McIntosh 252 or 275 for my B&W 804s?


I currently run a Rotel setup for my 804s, in stereo. I'm looking into upgrading amp OR preamp first. I've been reading about McIntosh & B&W and like what I see.

I was at my dealer a couple days ago and heard 804s driven by an MC275, C220, and a Mac CD player. I was just blown away. Granted, every component was several setps up from my current Rotel setup, but boy did it sound different!! Unfortunately they didn't have a 252 or 402 for me to audition, so would appreciate your input:
- Thoughts of 275 vs. 252 with 804s?
- Thoughts of 252 vs. 402? I've seen people commenting they didn't hear a whole lot of difference, yet the 402 is supposed to have 6 dB lower floor noise level. Plus the added control. I sure don't need more than 200W in terms of volume.
- If going for McIntosh, should I upgrade pre or amp first?
- Could use all solid state, all tubes, or mix. Thoughts about mixing tubes and solid state?

I'm back home listening to my system...I do miss what I heard these speakers do!!

Thanks in advance for the input!
lewinskih01

Showing 1 response by horseface

Well,
I just took the plunge about a month ago and picked up a MC 275 V. I first upgraded from all solid state to a Modwright SWL 9.0 tubed linestage and a Mark Levinson 23.5. That was a huge change ... probably the biggest for me. I like the control of the SS amp and the smoothness of the tube front end. It really took the fatigue out of the all solid state system I was running. Again, this is just my experience – I don’t meant to knock anyone in love with their “all solid state setup” … no two systems are the same after all.
I am running much smaller Aerial 6 speakers, so I don’t think it's a 1 to 1 with your 804’s but I thought I would throw in my two cents. I was so very happy with the Modwright/Levinson combo that I purchased a Levinson 360S DAC and a No. 37 transport. I was all ready to call it good when I heard the Mac 275 and Dynaudio Confidence C2's. Lucky for me I am very pleased with my current setup and I'm at a point where I don’t feel like jumping every time I hear a truly spectacular setup. “Somehow they never quite sound that good when you em home” I have my two channel setup in a converted bedroom (12 X 15) - so the speakers don’t need to work real hard to reach a desirable level. The Aerial 6’s are a fantastic little speaker but nothing like the Dynaudio to my ears. One look at the price tag on the C2’s and I could safely pass them off for the distant future but the Mac tube amp was do-able. I really got the itch to try a MC-275 after that demo. It didn’t take long before I pulled the trigger and one arrived at my doorstep.
The Mac tube amp was really quite fantastic – the demo ran for over an hour and I was significantly impressed with what it “could” do. I had purchased a few tube amps over the years and really liked the midrange frequencies in particularly the vocal range so I was hoping for the same magic as the demo. To make a long story short … I wasn’t all that blown away. It didn’t have the same effect as the tube front end and SS amp. I am now looking to try a SS front end and the MC-275 just to see what effect it will have. Just for kicks mind you … My guess is my speakers just don’t fit well with the combo. I imagine the B&W 804’s and certainly the 802’s would benefit greatly from the 275’s smoothness. I guess my system has enough of what I like not to have as much of an effect on me. I will give it a few more weeks and then switch back. I will go back and forth through the summer and probably park the 275 in the fall. I guess ultimately I might go with the Dynaudio’s and two MC-275’s but by then it might be B&W 800’s or Aerial 9’s.
As for advice – I gotta go with the tube linestage first … try the Mac pre with the Rotel amp. I’d just about bet it will reduce some of the fatigue from the all solid state setup. You might just fall in love. I made the mistake of demo-ing the 804’s with a cold solid state setup about four years ago and decided against B&W … I later heard the 800’s with a Levinson amp and thought it was da bomb. I have since heard the 804’s powered with an ARC tube linestage and kicked myself for not picking them up. The difference was astounding. Nothing against your current setup … but I think you will be amazed at what tubes will do for you. I am running an all solid state Rotel HT system out in the living room and I rarely listen to music out there anymore.