Looking For A Dialogue Around Using An Ortofon MC2000 In My Current System

@neonknight  : "  historical perspective it was considered one of the best cartridges in the world at its time.  "

Probably the 80's was in some ways the " golden years of cartridges " and the Japan designs were at the very top, even against the 2000.

Only to name a few of them where I owned 2-3 of them and/or listened and even in this forum there are audiophiles that still own some samples:

Highphonic MC-D15, Sony XL88D, Victor MC L1000, Dynavector 13-D, Final, Supex SDX 1100D. Audio Note I/O Limited, Audio Technica MC 1000, etc, etc.

Anyway, good that you finally put your hands in what you was looking for and this fact is the must important issue.

R.

Dear @lewm  : No, it's not that way. For me the word " anemic " ( your word. ) says to me that something is not really good down there because the 2000 is not anemic in my first hand experiences with different audio items and tonearms and TTs.

In the other side, it's obvious that each one of us like different kind of distortions. For me, distortions levels is the name of the game in audio. You already know that I always " work " trying to mantain all kind of distortions at " minimum " in my room system.

Anywa, thank's for your explanation.

R.

Well, I own/owned not one MC2000 but 3 new samples. I will delete my post that does not like you. No problem.

R.

L., maybe not in " trouble " and it's just that you like a different kind of distortions.

Nothing wrong with that and sorry to disturb you.

R.

@neonknight  : Never mind, not important but thank's.

Btw, in one of my MC2000 samples I sended to VDH for a change of cantilever/stylus and I did it not because it need it but to compare aginst the original and my experience is that with the boron cantilever and VDH stylus the cartridge is way better quality performer.

R.

Lew, it's not presumptuous, it is only what you posted. Read your post: MC2000 " anemic " sound in comparison with the Manley+cables++++

If you said that MC2000 is anemic with your 2 active high gain phono stages then you are in trouble like it or not. 

R.

Dear @lewm  : " I have two other high gain phono stages that are certainly quiet enough, but they don't have quite enough gain to make me happy.  The MC2000 sounds a bit anemic with those two. "

I can't know the @edgewear opinion but the MC2000 " undress " any room/system, same as the Essential 3150/60.

In neither of those SS active high gain phonolinepreamps the MC2000 sounds " anemic ". I think that you have some trouble in your room/system. Where? I can't know but your post showed a trouble down there.

Your comparison with the cartridge in the MM+"headamp"(?) is a bad one because you are comparing apples with tomatoes. Way different.

As I said, you have a problem where you are not aware of it yet.

Think of all what is hidding behind that Manley Steelhead ( obviously by tubes. ) plus additional IC cables/connectors plus that " headamp " against the straigth Essential unit that additional has a way more accurated inverse RIAA eq. that your Manley.

Anyway, several differences down there. 

R.

Dear @neonknight  :  On other thread you started and talking about those Ortofon vintage cartridges you posted:

" Perhaps there are limitations in my gear that homogenize the sound.  ""

"" To be honest this is a casual cartridge, so I don't want to spend multiple thousands on a SUT for a cartridge that cost me $900. ""

I posted and asked there something that you decided not give an answer. Look;

and you started this thread to discuss what when already existed the other thread?. Makes no sense to me but it's up to you.

R.

Dear @edgewear  :  I owned the T2000 that every MC2000 owner were using in those times but I agree with Pisha: not the best SUT other than its high gain.

Entré are superior and rigth now in Poland is the ET300 that's very rare to find out. I don't need it. I have a good active high gain SS phonolinepreamp but even that in the past I owned several SUTs ( I still have one Entré and a pair od Denon and ATY.....) and still own and use ( time to time ) the Denon 1000.

Anyway, Ortofon is really good with cartridges .

R.

Dear @neonknight  : Forgeret about JGH or STP rdeviews of the MC 2000. 

I know very well this cartridge own/owned 3 new samples and I really like it and as a matter of fact I can remember that was me whom brougth Agon this cartridge ( maybe I'm not, can´t be totally sure. ).

Anyway, the best professional review of this cartridge was made it by Pisha through Audio magazine and he used a Technics SP10 MK2 TT and mounted the cartridge in the great Technics EPA 250 and used not only the T-2000 SUT but other SUTs too and in that review Audio made deep measurements on the MC-2000 where they found out that the cartridge has a compliance of 30+cu and even that the combination with the EPA 250 puts the resonance frequency down 5khz the cartridge traked cleanly the Telarc 1812. As I said great tonearm and very good combination with the MC 2000.

You not necessarily have to go with the T2000 and my opinion is to go for the Entré 100 SUT that gives you 33db of gain and Entré is very well designed SUT as a fact the same today My Sonic Labs people ( Go figure !.).

Here at very good price:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/124903575831?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20201210111314%26meid%3D8963e134b0384d8eb9b8c1584f0be005%26pid%3D101195%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D143182655595%26itm%3D124903575831%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DSimplAMLv9PairwiseWithPLXWeb&_trksid=p2047675.c101195.m1851&amdata=cksum%3A1249035758318963e134b0384d8eb9b8c1584f0be005%7Cenc%3AAQAGAAACAKRQH5sEcWCyQKdCZm8ZpIwf8B%252BxffmKIB4jE%252FmgTZbZZplfzdPvIX%252FY2LeLs5%252B6Aho%252BJ3VegdVVA6m9kof%252FIC2nXCBKjbbQ2BULkWQk0Sk%252BrwfWzH8KIM76yJy%252Bg7btrW7vdBl44Gy1Tdp5%252FE6xjKCcOYVW0blLphasP90Sa04DYAcKCmbtfGcm5lxvjiXyWaKVhSBvtWy2QDbEwawsGmqauadEcR%252BwOuezrfntHN7gtZ9TYATDvnZnqOOl2Ob7yE9ATN3D1TMN79WRoYywwfbx7yhU0v59JN9nUt4Wg%252BpROs2GPRidDZSvsRgTykoY4UFLeeKjOekSz6F8NeJJ8kSk8aWcz3El4HtrWh%252Bfaa17ilpUBgD692Rx5fgGWeIYGupVnpxIP7y3lgOrIZYG1BGZzteoNXmShBBHIo%252FCZoSZN88gto03cYH2803ZtWe5KjuYE1NWcrONgdWKZ8eyGggXTXmnEQ%252FB9nBs9i9egFvLPr6XnHTqEmd9esNurpM9dETbzGwQfVpapz6GM92qGNFP%252FIUC4LqC3HP38%252F4wJIQJ9%252FbLqTa28zF5s4ASdZLdrtj3%252BCHSG4DW95nZy%252FrmBxecpRDUkz3HR5MR39ATY6h%252FBowJrzbJmRmSe3amv8LCl6m1RjETfdesYrVdq3QqQhn4yUbuOWJYv6c5XpNBChEK%7Campid%3APL_CLK%7Cclp%3A2047675

Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,

R.