I dont contest your right at all... I only speak about copper tape here... and I read it first on forums ...My only problem I think is I thank you for the idea...I thank you for these posts a last time and I go on with any tweaks to experiment with ...
Miracles in Audio, by luck, by good choices,by design or by tweaking...
I owned a low cost headphone for many years, the Fostex TH7B, first version( a new one close version exist Fostex TH7BK), semi-open headphone...I was never completely satisfied by any headphones I ever owned: Hifiman 400, Stax basic lamda, Stax 5 gold,Akg 340,Akg 701, beyerdynamic 990, and T150... Because in each of them with all their qualities I never listen to at the same times, a confortable headphone with natural timbre and voicing, with a good imaging and a realistic soundstage(not too close to my ears)...
For the last days I tweaked this Fostex, to damp his internal resonance I used sorbothane, I put some shungite stones at the exterior part of the cups and I use some Herkimer diamond in the interior pads( 3 at 120 degree) … Now this low cost headphones crush all my others if I sum all his qualities... For example his mids and voicing cannot beat the AKG 340 but among all my other headphones it is the best that is near that mids and it is more confortable, and with longer cable than the 340...His imaging is better and more realistic than the 340 etc etc...It is the same if I compare with the others...
His most important qualities is natural timbre and clear imaging,very precise pinned point accuracy and natural, so clear it crush for that ALL the others to dust...In the French audio circle the reviews were more than very positive few years ago...Diapason d’or and choc Classica...I am not the only one impressed buy the ratio quality/price... But remember that thesae reviewers dont tweak their headphone...The difference between before and after the tweaks are staggering...
Yes Miracles happens in Audio: cost is under 100 American dollars... Few years ago they cost me 50 bucks new... I never dreamed that I will go back to headphones...
I will enjoy your miracles stories of any kind ….My best to all...
For the last days I tweaked this Fostex, to damp his internal resonance I used sorbothane, I put some shungite stones at the exterior part of the cups and I use some Herkimer diamond in the interior pads( 3 at 120 degree) … Now this low cost headphones crush all my others if I sum all his qualities... For example his mids and voicing cannot beat the AKG 340 but among all my other headphones it is the best that is near that mids and it is more confortable, and with longer cable than the 340...His imaging is better and more realistic than the 340 etc etc...It is the same if I compare with the others...
His most important qualities is natural timbre and clear imaging,very precise pinned point accuracy and natural, so clear it crush for that ALL the others to dust...In the French audio circle the reviews were more than very positive few years ago...Diapason d’or and choc Classica...I am not the only one impressed buy the ratio quality/price... But remember that thesae reviewers dont tweak their headphone...The difference between before and after the tweaks are staggering...
Yes Miracles happens in Audio: cost is under 100 American dollars... Few years ago they cost me 50 bucks new... I never dreamed that I will go back to headphones...
I will enjoy your miracles stories of any kind ….My best to all...
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UPDATE about the connected stones grid: I re-made some connection that were no more so much well connected in my stones grid and gain a better imaging after.... Conclusion i will use other materials than instant Tac adhesive when i will recreate all my audio systen in another room in the months or years to come in a new house.... :) Remember that the idea of the connected stones grid comes to me one bit at a times on a 4 years period.... I improvise with cheap materials.... No one were silly so much to guide me with that idea at all.... Nobody i know never connected stones with cables and battery in parallells to an audio system and all across a room with Schumann generators... Some glimpse of the idea i pick in Bybee costly tweaks....Mine work marvel for peanuts tough.... :) |
If you go to the "explore" section, and clic on the mahgister systems you will see a photo and a description of my latest experiment, the "singing resonators" made with cheap metal buckets, one stone and some copper tape...The acoustical impact for the money invested on it is astounding...But this tweaks does not replace all other methods implicated in a room treatment... It is only a low cost miracles that add to the imaging way much for his cost...Feel free to try it... |
I just finished 8 sets of "singing resonators" made with tin metal buckets, and a tourmaline glued at the center+ a 5mm copper tape crossing the aperture of the bucket vertically... I must say that if I ever had the money I would go for brass...But the results with these cheap buckets is so astounding that I am totally amazed by the sound in my room...That boost the imaging in all 3 dimensions, in all position for my usual listening, be it nearfield,or normal distance... Most will mocking my " ingenuity" or ignorance, because yes, these resonance would normally they say destruct the integrity of the sound, but no, in actuality, not at all; I keep the natural timbre I had before adding to it an imaging now out of this world, like some company advertise for their costly resonator products that I would not be able to buy ever in my life... Lack of money sometimes engender creativity... For the student, or poor audiophile, all miracles are possible, be wise, read, study, experiment...It is more fun than buying with blind faith... |
Update about my "singing resonators": The "singing resonators" are of my own design with vertically glued copper tape and some amethyst or tourmaline in the center.( I had 9 sets now composed of 5 or 6 metal buckets small or bigger) And yes! with more money at hand I would have designed them with brass but they work marvel even made by the cheapest metal buckets bought in the one dollar store and I dont understand why, but my ears dont want to understand...This is by far the most impactful room treatment of my owns and the cost relation to the imaging sound quality is astounding...If you dont have money and dont fear ridicule try it, I have completely transform my room in sonic heaven with this last tweaks at almost no cost... This will deliver to your room the sonic qualities that only big money only is supposed to be able to afford...Dont thanks me...:) |
Using the "singing resonators" will ask for experiments in your room, to devise an optimal singing resonators grid ( I had 10 sets of 5 or 6 buckets of varied width and depth) by trying different height levels,and orientation in relation to your speakers and ears, and inclination angles between the roof and the ceiling...This is fun and very gratifying...My best to all... Important note: there is no degradation of the tonal quality of voices or instruments by using these resonators, if your room is already treated minimally or optimally for a natural timbre results, before introducing the singing resonators...The resonators will gives you a way to controls the imaging without degrading the timbre... At the question, why this is so ?, with cheap metal buckets, I have no answer, being like most of you incredulous, when something almost free of cost to make is giving great results, especially when the results relatively compare probably to highly costly products...My ears listen without any understanding and my brain is the brain of a normal guy without background in any acoustical engineering whatsoever... |
The secret that was revealed to me by my experiments is this one, then be careful beginners: Buy used very good amplifier, and speakers or new if you cannot makes otherwise, for sure my dac was bought new for example...And if you are not a beginner, probably each of your audio links are already very good, but you had never listen to them with their true potential revealed …. Then if you had already good link in your audio chain, clean and controls the vibration levels and the negative resonance, with methods that will suit you ( I use sandwiches plates of my own design)... Next clean the electrical grid of the house,after that of the room, and finally of the audio grid (dont forget the computer and routers etc)... by the methods that will suit you the best...( I use stones and crystals for that) Last but not least treat your room with a good balance and equilibrium between reflecting surface and materials and absorbing one... I used also Schumann generators(cheap one) and homemade Helmholtz resonators... And if you listen with speakers in near listening field or at regular distance, try my cheap "singing resonators" , easy to make and the imaging of your speakers will expand and you will be able to controls and directing it...The cost is ridiculous, the effect is like the advertisement about very costly products...I cannot promise you it is the same upgrading, I cannot compare, but it would be enough to say that it is night and day effects... They look so cheap that many will smile and back-off...But poor beginners will go on and will smile and thanks me.... My best to all... That it is not necessary to have money to afford HI-FI was my astounding personal discovery... |
I think that you are right G.K. but we must begins somewhere and addressing smaller problems than the " all external factors" that’s are at play in sound perception... And beginners like i was not long ago dont know this truth that is self evident for you about room-speakers-ears...And last but not least I can speak only of what I experiment myself to begins with like any beginners...My best to you... |
The greatest error we beginners commit is that we think that buying a more costly cables, or amplifier, or speakers or dac, will give us a truly better or TOTL HI-FI audio system... This is not always the case , especially when most of the times your stereo system is already good... Think about that: Your speakers and the room where they are posited are ONE system, And you will never listen music from speakers whithout room nor from a room without speakers, and your ears are immersed in the acoustic synergetic field constituted by this polarity speakers-room, and with this duality your ears form a resonating UNITY... Then treating the room is the ONLY absolute factor to elevate your gear and hearing capacity to his optimal potential...Nothing else will give you that, being a cable, or any new other electronic component... |
One remark about my "singing resonators" grid set of ten quincunx or sextile buckets... My room is relatively small 14 feet by 14 feet and 11 feet high...I think that in a way bigger room my metal buckets resonators would be less efficient to controls the imaging and way less spectacular if working...Then take that into account in the equation...My best to all... |
For sure you are right, my methods by ears, one set at times is not optimal without SPL meter...But it is an improvement anyway across the board... And by the way I have all the rest of my life to play with a SPL meter to optimize these location... It is fun to play whatsoever, with or without SPL meter, and except for the half-deaf it is simple to place them and look for a location where the sound improve anyway... It is like my design of Helmholtz resonator ,this homemade creation, without calculus ,created only with the help of the ears is not optimal either, but the results I had with only my ears, for designing and calculating the maths relation between aperture, volume, etc, is not optimal at all, but successful, because the improvement is evident for my ears...All are not physicist here or engineer...I want to keep all that simple and fun, and relatively efficient, and it is ok like that; if not, it will be too complicate for all normal people...All we are asking for is simple and fun experiments to improve...Mine are free, easy, fun and gives results...I will certainly use a SPL meter one day to improve my installation by the way... But it was not necessary to have one to begins playing... My best to you and to all... |
I read it....But I think faster than I can read.... And if the map is not the territory in classical physics where they are not continuously linked, in quantum physics, the maps and territory are in someway relatively continuously linked into one another and it is consciousness that seemingly separate them for being creative again... But at the end my consciousness prefer harmonious relations, what you called "dreamy", and you are more creative than I am it seems... My best... |
UpDATE Herkimer diamonds... Never put a golden plate near an amplifier...Some stones worlk miraculously good upstream an audio system, not so much on an amplifier ou near it.... Try on the cables not on the amplifier.... The sound will be too compressed... But many other stones has good effects on the noise....Tourmaline, Kambba jasper, agate... But Herkimer diamonds are very powerful to clean the sound... I now has added 5 little bags in all, 2 new today.... The effect is there increasing the clarity and imaging... Viva Herkimer dimamond.... |
Third UPDATE: THE HELMHOLTZ MECHANICAL EQUALIZER or H.M.E. Addition of bottles near the port hole of the speakers... My last idea comes directly from the last acoustical research ,but i am proud to be the sole creator of my design... We listen not to frequency like assume those who use an electronic equalizer and a mic with a tested response frequency for a PRECISE ARTIFICIAL location... We listen to some multi dimensional complex different wavefronts, a bunch of frequencies,( like the voice timbre of a singer) coming from the tweeter, the bass drivers, and from early and late reflections in a PRECISE NATURAL time frame... I used this fact creating my H.M.E. (Helmoltz mechanical equalizer): imagine a snake with head and tail... The HEAD begins a few centimeters from the tweeter of one of my speakers with 2 pipes near the tweeter and 2 bottles near the port hole; then going to my left on the first reflection point with 6 pipes; then to my rear with the MAIN BODY of the snake, 8 pipes ,one 8 feet high; and then goes to the second reflection point to my right, with 6 pipes and finally ends at the TAIL, with 3 pipes near the bass driver of this speaker, with one bottle near the port hole....Asymmetric distribution of pipes and bottles and differences between them are very important at the head and tail.... Result: "listener envelopment" factor LEV and "source width" factor ASW and imaging complete optimization... This means my 50 dollars speakers sound like almost the best speakers there is to my ears, with ONLY their design normal limitations and no more limitations from the room now... In the opposite, my room enhanced the speakers design to MY EARS (not to a mic from a mic)... It seems oldhvymec were the only one to catch something about my idea with his comparison with silent organ pipe acoustical tuning in church.... This was half of my idea.... The other half is related to the way the ears/brain recreate the FIRST frontwave sound coming from the 2 speakers early and late reflections for each ear.... The gist of my idea is to control these different reflections with a qualitative control different for each ear...This is the powerful HEAD and TAIL of my acoustical snake or H.M.E. we can also reduce his name to a true "Helmholtz grid".... Speakers were not there tough at the time of Helmholtz.... Acoustic is so powerful that it is the main factor in audiophile perceived experience... The failure to understand this push the market obsession with upgrading electronics parts....There is less difference between each electronics parts at ANY cost than between electronic part in a bad or in a good room... PERIOD.... The tragedy is : it is not all people who can experience it in a dedicated room....The rest is audiophile blind history obsession with all that matter the less, cables,analog/digital,tubes/S.S. etc, at the cost of which really matter the most: acoustic.... NO ONE listen to his speakers only...We listen to our room.... The direct waves coming from the speakers are perceived, even in near listening field, MIXED with the reflections.... In my own room in one second the waves cross the room 80 times horizontally and more vertically ( my room is 13 feet square 8 1/2 feet high)....My ear/brain use a 80 milliseconds window, in which already many crossings(direct,early and late reflections) will be analyzed internally from EACH one ear... When people think that near listening field nullify the powerful impediment of their non controlled room this is completely false....Any change in my own acoustical settings were detected by me in nearfield listening or regular one position alike... The addition of these 2 bottles to my left speaker port hole and one bottle to the right speaker enhance greatly the 3-d imaging.... I am now finished with the H.M.E. 😊 |
i just post this short explanation on an other thread about audiophiles...I guess i am one..... :) « I always liked to play the same files i like the most....But i also use some files to rightfully assess the state of my audio system....My controls embeddings methods are complex and with my listening i can detect if there is some defects, or something amiss among all the hundreds of modifications implemented .... It is impossible to verify all of them one by one each day..... :)» I just realized where i was on the scale of madmess....But trust me with these hundred of modifications my audio system is good and best than most think.... :) Viva madness! |
We are humans and we think something has more value if many people pay something more than peanuts for it.... I am human too and I dream to be able to purchase many audiophile products I cannot afford... My "golden" Shungite plate cost peanuts and it works....But for sure even me I wanted to try the costly audiophile products one day, because it is costlier and despite me, I think that these products must be way better than my poor tweaks...Except for a miracle in my bank account this will never be possible... But if you have already musical sound quality even at a low level experience and at low cost, you already enjoyed the music and can forget about the sound quality at least....... I thank God for this inspiration, i at least have a way better musical experience now.... And it is also rewarding to create, invent, experiment, and play, at least as much as only buying finished product designed by others, then I am grateful.... |
This idea comes to me when I tought about the possibility of shielding the shungite plate on one side to improve the effect of the shungite in one direction of the magnetic field....It seems to works...I am no scientist and I apologize for my speculation.... The important fact is that works and in comparison with some audiophile products cost peanuts... The improvement is there and in the same audible range than my best other tweaks...Imaging and naturalness of the instrument timbre is more, way more there... Is this tweak comparable for his positive effect to other audiophile more costly products? I dont know but for few bucks for each plate, the improvement is astounding, and astounding because very audible immediately, no other words come to me... My best to all.... |
I forget to mention that my "golden" shungite plate improves also the details and the higher frequencies, not only imaging, and natural timbre....It is only some hours that I listen to my music after that tweaks I created during the last night and I am flabbergasted... There is indeed plenty of cymbals and percussion in this excellent cd of Freddie Hubbard " First light", the mastering of sound in this pieces are very good...And it is easy to remember that the last listening session before my tweaks was never so detailed indeed... |
It seems that only me lives with low cost audio miracles after all....Because nobody report anything new except me... :) My last discovery is astounding because of the improvement and the low cost... My last improvement is with my "golden" shungite plate and tiles... You take a shungite plate and you put on one side some thin auto-adhesive copper tape, and you put the plate with the adhesive out of the surface of the electrical panel, or router-modem, or cable, or unused duplex wall plugs etc and miracles happens: more imaging and more natural sound....This is low cost and simply magical...Enjoy it, it is almost free...(except the 10 dollars plate shungite 250 grams) For a cable or a unused duplex plug you can buy a shungite cell phone thinner and smaller plate for a few bucks... I have 5 shungite plates of 250 grams on my electrical central panel in my basement, the shungite plate improve the sound way better with the copper tape on the side exterior to the applied surface... You can see a photo of my modem-router with a golden shungite plate on it in my private system section here... Enjoy the miracle... Important note: Shungite "golden" plate work best in all location except directly on the dac and amplifier, better to place them on connectors, power supplies, power conditioner, router-modem, electrical panel ,unused wall duplex plugs etc... |
I think the SANDWICHES of shungite ( which is made of 60% of fullerene molecules like graphene for the lowest grade shungite and almost 90 % for the "noble" grade shungite) and the shielding copper, act in someway improving the direction of flow of information in the electro-magnetic field, making it more sensible because of a better oriented flux of the complex information , because making more coherent the electrons flowing rivers.... I say all that because science recently discover the power of graphene in this way... Please I am only speculating about the effect that my "golden" plates are making then I apologize for the rant.... |
I must correct my precedent post shungite is made of 60%/90% of carbon with traces of fullerene...The graphene is carbon made also... This mix of copper on one of the external face and carbon based materials inside seems to be the secret of my "golden" shungite plates... After many hours of listenings and some added plates small in my grid of stones and big on the router and Central electrical panel, the improvement is unmistakable...I also added some little shungite pyramids with copper on the 4 faces on power chord and on some of my Shumann generators... By the way, professional sceptics prohibited for this post here, the shungite pyramids (4) are in my refrigerator for one year now, and the fruits and vegetables are on a longer duration and keep fresh longer, and the refrigerator works better....The mother of my wife bought the same brussell sprouts than my wife attached to their natural stalk, same day together and same place.... His stalk were wasted and yellow after few days, my wife stalk of brussels sprouts were edible for a month( I know that because I eat the few last after a month and they were delicious)... After that I offer her some shungite pyramids and she observe a great improvement in his own refrigerator... Shungite is not only good if use correctly in audio it seems...Ok sceptics are welcome now for the next posts … :) |
I am listening the most original and musically rewarding files of Acoustical guitar I ever been acquainted to...This guitar sound like an orchestra... If you can hear distinctly the accurate tonal diversity of these sounds here, that comes and go like communicating galaxies of their own, tough united in one wave encompassing them, then your audio system begins to be good indeed...Mine is, I think so now...My last tweak is more efficient than I would fathom it will ever be ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X30AroojjFk But remember that this will be better on a cd, a vinyl, or a 24 bits files, or even a 16 bits flac one for the test and pleasure.... |
UPDATE Herkimer diamonds. I now added 300 hundred micro or small H.D. in 6 little bags on top of my Sansui transformer amplifier with some other stones that were already there for 2 years : Black Tourmaline, Jasper of kambaba, Madagascar banded agate.... The results are very good with an expanded imaging and clarity...The total cost of all H.D. are around 50 dollars... People paying one thousand dollars for a cable that gives that will be pleased, imagine how i feel ? :) |
After 2 days of listening music, I can say that the "golden " plates act like lifting a veil that was muddying the sound... For me the noise floor of the electrical grid of the house is key to audio....The 5 golden plates I put on the central electrical panel with other stones already there, and at other locations in the house grid, are the most important means to controls in some way and filtering it in a passive way the general noise levels... Any electronic component introduce some trade-off noise, then any power conditioner for example filters the noise but with a price to pay: the price is the noise these electronic components introduce by themselves... Stones dont had electronic entrails... But keep in mind that these results are easily audible because I had already heavily modify the system and the room ... |
I resent my lack of business talent.... :) Take this as a joke, but I am serious also a little bit...If I had covered the whole plate with some resin, called that Magical "golden plate", and sell them 100 bucks each, I think I would have make some couple of thousand dollars profit … loll All of you, you are lucky, I am a null in money making, takes my idea, try it and report here... It is free and only cost the time to write some impression for feedback...My best... Important note: You must put the plates anywhere but not directly on the main gear, amp, dac, or amplifier ( but you can try it behind the speakers cables and electronics)...On the electrical grid and connectors, and on power conditioner , unused wall duplex plugs, router-modem, computer bank connector, computer outpost etc |
People resent the public ridicule, I am like some others for that even if I look like someone who dont cares... I will reveal one of my tweaks that it is useful to try only when your system is already very good an already optimally soundwise sensible, because the effect is there audible, but not so much in most of out of the box, uncleaned, and uncontroled audio systems and audio grids...... Buy 2 Himalayan salt lamps put them near the speakers and you will observe a more sparkling living sound... The light is beautiful, when the room is dark... The cost low, and the sound more gorgeous... Enjoy and if you are a lazy credulous self proclaimed " scientist" spare me sarcasms....If you are curious and investigative mind try it...Nothing to lost at worst case scenario only magnificent light at the end... |
Verify if they are genuine shungite because some ebayers sell fake shungite...The true source of shungite is a deposit in Russia-Ukraine not in US or Spain...If they are cell phone thin plate they are probably guenine shungite… The profit on that is to low to fake them I think...But beware for the bigger chunk... |
My last discovery of shungite "golden " plates is an astounding improvement...Many of these plates are on the main electrical house breakers panel... But there is shungite plate big or smaller, and also shungite thin cell plate at other locations and cube or pyramidal shungite...It is very important to tape the copper tape on the 4 faces of the pyramid for example to let nude side only, the basis, on top of my 2 Shumann Generator for example, or the golden face of the thin plate glued on top of some end plug power cable...There is more photos illustrating that on "my system" section... This gives a more refine effect from the cleaning or filtering shungite... |
My 2 golden pyramis on top of the S.G. gives a new clarity, unheard of in my system... I am a bit surprize each time... At the beginning I treat 5 shungite plates with the copper tape and they were put at the same location were they was already before the copper taping, on top, or glued to the side panel of the main breakers panel... The effect immediately audible was comparable with these 2 shungite pyramids+copper on top of the 2 S.G. ( had 4 usb S.G. and 2 powered by 2 supplies)… How in the world 2 pyramids of shungite+copper suspended on top of an S.G. antenna can give so much better clarity then imaging? ( By the way I dont think that the fact that they are pyramids or cube or plate change something, this is not the form that act but the shungite mass carbon around 60% in the less pure shungite, 90% in the "elite" variety + plus the shielding effect of the copper tape that gives somewhat an orientation to the "field stone effect" metaphorically speaking, it is not science by any means) Some other stones were also there near the S.G. and cabled to be linked to my entire grid stones, is this the reason ? I dont know and I dont want to disconnect all my grid of stones to know...But I think without any link the "golden" shungite plate works on the central breaker panel on the modem-router and on some other interconnect or unused duplex plug, then the power of the stones is there, linked to the other stones or not.... I think the fact they are linked improve the effect that is already there that’s all... A year ago I already used many varieties of stones at this time they were not cabled and linked together with thin phone cable and the effect of these stones was there however, audible for me... It gives me the idea to link them after I observe that 2 or 3 stones act synergetiscally, each stone acting in a way, positive or negative, or more neutral, a way that is modified if I added other variety near the first... After that I cabled them with some little batteries and observe an improvement in their effect...The rest is my "foolish" history... :) |
I am almost sure they are guenine, no profit possible in faking that and most of the shungite selling is these cell phone protecting stones, they are innumerable in the us and anywhere... ….The fake one are bigger chunk, or the "noble or elite " variety ...For big plate it is better to order from Russia... |
Let them not touch the horizontal antenna of the S.G. and cover the 4 faces of the pyramid with copper tape....If they are cube let the basis nude also...If they are cell phone thin plate cover one side with copper tape... I am very curious of your impression, if you can make an exception for me and saying what you think.... :) My best...And thanks in advance for your report... |
I must say that in my heavily modified audio system the audible effect of gluing the copper on top of the shungite plate is immediately audible anywhere I put them, even on top of the S.G. or the router-modem etc... I think that this golden tape of copper act like giving an orientation to the "field filtering effect" of the shungite….I speak here "metaphorically" to describe and communicate what I think about that, this not science neither an explanation by any means nor in any way... There is another metaphorical explanation : It is not only placebo effect, but I think my wife gives me LSD.... :) |
geoffkait if you had bought thin cell phone plates, place the side with copper tape added (instead of the product adhesive)"up", the nude shungite side " down" on the 4 capacitors near the usb connection of the S. G. … Try that … My best to you... I think it is the best spot, but I need to try under the antenna, taping it at the center, the shungite side up and the copper side down... Perhaps better I dont know yet...The placement I suggest first is effective then I had not think about any another possibility before this post … try the 2 and report if you want...... |
Like someone said: " I dont recognize my old files nor my old cds" The effect of the "golden plate" are cumulative, with each one I add...It is spectacular, not because the effect is spectacular(except for the 5 plates on the breakers panels) but because it is audible and cumulative, difficult to understand with the ears why the sound is beginning to be always more "natural"... Then I ordered 4 thin cell plates for my other 3 Shumann Generator and 2 other interconnect... Plus a shungite chunk for the refrigerator and for fresher content or longer conservation... :) I had already 4 chunks for the fruits, cheese, and vegetables section, this one will be for the big central section ...By the way the shungite for the refrigerator had no copper tape on it... Sceptics-pro can smile with me, smiling together is a good thing, nevermind the reason why, if we stay mute... |
A good place to put my "golden" plate, for those who read this post and listen music from a computer external disk storing their files, is on top of the usb connection coming in the computer from the disk, the copper tape side always "up" the shungite side always down on the usb connector.... For the price and for me amazing S.Q. ... |