Minimum Sound Bar Height


My wife and I just moved into a summer home and I want to set up a 5.1 system for watching movies.  A top-quality system is out of the question for this place; reasonably high-quality consumer-grade level (preferably, used) will have to do.  I plan to hang the TV over the fireplace using a MantelMount, which also hangs the center channel speaker.  Since the bottom of the speaker must clear the top of the mantle, I need its dimensions before I can mount the TV on the wall.

A low profile speaker would have some advantages but I question whether small drivers can produce even reasonably good quality.  I'd love to hear opinions re how tall a sound bar needs to be to produce decent sound, or if this line of reasoning is completely wrong.  (The mains will be a pair of old Magneplanar MG-I after I re-cement the tweeter voice coils, which occasionally rattle a bit.)  Does anyone have a specific suggestion for a center channel speaker that I might find used?
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I bought this Klipsch R30C, used on eBay (returns accepted)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/304932313885?epid=23056697517&hash=item46ff61db1d:g:FNwAAOSwWE5jUZ5a&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAAwKkZdlJ%2BYUZUaYewnxFCQ780D8cxe%2BF3h2LYrxz0Es1ueNyVw1KKLycdHmF503KfGQhJAHS%2BzkViCo5R7fZ2KVrSJTZzO0er9Zbszfwi%2F6YWohq7cQLAuyRALhpIFr3V6gW9VYcxZhYJv6g2kJd4KcWvZrtXuG6Iq3WQXWz3uxmNIuOn6UzQorng3SP%2FyoTLsprN7q1yqVKWB5Q54NguhSHPuxyLcQNNNT9wKUtTfEO4wI4mvZSJ0ppB44e378mbsw%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR87nk_KUYg

It has no rear port which is good for center speaker

5" high; 26" wide, 7" deep. Leave a little height clearance in case you want to change.

It is very efficient, make sure your AVR has speaker level adjustments so you can cut it's level to match your FL and FR

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Height of Monitor: if too high, you or your mate will get a stiff neck looking up.

Donna is 5' tall, I am 6' tall. We used stacks of books under the monitor to find a height that worked for both of us. 

Better coordinate the depth of the Mantle and the various positioning of the moving parts of the movable bracket.

You might need to add some blocks behind the bracket to push the monitor/brackets out to make it work.

Buy the most heavy duty bracket, I put a common one in our Apt in NYC. Pulls out a bit, then angle it sideways to sofa. Straight when pushed against the wall, pull it out, it’s not quite level.

The bracket holes on the monitor are centered, but the weight of the monitor is not 50/50, so the off center weight of the monitor and the slightly flexible pivot joints of the bracket when extended let the right side sag a little bit. Many don't notice, I am an Interior Architect, have a good eye for level, pi---s me off!

And if monitor lowers, you need more clearance down to top of center.

I used this Bose Center Speaker for years, sounds surprisingly good, smaller, less clearance needed below monitor

https://www.ebay.com/itm/204322410364?hash=item2f92908f7c%3Ag%3AHssAAOSwT-9kTydr&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA0GX7EsWtaIWLfeApt2rX2eG47k8OkrmPj2ZptsVEFls6VHDZ3%2FXQVF0A6q05sGdOwTvs0DWu2WH0Vz%2BMfUDUAprz36h5ysFFQ8fd6qrb4mDaD2%2Fc4rvlHQSAJk8aR3nyxYGWAD3nNaWI3uzz1RcflvAuooPe%2F4NZ3FgGkCiO3w5PokfYaJ%2FS3MUjgqY8zon1yRHjHO7kaAMooR7zUucNLIYKGFwOyymc4CkTyga2AfRPbfm%2FWJw91%2F0RnRROUEzAh68rfp9wBN8a8Ulg0LLhQ6I%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR5rjnqeVYg&LH_BIN=1

or center speaker lower, angled up as someone suggested.

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Has anyone used the TV’s speakers for Center Channel?

 

 

Sounds like it's going to work.

I would be tempted to build a box full width of the TV, and put the center channel speaker in that full width box, Then you have many locations in the back to attach the box.

IF you are tempted by any used speaker, i.e. that little bose, or the Klipsch for instance. you can search for ’buy it now’ and ’free returns’

order it now, try it, keep it, work with it’s size, or return it

https://www.ebay.com/itm/145109792891?hash=item21c937b87b%3Ag%3AJvcAAOSwG0hkdNmT&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA0BWnYjoMqlvNt9YQT4mAzeLzjGr5DmesxxBv%2BJvYWJVUj22mBALGS6bQlrriHc9Is%2B0LaqEG8SBUgvbd%2BkDYp6A%2BE2%2BzETSeFlYEk9O0guDctUlmvnLZ0zgStiHYPGlekwFTwAdEz7DEnmoi7TKADsB5hrQB%2F0nC3vsjQ13S1SQoTLlm8KiDDIT84dBxtfWIlCoO8F7Ch%2BEi3sDSWMiOGPGzDi%2BOyz08d0yMNsFQAft%2FFkChXfyCidbi8F7vPsOvfcFlCY8cbUr9G%2FG8e6hJZOY%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR_7zxfaVYg&LH_BIN=1&LH_FR=1

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/266245737081?epid=10025586026&hash=item3dfd7b8a79%3Ag%3ATBQAAOSwW-FkU%7EzV&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAAwF33UK%2B7q4EuCugVQQYIvKMQXNIDZzK05n7ifgcKW7dOSE4D1O710Fa%2F%2Br2nFfZeeUCO84%2B6Z5C%2Fuf4D%2FZShs8tD7KsE4bQ0pMzcUcPb4RpCU2LW4wCK37%2Bs8UtjbbZNt0bFVC9caITmgIdGrN8ZVGz0HF036qo%2B8DM5h2p%2BhG%2BeDwlFXacsEZGrzFIcztEILfftj5BtmDrk74Uds8WK1CMCYO8Mof3bVcMzYwPS0bixgpLrJwLRgm8CXKCjYur5zg%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR7KRoveVYg&LH_BIN=1&LH_FR=1

As I mentioned, the little Bose sounds surprisingly good, however, notice the top has some slots for sound dispersion, which negates boxing it in too tightly. That was the primary reason I changed to the Klipsch, to have it under a glass shelf below the TV, and no rear ports

It’s a lousy photo, but the 3rd photo shows my HT setup

https://www.audiogon.com/systems/9511?_gl=1*1h50sbc*_ga*MTI4MDg3OTI2OC4xNjc0NDkxNTU3*_ga_SR0PMVVEN1*MTY4NjU2NTg4Mi40NTUuMS4xNjg2NTcxNDY5LjUuMC4w

I modified a tall unit, then built a C shaped riser of matching wood, placed a slab of glass on the riser, the TV on the glass.

Above the TV is a piece of art my brother made, not a speaker.

That photo is 'beyond lousy'.

I do not find mine bright.

The Klipsch Center Speaker is VERY efficient. Unless you tell your AVR to cut it’s volume relative to the front speakers, it will be dominant, call too much attention to itself.

I would say people are translating ’Prominent’ to ’Bright’.

And, the front speakers may not be toed in enough, thus the highs (narrowest dispersion) of the front speakers may be diminished.

I bought these DBX-Soundfield 100’s new WAY back when from 6th Ave Electronics original store

https://www.hifi-classic.net/review/dbx-soundfield-100-135.html

They are specifically designed to produce wide imaging, (left/center/right of a sofa for instance) and contain 3 tweeters to compensate for high’s narrow dispersion.

Left speaker is angled more to right position, but left person is closest to the left speaker. Thus direct dispersion from right mixed with closer proximity of left gives darn good imaging, Opposite side opposite.

Main music System: I use this alternate toe-in when I have a friend over, both of us off-center. Left aimed at right person, right aimed at left person.

Very decent imaging is produced for both positions. Many of my friends systems, if off center, lousy or no imaging.

 

did you mean 1 R34CB (center) and 4 R41MB?

My Sub, it has two methods of level adjustment

1. get it basically sounding good, not too strong, using it's volume control

2. next, via the AVR menu, adjust all speaker's levels.

3. Crossover: Using those Klipsch R41MB, I would cross over at the highest frequency setting, get the levels balanced, then a week later mess about to see if you hear any benefit from a lower frequency crossover