Mac sound quality


I'm using the new IMac , burning my CDs in AIFF . Its hooked up to an audio grade power conditioner , power cord and run to a Levinson #360S dac from the digital out through a audio grade digital cable . The sound quality is not nearly as good as my mid fi CD player . Iv'e read many posts saying this type of hard drive is far better than good quality CD players , too many posts to disregard . What am I doing wrong , the other posters were down loading , but can there be that much difference ?
tmsorosk

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Tmsorosk-won't comment on PC Audio. I'm just a Novice at
experimenting with PC Audio. Used to own ML 360S. I
believe that was DAC requiring Power Cord be inserted in
center bottom panel-PITA! Toslink Input on 306S was just
so-so Sound Quality. ML did their best work with Balanced
Circuits. Used to use Transparent Digital AES/EBU on
Digital Input to ML DAC, along with Transparent Power Cord.
If you really like the ML DAC, and want to keep it, you
could try M2Tech EVO USB to Digital AES/EBU Converter. I
do believe it works with MAC and PC. Driver installation should be easier with MAC. You could try ML with and without Power Conditioner. Contacted ML once, they claimed Power Conditioners always fowled up the sound of their 360S. That was awhile back.
Tmsorosk- wouldn't necessarily blame Imac. I have used ML
360S for over 5 years with strictly CD. Had the matching
ML Transport (model escapes me). Certain DAC's are optimized for certain type Digital Input. This goes for CD
as well as Computer Audio. Some DAC's sound best with
Firewire Input, others with USB, some with ST-glass Fiber,
still some with AES/EBU. Sound Quality for specific Input
is extremely DAC dependent. Not all Input types designed
with same quality, still the design of DAC determines
optimum compatibility with type of Input. Try the ML 360S,
with its AES/EBU versus Toslink/ST-Glass Optical, utilizing CD. You will hear a huge difference. The ML 360S is a truly Balanced DAC, designed to maximize Balanced Digital AES/EBU Input. Balanced In, Balanced Out is the only way to maximize what ML 360S can do. Even Reviews of 360S claimed that its Toslink, ST-glass Optical was only so-so. Everyone went nuts over its AES/EBU, claiming that it was miles ahead of its other Inputs. I am pretty certain the same applies, regardless of utilizing CD or Computer Audio Input. Try the ML 360S AES/EBU Input for CD, and you will hear what I am talking about. Then decide if you want to keep 360S for Computer Audio, keeping in mind AES/EBU Input to maximize ML 360S for Computer Audio. Are you still using Balanced Audio Output on ML 360S? This will make a huge difference in conjuction with Balanced Digital Input. If not, you are just not hearing everything the ML 360S was designed to provide by a third-at least! It is how this DAC was designed, to be optimized, by Mark Levinson. You can give the 360S what it needs (USB to AES/EBU Converter-or whatever) or concider another DAC.
Compatibility is hyper critical with PC Audio, and design
of DAC determines optimum compatibility with different
type of Input. It is certainly not "one size (type) fits
all with PC Audio.
Tmsorosk-Name based on being U.S. Navy Retired.
Many in Computer Audio swear by Firewire, others USB, still
some by Wireless, others by Toslink/ST-glass optical, some
by AES/EBU. You simply can't design a DAC that is optimized
for all of these Inputs, unless you have $20,000.00 to throw away on Inputs you will never use. Manufacturers know
more customers available at lower price. The best that can
be done is to design DAC to be optimized with one or two of
these Inputs. They will throw in other Inputs as nothing more than marketing hype, trying to sell Swiss Army Knife.
Optimum Input is highly dependent on DAC design. There is no "TRUE" Input for all DACs. DAC will be designed to be
optimized with ANY specific Input, but not ALL Inputs. USB
DAC that you tried could only be optimized for Firewire, or
any other type of Input. Not all USB Inputs are of same quality. Not all Firewire Inputs are of same quality either. Neither are all Toslink, ST-glass optical, or even
AES/EBU. Everyone thinks each class is the same quality, after all the connectors in each class look the same.
Manufacturers make profit on Customers presuming that USB
Input on one DAC, will sound just as good as USB Input on
another DAC. The up side of optical connectors, is electrical isolation between Source and DAC. The Downside is having to insert two convertion stages in the signal path. Manufacturer can easily design DAC to maximize advantage of one, and minimize disadvantage of other.
Manufacturer can design DAC to maximize advantage of AES/EBU, like Mark Levinson 360S. Maybe not so much for its
optical input. Not all inputs on all DACs are created equal. Not all DACs are created equal to be maximized with all of their Inputs. Reviewers will usually try all inputs,
and tell you where the sweet spot is. Other Owners of same
Equipment can relate sweet spot Input as well. Just beware
of Pundits who claim that only just one type of Input, is the only ideal Input for all DACs. Unless they Manufactured
the particular DAC, or tried all Inputs with multitude of
other Equipment with various Outputs, how would they know?
I am complete Novice at PC Audio. I would still recommend
the suggestions on this Thread. I would then try a multitude of different DACS with a multitude of different
Inputs. Don't just try one Input type and give up. You could try your friends, or even your local High End Store.
I am sure that they could find you a good combination. They
could even listen to your IMac, and make recommendations.
You could also try the place that you purchased your IMac.
Just make sure that it is someone who is extremely
knowledgable about PC Audio. High End Store is usually best place for knowledge about PC Audio. PC Audio is more
elusive, and alot more complicated mating various components, than other source material. Not to say that other source material is any easier either. PC Audio is
definitely do-able in High End Terms. It just takes more
patience, and time. Sorry, I meant MAC Audio, or however
you classify it (joke! joke!).
Absolutely support what Nglazer says. PC Audio is nothing, but a nightmare waiting for the wheels to fall off. Lazy
Manufacturer's Format (Tool) for elimination of Customer
Support to maximize Corporate Profit. Like the CEO in
ROBOCOP says, "Who cares if it (PC Audio) doesn't work
(Half the Time)! It would be nice to hold CDP Manufacturer's feet to the fire if anything goes wrong from
Manufacturer's End, once again. Remember those days? You
also don't have to be a Rocket Scientist just to be able to listen to your Music! Convenient my *#!*#! A__!
Yeah-Jdoris-I am going to start a movement alright. Goal will to relieve the constipated Customer Support of PC
Audio. About time PC Audio Manufacturers take a break from
counting Profits, and actually DO something to fix the
reliability mess their Products create.
"Apple Computers have been used in Professional Audio Recording Environments for more than 20 years". Great!
Put Apple in charge of PC Audio, couldn't possibly do any
worse! Current PC Audio Manufacturing couldn't possibly be
concidered PROFESSIONAL! I think even Apple can do better than a 50% Failure Rate! You guys just can't stand the idea
of buying anything that is reliable? Is reliability an assault to your senses? You prefer driving brand new cars off of the lot with all of the wheels falling off at the same time? Let me guess, you would be thrilled to take it!
Then all cars start being manufactured this way. You say,
"Don't buy it if you don't like it"! PC Audio=F.O.R.D.-
Found On Rack Dead/Fix And Repair Daily! Naahhh! I'm going to keep on bitchin about lack of PC Audio Customer Support!
I can do this because I am the Customer-regardless if I buy it or not! I am also a lazy Customer, so yeah, I expect
PC Audio Manufacturer to have to figure it out instead of me! Why, because I am the CUSTOMER, and it is what I do!
What do you do, other than sell the idea of unreliable,
missing instructions, failing PC Audio Equipment? I don't know! I don't think that PC Audio Manufacturers are going to send you their Profits thanks to your support. Thanks for throwing the rest of us Customers under a Bus! Crush
our Bones to make your PC Manufacturer Masters Bread!
Indentured Servitude to PC Audio, brilliant idea and very
Convenient. Who needs a stinking Emancipation Proclamation? Slaves to a Machine, now THAT is convenience!