List of plinth builders for Technics SP10 MK3


Would like a dual arm plinth built for my Technics SP10 MK3.

Looking for reasonably priced builders.

I looked for references but there are very few listed.... and most are old listings and no longer available.

Thanks,

Rick

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@rich121 It is no secret that I am a advocate of Panzerholz.

I have seen it with a finishing coating that really works well with it in use as a TT Plinth, where the Raw Material is enhanced to a attractive lustre.

The TTS 8000 as seen in the Link is done by an individual I know in the UK.

https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/plinth-design-advice-for-direct-drive-turntable.992415/ 

Even more interesting. 

The design where the Stator / Platter Bearing Housing is embedded into a Chassis/Plinth on a SP10 is commonly known of as the Kaneta Design and gives credit to the creator Dr Kaneta. There are today a few Variants of the earliest of designs.

I am a variant of this designs produced using Panzerholz or Permali for a SP10 MkII (the new TT is now purchased to be donated for the build ) and a friend has already got their one produced, the only delay at present is the New Power Supply being produced.

I have encouraged this route for quite some time, as I have first hand experience of the PTP Solid Nine which creates similar for a Lenco Idler Drive. The PTP and Kaneta shares a similar design intent and I can't help but feel quite sure the notable merits for the Lenco Idler Drive mechanical interfaces will transfer over to a DD TT.

There is plenty about this design on DIY Audio to strongly suggest a Kaneta variant  it is a valuable addition. 

    

As stated, about the Kaneta design for the SP10 MkII, 'there are Variants'. It seems to me to be quite clear where the Butt Stops when investigating the Kaneta Design.

The Jury can decide if the Kaneta Design is to limited to the MkII only and any variants seen are not sharing the designs concept.

Dr Kaneta is also one who is responsible for other pioneering uses of modern concepts in Electronics. He has produced designs around the Korg Nutube of which I am a advocate, I have heard this component as a key component used in Pre-Amp's and a Phonostage and am having a device produced at present utilising the Korg Nutube in a circuit that is a Balanced Design.  

Peter Reinders who has evolved the PTP Design, has been vocal in their acceptance of seeing variances to his designs produced by others. He only requests that commercial ventures are not put in place utilising them. 

Whilst scouring the Japan Auctions, I have found a Vendor who has offered a Kaneta Variant.

This is produced using the SP10 MkII as a Donor Model.

The design is very tidy and is with the Stator Housed in a resinous stone Plinth Chassis, limited to one Tonearm, which looks to be a 9" type. The Power Supply again is looking very tidy and is a produced as Two Modules, on e for the Speed Control and the other the Power On/Off.

This is a TT, I do not really need, as I am on the verge of having a Panzerholz Plinth/Chassis Model produced, with a bespoke produced Power Supply/Speed Control.

The design for the Panzerholz being produced for me, is not exactly the end design I want to have in use either. I have a design that I want to put to use, once I have experienced a few Kaneta Variants and offered others the chance to experience the Kaneta Variants in comparison to the Standard SP10 MkII mounted on a P'holz Plinth.

This will be a little more involved with the SP10 MkII, as the Plinth Materials are seen as critically important for the end designs, but will still be quite similar to how I demo'd a GL 75 Idler Drive.

The GL75 has been demo'd as a Standard Model, as a Modified Model in a purpose produced Plinth and as a PTP Solid 9 and Speed Control. There are new discoveries of betterment made with each type of TT being demo'd, as the designs are shown to be improved for the required mechanical interfaces on the TT and ultimately control of the TT's Speed.

@dover It is my experiences and outcomes of discussion and investigation I am sharing on this forum, with a few mentions periodically of how I intend on evolving a idea that has already manifested or even materialised.

I have Audio System I am very happy with, it allows me to replay music to a level that 'I' find very attractive, 'I' don't need more than this and can quite easily rest where 'I' am.

In parallel with the usage of a Audio System to enjoy time set aside for listening to Music Replays. 'I' have spent many years visiting others with a enthusiasm for audio and proven for their being creative with EE work and Mechanical work that is relating to audio reproduction. I have caught the bug a long time past and really enjoy a dabble in this area with no desire to remunerate myself in any way, most devices produced or bought in to be worked with are still owned, not my wifes favorite subject this one. I won't be changing this at any time, it is the other fuel that keeps the social aspect of my interest/hobby healthy and alive. I do not envisage a time where the social side of this interest in both meeting and listening/meeting and putting ideas for designs in place, will diminish. 

I deliberately keep info to a minimum when I have been dependent on the input of others to help achieve a design that functions, especially a functioning design that is creating the perception of a substantial improvement and performing above my expectations.

As far as I am concerned, the assistance offered and designs put to use, are not mine, but are the thought from others as a result of my priming the subject. It is for these individuals who are putting in the creative work, to come forward and pass on their IP, certainly not mine. I hope this is understandable, maybe that is that I am not too vociferous with sharing others IP, that is a Cornerstone of the relationships/friendships that have been built .  

I regularly put Links on this forum, especially with content that helps others determine where the fundamental ideas that I am working with and a advocate of are coming from. The added Link will show a individual who is worthwhile looking up in relation to Kaneta Variants

https://www.lencoheaven.net/forum/index.php?topic=34417.75

I can only share my experiences and these to others are merely opinions or suggestions. Further learning on a subject will need to carried out by others, it will be their footwork and how they develop a curiosity/creativity that brings their own rewards.

 

@dover That assessment you have offered might be very good for @rich121, as it does seem this is a method being considered for their SP10 Mk III,which I am assuming is very similar to the one seen in the link.

I do not know if the version you are referring to is one based around this type of design, or if it was built into a different material as he Support Structure. My experiences are when selecting materials to be utilised as a structure for a TT's plinth, there are plenty of materials that can be detrimental to the TT's sonic capabilities. 

I have never really developed an interest in the Mk III, I don't recollect any time when I was watching the market for one, this leaves me with little knowledge about how these TT's have been bettered over the years.

I can't at present comment on the Sonic produced from a Kaneta Design or Variant used for a SP10 MkII, as I am yet to experience one.

When the Kaneta Variant demo's are taking place, the comparisons will also include a Panzerholz Plinthed, Standard SP10 MkII refurbished by one the UK's renowned individuals who refurbishes/modifiers this model. 

Fortunately for me I am very much enjoying the ownership and usage of my SP10 MkII. When used in my system, it has been a captivating experience.

For many who have been demonstrated it, it has seemingly been captivating as well.

The notion of how much others enjoy the system, is from the time when I demo'ing at a public attended event and out of 50 exhibitors and approx' 500 Paying Visitors to the event, my hotel exhibiting room was crammed with attendees for the bulk of the days exhibiting. Individuals were clearly stating the set up was the best on the day of the event. That as a gross assessment is certainly better than an assessment from one individual, making their claims of whether an experience has been attractive or repellent.