Luxman tonality

"I think amp designers and manufacturers should measure the equipment they build."

I would bet in those donuts that I won on millercarbon's bet above that all the serious manufacturers do. Those people are not Audiogon retirerees. They actually make something and need to make it good.

"...some fancy vu meters, big deal, those get old after a while..."

How old is that while? People buy such amplifiers exactly because of those (admittedly useless) meters.

"It is not me you disagree with, it is literally the definition. That's why I say don't take my word for it, look it up. Your disagreement then is with reality."

Who wrote the definition?

(just because it is on the Internet does not make it correct of worth quoting)

In my experience, Luxman (integrated) amplifiers just somehow disappear. "Warm", or "cold" does not seem right while "sterile" is also not the word for it. I guess "neutral" really is the most accurate listeningwise. I have no idea how they measure.

Disclaimer: I have heard Luxman (more recent models) many times and millercarbon now owes me donuts. I am donating them to the millercarbon's homeless shelter or soup kitchen of choice. He will deliver it there.