Matching an amp to speakers for beginners?


I've been unhappy with the sound I've heard out of all the store bought systems, so I'm looking into higher end stuff. I've been spending the past couple weeks browsing around here and other places on and off to try to figure out what I can pick up that I would be more satisfied with.

Originally, I just wanted to pick up some better speakers and hook them up to my Yamaha receiver, but I've since been convinced that if I get nice speakers they will be wasted if I use my receiver. So now I'm looking for an amp.

After reading a bit, I've realized that all this stuff is a lot more complicated than I originally thought it would be. I'm hoping someone here can help me out with some basic information.

Assuming I pick up some nice speakers, what do I look for when trying to find an amp to run them off of? I'd prefer an integrated amp just for less complexity. Can someone help me out with someone basic guidelines when looking at the speaker and amp's specs what I should be looking for?

Thanks for any help you can provide.
petequad
Newbee,

Good suggestion. I would also add that you could provide us with the following:

1. Your budget in dollars
2. New, used or either
3. Type of room and size of room
4. Type of music you prefer
5. 2-channel only, combo music and HT
6. speakers-floorstanding or monitor/bookshelf
7. Amp-solid state or tube
8. Source component-what will you use for source, i.e. CD

Knowing these things will assist in providing an answer. There are lots of considerations. For instance, if you buy relatively high efficiency speakers, you can use a much lower powered amp. Heck, in a smallish room a 2-3 watt per channel amp will drive a high efficency speaker to loud levels. I know, I'm doing it right now!

For the price of an HT receiver and speakers at Best Buy or Circuit City, you can have a great sounding 2-channel system.

Enjoy,

TIC
For someone without experience assembling a reasonable priced system, consider the pre-matched components from Odyssey Audio, which I heard at the NY Stereophile Show.
Klaus Bunge who works out of Indianopolis, Indiana, has all the experience required to distill his various systems down to remarkable modest pricepoints, relative to the genuinely high end performance. In addition, he has the true European accent, accompanied by real audio sophistication, minus any pretentiousness.
For example, an Etesian preamp, Khartago amp, Epiphony speakers (not a typo), and Groneberg interconnect, and loudspeaker cables, all together sell direct for $1500.
One has to provide a source, like the CDP, or record player, at additional cost. Even this starter system is miles ahead of many a medium priced set-up, even if you could manage to buy the components, all at once, to get started listening now.
There is even a money back guarantee, but packing up, and shipping back should not be a concern, judging by what I listened to in his Show demo room.
His website is www.odysseyaudio.com, although he is physically still in NYC at the Show.
If you have the personal asistance of fellow audiophiles, and can buy the best deals on Audiogon, and receive each item in fine condition, then there may be better to be had, but, for beginners, there is no easier way than to go with Odyssey.
It's a thought.
OK, here's some answers to your questions. I waited a while because I thought I might have a set of speakers, but that sale fell through so I am starting from scratch again.

1. My budget... as little as possible, as much as it takes. I'm sure you've heard that before, but basically I'd like to spend around 1500-2k for the amp and the same for the speakers. However, if it is worth it I'm willing to throw in 2 more thousand for excellent speakers. So, in total, on the low side it would be great to spend about 3-5k, but I'm willing to go up to $7000 or maybe even 8 if I'm convinced it's worth it.

2. I usually lean towards new, but I am open to buying used as I have heard that used high end audio stuff is usually in pretty good condition. One of my problems is that I've recently moved to the Charlotte, NC area and I don't nkow of any high end audio dealers around here, so I may be limited to having something shipped.

3. The room is about 16x13.5. It will be also used for a home theater, but I don't want to sacrifice stereo sound quality for that fact. It has wood floors and two windows, and my listening position will have my front and back facing the long way of the room.

4. As I mentioned, I've been on a classic rock kick lately. However, I do have a medium sized classical library that should sound good, along with some blues, funk, metal, newer alternative type stuff, and various strange CDs that don't really fit a category.

5. I will be in a home theater, so if the speakers can be used for the front channel of my 5.1 sytem, that would be great. However, I don't want to compromise my stereo sound for that - I will retain seperate speakers for theater if it is necessary. My home theater system is why I am in this boat (I think it sounds like garbage for music).

6. Floorstanding or bookshelf - I've gone back and forth on this several times. At this point I think I would like to go for nice bookshelf speakers, this way I could use them for my home theater and eventually upgrade to more expensive floorstanding and move these to the rear channels. That's my theory but I don't know if it holds water.

7. Solid state or tube - no idea.

8. OK, this one may get me some flames. Basically I have been spoiled with my CD changer. I can't bear to going back to storing all my CDs in jewel cases or otherwise, and I don't have a vinyl collection, so I'm hoping to stick with my SONY CDP-CX90ES CD changer. I also plan to daisy chain up two more changers off that one (you can control them all from it). If you guys tell me that this plan is complete crap I may change my mind, but the convienience for me is soo great I'm hoping it won't be too bad.

That's it. I spent some time looking at the Odyssey web site and it looks interesting, so I may give them a call. Any suggestions or advice is very welcome. If you think I should just go away and find speakers then come back and ask about amps that's fine too - I'm having a little trouble getting started and all this time with no music (because I moved and haven't set anything up yet) is making me batty and I'm afraid I may just run out and buy something rashly.
A gut reaction - you have a realistic view of the cost of getting good speakers and matching amp, but the sound and appearance of speakers is sooooo personal. I would suggest that you get your best speakers 1st and plan to leave them in place. I can't think of a single reason that your 1st speakers can't serve in HT or 2 channel, unless you want bass boom for HT (personally I'll pass). Get your less expensive back channels later. I would also pass on bookshelve/monitor types as your first speakers if you can accomodate flooorstanders as you will be buying an amp which works best with those speakers - its usually easier to drive monitors than full range speakers. I would also suggest that you budget a reasonable sum for a quality CDP - you know the saw about garbage in, garbage out. You can continue to use your Sony but when you really want quality sound you just hit the imput switch. I don't know what lines are available for auditioning in your general area - I would suggest that you check that out and feed back. At least we would have some idea of where to start to help you. If you can get out and look at some and give them a listen, all the better.
My suggestion to you outside the basics is to consider what characteristics of music you really prize. What is it you are really missing now that has driven you to improve your system? an inventory of sorts of what you want to achieve will assist you locate the right speaker, even if it isnt nice! Then, too, look at your living situation. You may like a certain speaker, but that is no assurance they will like their new envionment! Look at the suggestions of people who have owned the speaker in question. Some speakers that are unbelievably capable-a real dream come true, can be a nightmare with the wrong placement. Others are not fussy at all.