At the risk of ruining everyone's fun it seems to me that the desired outcomes for this set of measurements could easily be overcome by the simple expedient of a simple listen. If our ears can discern some sort of smearing or loss of detail, then the matter is resolved. If not, then it does not matter. One word of caution. The OP mentioned lubrication via beer, and the music of Mahler. I see no problem with the lube, but too much Mahler could obfuscate the veracity of the outcome. ;-)
Measuring "Stylus Drag" with the RPM Speed and Wow app
33.33>33.40
I recently spent what I considered way too much for a Lenco L75S. But I was tired of waiting to score a bargain; and I figured life is too short; and a nice unit came available on my favourite audio website. Sold!
I won’t start another thread about how the idler drive system is the absolute best turntable system; instead I will just report that even before improvements (DIY plinth, upgraded arm), the stock Lenco sounds very fine indeed. Talk about speed stability! Talk about defined beginnings of musical attacks! Talk about lack of smear (Did I mention speed stability?)!
And it has got me thinking: maybe there is something to this concept of the importance of "stylus drag", and its effect on vinyl playback.
Which also got me thinking: why don’t we start measuring this phenomenon (seeing as it is one of the biggest issues a turntable has to deal with - after speed stability).
So then I thought, "why not use the RPM Speed and Wow app, and take readings with a record playing, and without?
And have done just that. I understand the app is considered "not accurate", but I would assume it is "consistently not accurate", or thereabouts (can anyone with more technical knowledge of a phone’s gyroscope corroborate or deny this?). And since it is a RELATIVE PROPORTION we are looking for, this app might just work for all of us to create a database of "Stylus Drag" relative measurements for all of our turntables.
With a chosen track, my Lenco’s readings are:
Playing a record: 33.33 (0.03% W & F)
Not playing a record: 33.40 (0.04% W & F)
The difference on a Lenco is 0.07. I call this figure the "Stylus Drag Coefficient Number".
Next I will do readings for a Mission 775S, a Thorens TD160, and a Technics SL-D2.
Oh, the fun that can be had after rehearsing Mahler’s 9th Symphony, and drinking a couple of beers while listening to vinyl on a new-to-you turntable!
I recently spent what I considered way too much for a Lenco L75S. But I was tired of waiting to score a bargain; and I figured life is too short; and a nice unit came available on my favourite audio website. Sold!
I won’t start another thread about how the idler drive system is the absolute best turntable system; instead I will just report that even before improvements (DIY plinth, upgraded arm), the stock Lenco sounds very fine indeed. Talk about speed stability! Talk about defined beginnings of musical attacks! Talk about lack of smear (Did I mention speed stability?)!
And it has got me thinking: maybe there is something to this concept of the importance of "stylus drag", and its effect on vinyl playback.
Which also got me thinking: why don’t we start measuring this phenomenon (seeing as it is one of the biggest issues a turntable has to deal with - after speed stability).
So then I thought, "why not use the RPM Speed and Wow app, and take readings with a record playing, and without?
And have done just that. I understand the app is considered "not accurate", but I would assume it is "consistently not accurate", or thereabouts (can anyone with more technical knowledge of a phone’s gyroscope corroborate or deny this?). And since it is a RELATIVE PROPORTION we are looking for, this app might just work for all of us to create a database of "Stylus Drag" relative measurements for all of our turntables.
With a chosen track, my Lenco’s readings are:
Playing a record: 33.33 (0.03% W & F)
Not playing a record: 33.40 (0.04% W & F)
The difference on a Lenco is 0.07. I call this figure the "Stylus Drag Coefficient Number".
Next I will do readings for a Mission 775S, a Thorens TD160, and a Technics SL-D2.
Oh, the fun that can be had after rehearsing Mahler’s 9th Symphony, and drinking a couple of beers while listening to vinyl on a new-to-you turntable!