Ok, I cannot help my self no longer!, Mr tennis, I will say you do not know how to get the best sound out of a vincent cd-s7!, Lets get that out of the way!, Most seasoned audiophiles know you would have to spend in the excess of $10,000.00 to better a direct to amp connection like the vincent cd-s7 offers, thats if you want a pure sound of a single source, there is absolutly no way and impossible for any marantz or the teac cd-3000 can better the sound by using a pre-amp in the cost range someone would have to buy to match the cost point of the marantz and the teac!, think about it, another circuit board for the singnal to go thru!, this dilutes the signal purity badly!, thats why Wadia was so famous for not having the pre-amp to have to use!,also the Esoteric K line players use a direct to amp connection as well, there is a huge difference with my exsperience with the vincent cd-s7 direct to amp compaired to using with a pre-amp!, also I will add that most pre-amps add their own sound to the mix that can ruin a great tone like the vincent cd-s7 has!, I know that most audiophiles use pre-amps, there is alot of us that do not!, the teac you are looking at, the cd-3000 is likly a good player with a pre-amp for the money, BTW, what does it retail for?, I went to the Teac website, It said that the Esoteric brand of engineers voiced this player, great!, why would you buy this instead of getting the Esoteric k-07 player, that is the bottom of the line model that is alot better!, back to the vincent player, this player is extremely resonance tunning friendly!, you can change the sound to your listening preferances by simply tunning with tunning cones underneath the player and useing a light weight small phone book on top to move around to better the sound!, I have done all of this, I will also say that the cables and amp, speakers, power cords etc... matters as well, direct to amp with my system, I have NEVER heard more body and deep impactfull bass and a sound stage to die for in my entire life at this cost point!, I am sure their is better, I would say thousands of dollars for a pre-amp, and thousands of dollars more for a cd-player to be good enough to compensate going thru a pre-amp!, I felt the vincent was unfairly dis- respected here when in fact, If you use the vincent cd-s7 to get the best possible sound out of it that I exsposed here, Its a hands down better performing set-up than all that is listed here by a very large margin! |
Hi Mrtennis, Rest assured,your ears should matter to you most!, I also need to add this to my review above, The vincent cd-s7 out of the box sounds listenable, however, The sound intergrates to its best and the bass is finally realized at 500 hours of burn-in time with playing music only to settle the unit to its full potential, my family was shocked and we were all supprised when this incredible bass with slam came thru, we got so excited, we invited numerous listeners over to hear the difference, they was in awe as we were!, Mrtennis, I enjoy your write-ups and the equipment you expose me to, I never knew Teac provided a player that would be cited as having a good sound, I might add, Its a beutiful player too!,I can see your point on wanting to use a solid state player on a tube pre-amp, tubes on tubes does not facy me!, I am not downing your pre-amp at all mrtennis, I am saying, unless you have one of the state of the art pre-amps out there, this cannot surpass the direct connection of the vincent player that is talked about here, I also stated above that all cables, power amp, power cords, speakers play a roll in the sound I have gotten out this player, The rule of thumb thats known about cables is that they are system dependent, The same can be said about componets, what may work in my and many other audiophiles systems may not work to a great sound in yours,Mrtennis, We both know its a trial by error with this hobby, I look forward to more of your write ups, I would like to read your write up of the teac here on this thread only if its talking about the merrits of its sound, not others, cheers. |
@ Mrtennis, Thankyou for the info of sound of the Teac, What is the cost of the player? |
Mrtennis, thats not a bad price at all!, likly a good player for someone that is using more tube componets than solid state componets, yep, the good ole balancing act to get a particular sound, in my case, I will use tube digital, untill of course I find a solid state player that sounds like the real musical event, soul!,I really have not been overly impressed with todays digital!, then when I do here something that catches my attention, they want enough money for that digital source to buy a house!, I am tring to build a state of the art system here, really beyond what I can afford seems like, oh no, I do not want to, just to get what works for me other than the vincent cd-s7 that may be temporary, It cost so much money, try over $60,000.00 so far, ouch!, at times I feel like this hobby is going to far!, ever get that feeling mrtennis?, cheers. |
@ Mrtennis, Hi, I am currious to know what you have decided to use in your system for digital? |
Luxman,mmm, now you may be talking better high-end?, reread my previous post, follow what i have said, the vincent direct to amp with all else I said, the vincent is another animal!, cheers mrtennis, I enjoy talking to you! |
I suppose that owning a krell gives me very good bass with the vincent, the vincent bested Ayon, cary,another krell cd player in the same price range, I am perplexed with your findings, have you done the tunning with a small phone book on top of the vincent?, move the book around, I got the best bass I have ever heard from this player at this cost point for digital, you may need to let the player have settle time running direct to amp, all changes I have ever done to a system needed settle time to perform it's best, I give everything I do alot of time to conclude my impressions, that way, there is no excuse for what I hear, another thought here is maybe we are going thru system dependency mrtennis, do you believe so, I do at this point, I look forward to what you have to say about the luxman player, I think it's cool that you are doing these comparisons, you are being an asset to us all!, Thankyou. |
The vicent cd-s7 has 12ax7 and 12au7 tubes, LOl!, not any 6922 tubes!, yes, there is a gain stage in the player.,My audio advisor catalog says this,,,bur-brown 1796 24/192 dacs,tubes in the output amplification stage consist of three 12ax7 tubes and one 12au7 tube,, the tube in the front window is used to power the headphone output,the cd-s7 has a 4-channel balanced analog amplifier, a solid state/tube hybrid player!, wima caps, m-caps, employed in the power circuit board,, A phillips vam 1202 transport, The vincent player reveals the wood of the grand piano and subtle nuances in the pluck of acoustic bass.,, front to back depth, seperation, sound staging, resolution,etc..., are you there breath taking, this is exactly what I hear on my system with this player! cheers. |
