The problem with his method/s is really not the equipment but the (time factor) involved in doing it right. He seems to be stretched so thin, I don't think he really has the time to clean records accurately & effectively. Also, the time factor really interferes with his reviewing IMO.
I've found my best way and that's all that matters to me. |
I've got the time, I've got the will, I've got the collection, I've got the (personal) experience,I've got nothing to lose. (Except maybe that most here seem to want to have other's experience as their reference! I have my own experience as my reference!! |
I have no personal relationship with anyone one on this or any other site. |
Getting back to Rwd's original post, MF is mostly reporting on individual record cleaners. He isn't taking a thoughtful amount of time to think through a "best process". Judging his record cleaning process for expediency/efficiency, I'd say he's basically right. (This goes to the heart of my post that he's really over stretched himself). He's way too much involved in everything analog to give us the "ONE BEST" way to clean vinyl. (I watched a video of him setting up a system and comparing the Buffalo Springfield lp, (different pressings). I believe it was then or in another video, regarding adjusting VTA for different records, he said something to the effect of "I do have a life", this meant that he didn't worry about this aspect any longer. This coming from the man that makes such a big deal about SRA. Come on!
We are better served by our own conclusions in the end.
The first and only "best way" is to be able to give time and (enjoy this) time cleaning your records. Without this, everything else is not very accurate. I figured out long ago that, in order to be involved in analog, in any serious way, you have to be able to put in the time, the expense and have the ability to come to your own best conclusions (while observing what others do) in order to have your "best way" to do anything. |
Whart: Since you brought it up, can you explain from your own experience, (your) reasoning for (your obvious different conclusion) to the Black Keys "El Camino" , original pressing vs the deluxe pressing and how you seem to arrive at your this conclusion given the state of our hobby/analog/digital vs what's currently out there for our consumsion? |
Charivey: With all due respect, IMO, that was a thoughtless comment!...
... you're obviously relenting to another's thoughts on what you should be hearing.... |
Whart: Also remember that Black Keys is a two person band! Which kind of goes towards Frogman's comment, I presume. |
It's one thing to talk the talk, another to walk the walk. I've walked the walked, all by myself and am armed and ready to defend my positions on my own, thank you very much! |
It's one thing to talk the talk, another to walk the walk. I've walked the walked, all by myself and am armed and ready to defend my positions on my own, thank you very much! |
Whart and others: In spite of my knowing, very well, the sonic differences between "Revovler" (The Beatles MONO Box) and Sgt. Peppers or MMT, and now '"Rubber Soul", (I just listened to RS vs Revolver, again). All I know is what I hear, not what others want me to hear. The difference is obvious, Revolver is a notch below the others I mentioned in overall sonic terms and in soundstage "fullness and realism"! No question about it! |
Past reviewer's wrong doings':
Classic Records:
Their rave reviews of these:
(1) "CSN"
(2) "Who's Next"
(3) "Abraxsas" (the last interation on MFSL) haven't heard the 45 rpm.
Should I proceed?
Some people ARE paying attention. |
In the midst of all of this, I offer to you, a recommendation: (Hopefully it's still available on vinyl)
The Last Shadow Puppets " The Age Of The Understatement"
highly recommended |
Isochriism: Again, everyone is really not understanding the point I keep making.
Whart: Since you chose to say that another member gave me a pass on the "El Camino", I'd like to hear your review of the lp that started it all... Ric Ocasek "This Side Of Paradise".
Also, I've made several posts earlier that are not available to be read yet. |
Frankly, I'd love to have MF over for at least one day, just to listen. My only concern/question would be in the nature of "best sounding pressings". That's all. I really think he'd be impressed. |
Whart: If by your comment earlier, RE: "Frogman did me a soild", should mean I need another member to defend me in any way, that needs to be squashed right now! It seems to me, that when I ask the important/relevant questions, there's no response. Let's end that crap right now! |
Whart: Please explain for me, why you just stated, (something like) "Frogman gave you a solid",...
I really feel that statements such as these, without "personal backup" of those statements, serve only to "stir the pot" rather than reach a valid conclusion! Would you not agree? Kind of reminds me of Qdrones comments? Hey? |
I tried to make a difference, no one wants to listen. Good luck to all of you!
I'm becoming tired of trying. |
Why? ... do you seem to give MF "slack"??
He is, suppose to be the "guy" that should bring us the latest and greatest? He's been wrong, SO many times.
I thank him for his passion, his dedication and his ongoing motivation in bringing us all things analog!!!
He is stretched too thin , however.
Why is it not time to discover things for ourselves???
Wow! His latest review of Dave & Phil's "Common Ground"!
He was wrong, so wrong! (again) |
Whart: To begin with, I made my latest comment in advance of when "Grooves" comment posted, so as usual, Audiogon's timimg is off.
I am a proponent of discovering, all things analog for one's-self. I really didn't find that Grooves comments in any way differentiated with mine. Regarding Frogman doing me a "solid", you'll have to address your inference to him. I do think he makes a valid point that otherwise is forgotten. This, in no way affects/affected my decision to keep 'El Camino" on my list of Extraordinary Recordings On Vinyl". (deluxe version). In fact, if you'd had an issue with it, I would have been glad to address that at the appropriate time. Since you waited until a later/different post to bring it up, I must assume there is another issue on your mind.
I have wondered and find it somewhat odd that when I post anything recently that Qdrone responds to, you are there with a response. Any connection?
Since you brought up Frogman's (solid), I feel that I have a precident as well.
I think a major point to bring up here is Grooves recommendation of ( The Beatles Mono Box, "Revolver". I find it to be the lesser, sonically of say SGT. Peppers, or MMT. Of coarse I don't have a mono cart. The soundstage is closed in by comparison. We surely can discuss it further. If then I'm pointed out to be wrong, I'll ADMIT IT! ( unlike others here). |
FWIW: I see MF as a veteran of analog who, undoubtably knows most about those issues and about pressing issues that I will ever achieve! As I said, I respect him, his journey , and his thought process... does this mean that I should "bow down" to his every conclusion? Hell no!
All I'm saying and all I've said is that "one" should thoughtfully figure these things out for themselves , all the while taking the reviewer's thoughts into consideration. I think some or maybe even most, take the reviewer's comments a "gospel" and disregard the majority of us out here putting in our time, our expense, our blood, sweat & tears into this hobby, only to ultimately find a different conclusion from the "Gods" of audio. |
Fjm04: Point taken .. but that hasn't been my point all along. It still seems most are having a conflict with the reviews that they (reviewers) want us to depend upon regarding what they are hearing (In their state-of-the art systems) vs, what I hear. There will/can be, ultimately, major component purchasing decisions that may follow? Correct me if I'm wrong?... did you just say 18 years ago?
Still, Did I just read how Fjn04 states he is now, 18 years later, up to date, or even what his current reference regarding the two lps he pointed out from 18 years ago sounds now?. Yes, I can even now, 18 years or not, let anyone who graces my listening room hear a difference between a well recorded 33 rpm lp vs the same well recorded 45 rpm lp. (I just stated that recently in another thread, regarding the Holly Cole "Romantically Helpless" lp on Groovenote, 33rpm vs 45 rpm). I don't need a life long analog expert to point this out to me! I can find this out for myself! Which has been 'my point" all aong people! |
