Looking for the "better sub"

>> "JL Fathom 113....I would have ordered one, but no high level inputs turns a great sub into a home theater product in my eyes. They blew it." <<

Really?....I don't understand how you have come to that conclusion about subwoofers?>>>

I tried high level inputs vs. low level on three subs and there is no doubt at all that high level is superior for two channel audio. This is not possible with the Fathom, no matter how good of a sub it is.

R.

Couldn't agree less with the statement that lack of high-level inputs makes JL Fathom unsuitable for 2CH audiophile use.>>>

After trying both hook-up methods, I'm always a little surprised when someone claims they are the same.
Using the high level inputs and connected to the speaker terminals of the amp, the subwoofer sees the exact SAME signal the speakers do and it's transmitted over the SAME type of speaker wire at the SAME time.
Using the low level inputs you're sub sees a signal different from the speakers and probably not even at the same time. On top of that the signal is transmitted over a different type of cable.
Considering all we make of tiny differences in gear and tweaks we make, I find it astounding that anyone even suggests that low level inputs in as good for 2 channel listening. I tried both using SVS and Martin Logan Abyss subs, and the difference in speed was noticeable right away.
Furthermore, I can connect my 2 channel system to the high level inputs of most other high-end subs, and run low level from my home theater system. One sub can work for two totally different systems. The Fathom can't manage that.
So now matter how good the Fathom is, they were shortsighted in their design both for flexibility and the high end audiophiles who prefer high level connections.
Even Martin Logan prefers high level for the reasons I described.

R.

BTW...I saw a picture of your room at another forum (very nice looking). The curtains covering the wall behind the Maggies are a bad idea though. The rear sound wave is your friend (it's there to help you), it should strike a live wall...and not heavy curtains.>>>

Dave, I'm hardly new at audio. I've owned everything from B&W to Carver Amazings and tiny yet lovely Royd Coniston R's. I started off with Canton Quinto 540's many years ago and I still remember choosing them over the far better Frieds! Those Cantons were just too cool when I was in my 20's.
Of course nothing is absolute, but I've heard enough high-level vs. low level comparisons to make it fairly obvious one is "often" best. Does that mean someone's system isn't working better with low level? Not at all.
As for my room and curtains, it's best I've ever heard from a pair of 1.6s. The 120" screen provides just the right reflective properties, while the curtains at the side trap unwanted reflections. The result is an insanely deep soundstage which amazing focus on vocals. The room (via sheer luck) ended up being an ideal space for the systems.

Anyone wanting to see what's up....click on these...
http://ghostlight.zenfolio.com/img/v3/p3696847-5.jpg
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Cheers,

R.