Liquid Ceramics cables Has anyone heard these?

Ozzy....when you next speak to Bob, please inform him that the current output on the Cooker's low-level circuit (for interconnects) is 120 milliamperes continuous. That should give him something to digest and compute. Special step-down adaptors can be made if that output level is a little high for his design. He is, of course, welcome to speak with me directly at any time, although I'll be in Denver for the Rocky Mountain show until Monday.

Thanks for the 'input', Serus....good thinking. Safety first, always.

Mr. Essential Audio....is it your custom to comment on products you've never owned, let alone never used? Ozzy is a long-time Cable Cooker owner, and has infinitely more experience with the unit, and with multiple models and brands of audio and video cabling. Further, he's a pretty smart cookie and may not need your "help" regarding these cables....you're not even a dealer for them. Did you not reason at all, that since he ordered the interconnects directly from Cerious (and therefore may have talked with Mr. Grost himself), that he might ask some questions as to their need for any break-in or conditioning?

You've been making these types of comments over and over the last several years (both on Audiogon and AA), usually making baseless and/or completely inaccurate statements about the Cooker....one might think you have an agenda.

Glad to know you weren't badmouthing my product again. But Bob Grost, to my knowledge, hasn't used a Cooker either. That's neither here nor there, as his products look quite interesting, and more people are experiencing very good things with them. I always champion an innovator like Bob Grost....our hobby needs more clean-sheet-of-paper thinking.

A point I didn't make earlier is that a large number of cable manufacturers typically say that their cabling either doesn't need "break-in", or needs very little. Customers usually find their own experience to be different, needing quite a number of hours on the new cables, and sometimes requiring the use of a conditioning device such as mine to accelerate the process and further improve the playback.

The Cerious cabling uses a unique, non-metallic conductive material....but still uses synthetic dielectric materials that the Cable Cooker's multiplex signal also addresses. Whether this will be efficacious on the Cerious cables remains to be seen....someone will inevitably do the testing. But in my experience, it is highly-doubtful that there would be any harm, as you have previously, and wrongly stated. If I am reading the tea leaves correctly, Mr. Grost seems to feel that a Cooker, or similar device is "not necessary", as the ceramic material "doesn't need break-in"....just time to settle in. That is his experience to-date, and quite different from your statement "be careful", and its negative implication.

Essential, those 2 cable manufacturers are TG Audio (what a surprise....you're Bob's dealer!) and Cardas. What do they both have in common? Neither have ever used the Cable Cooker. Hmmmm.

To be even more fair and open about this subject, there are also a couple or three other small manufacturers that initially enjoyed using the Cooker, but later decided they liked the sound of their cables without additional conditioning outside of a music system. That, of course, is a matter of their personal preference, and as a friend of mine likes to say...."that's what makes horse races". There are also a much larger number of cable manufacturers that wouldn't give up their Cookers, having found that using the device on their products was essential, and therefore became standard operating procedure. That's their preference as well.

Are you gonna let go of this, Brian?

Audiofeil....we should take the time to clarify things a bit more, for everyone's benefit. All-encompassing statements like "you shouldn't use it" do not explain the "why". Stealth cables, in particular the PGS and Indra, utilize extremely fine gauge conductors, and they are *not* designed to receive high current signals. For instance, the Indra is an interconnect, not a speaker cable or power cable, no? Another cable brand that should not be Cooked (on the regular 2.5 production model) is Omega-Micro....it utilizes an extraordinarily fragile foil. It's comparative gauge is too delicate for the current output of the Cooker, and would most certainly require a step-down resistive adaptor to accommodate that gauge. This solution would work, but no one has ordered such a custom adaptor, nor has anyone ordered an adaptor for their Stealth cables. And it wouldn't be that difficult to make....the adaptor would connect to the load end of the interconnect, and the male end (of the adaptor) simply inserted into one of the input RCA's on the chassis.

I spoke directly with Sergei more than 3 years ago, about utilizing the Cable Cooker with his products. Many of his cables, at the time, would have performed well and without incident....others, like the PGS, would not, as again the very fine conductors could not take the 120 milliamperes of steady-state current. The solution would be, and is, to create a step-down RCA adaptor to facilitate this requirement. The proper resistive formula is a simple matter of mathematics, and one that Sergei figured out in his head on the spot. We discussed building him a custom Cooker that would accommodate his specific needs and step-down requirements, but we never went further.

I absolutely agree that customers should contact a given manufacturer for guidance, especially when there are any doubts as to the compatibility (with the multiplex signal of the Cooker) and their given design or material compliment. I offer this very caveat with customers as S.O.P., and in fact discuss the issue directly with cable manufacturers when needed. When in doubt, always ask the question. 99% of the time, the concerns are groundless, and direct explanations of the signal compliment inform both the manufacturer and customer.

Audiofeil, sorry....I was using the 'collective' we, and should have been more specific. As far as your point about "some cables", I felt more explanation was in order as to *why* those cables should not be Cooked, but there is also a solution with custom step-down adaptors. That there is more to this subject than simply saying "don't do that" was my point.