Looking for more detail in a speaker


Kind of a long first post but needed the space to set up my situation. 
I decided to do something about my speaker situation after demoing a pair of B&W 805d’s. One of the tracks played was Sympathy for the Devil. At the beginning of the song, a percussion instrument, either a guiro or cabasa, just popped out at me on the left speaker. I’ve heard that song a million times but never noticed that percussion instrument coming at me like that. I came home and played the track through my system, through my streamer and turntable. My speakers are Golden Ear Triton One’s. That same presentation just isn’t there like with those 805’s.
The GET1’s are certainly decent speakers; are they not designed for this type of detailed presentation? Is it my room? My listening room is a odd shaped man attic with a 3.5’ wall on one side with an 8’ wall on the other side peaking a 9’ in the middle. My listening position is about 17’ from the speakers.  I’m sure the room is acoustically challenged. Also, I have a long speaker wire run, like 40’. Does that contribute to the lack of detail? I figured out a way to trim about 15’ of speaker wire length from each run and plan to do that ASAP. I’m using AudioQuest construction rated wire. I believe they’re 14 gauge.
So, why not buy the 805’s? I’ve thought seriously about them but concerned they’ll be kind of small for my room. Seems like I need floor standers. I’d like to keep any replacement speakers at $4k. I have an opportunity to pick up a pair of Dynaudio S5.4s for $4k but haven’t made a move in them yet. 
Any suggestions on a speaker selection or adjustments to my room or speaker wire are appreciated. To sum it up, I’m looking for more instrument detail with good sound staging either by making tweaks to my current set up or getting another flavor of speakers. Thx. 
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@mijostyn,

’I do not think any of the good dynamic loudspeakers corner the marker on detail. They are all about the same in that regard. It is all a matter of frequency response and where the peaks and dips are.’


@audiokinesis ,

’Take a look at the on-axis frequency response curve of the 805 D3:

https://www.stereophile.com/content/bowers-wilkins-805-d3-loudspeaker-measurements

In particular notice the 6 dB peak at 10 kHz. Imo that might make a percussion instrument pop out of the mix.’



Yes, it’s all about frequency response. Designers are notorious for deliberately peaking and dipping FR to either draw attention to - or draw attention away from certain aspects of performance.

So when a reviewer mentions how they can hear the pianist’s fingernails clicking and clacking against the keys, or a guitarist’s fingers sliding up and down the frets, it might be worth taking a closer look at the FR.

Some studio monitors are said to be tailored to give an exaggerated /unnatural view into the mix. You wouldn’t want that in a domestic monitor.

Genuine improvements in resolution are few and far between. Even my portable Sony radio offers great resolution in the midband (even if that’s all it does).

Ribbon tweeters and exotic tweeter dome materials are often said to offer better HF resolution but not everyone agrees, or even wants it.

Ditto for improved low noise cabinets which will let you better hear what the drive units are doing. A bit like getting the car exhaust fixed and then being able to hear all kinds of previously unnoticed cabin noises.
Some goods points here.

@pcrhkr

"The room, the long speaker wire runs. Speaker placement, room acoustics. A pair of Radio Shack speakers in a good acoustical room will sound better than $10,000 speakers in a bad room with long speaker runs and poor speaker placement."

Absolutely.


@ishkabibil,

"Your search for real detail will lead to listener fatigue!

Dont be impressed by a 30 second sound clip!"


A real danger.

There was a great comment (posted on YouTube by Hal Pearson) that I try to keep in mind.

He wrote:

"The best advice I ever got was to chase tonal accuracy and everything else will follow. Chase detail and nothing else will."