Linn Sondek LP-12 happy/un-happy owners


I am considering the purchase of a new LP-12 and I here from both sides. Some say they are forever out of adjustment and they are a terrible TT. The dealer says that the adjustment problem is true of the old but has been resolved. Some owners say that they wouln't have anyother TT. What is the consenus of the AudioGoners that have owned a LP-12?
theo

Showing 3 responses by cwlondon

I have not used a turntable in years, but I once had an LP12 for 2 or 3 years. I never liked it, I never enjoyed using it and I was happy when I sold it.

Perhaps it was never set up correctly in the first place, but the very tweakiness of its set up and suspension never made me feel very comfortable.

I found it sensitive to vibration and footfalls, and positively dowdy in its appearance and operation.

Linn's insistence on using what appears to be an ordinary, perhaps even cheap, felt mat on the platter was always symbolic to me of this quirky, voodoo product.

Like flyingred, I had some excellent experiences with direct drive turntables including a Kenwood KD-500 with an SME III arm and Grado Signature cartridges.

I also had a Yamaha PX-2 (praised in another recent thread) that was great sounding with several different cartridges including a Dynavector Ruby, Grado signatures and a Monster Alpha Genesis 1000 moving coil, back in my audiophile youth heyday.

If everything Linn says about turntable design is true, than these turntables should not sound good. Yet both of these tables kept me up listening well into the night, something that never happened with my LP12.

To be fair to Linn, I once heard an LP12 with the outboard power supply, with Linn arm and Linn cartridge, through Naim electronics and driving the original Linn Kan, sound very good and very musical.

But in general, these products never lived up to the cult like devotion and hype that they have somehow inspired in some people.

For my next turntable, I think a Michell Gyrodec SE would be a far sexier and I suspect very good sounding turntable, with any decent arm and a Denon 103 moving coil for some old fashioned analogue magic.

Whatever you decide -- good luck.
Patrick aka Lugnut

Apologies if my post was indirectly, unintentionally damning of some of your tastes and preferences, but no need to be defensive. I was just trying to answer Theo's question honestly from my experience with an LP12.

And I am by no means a plug and play guy. I tinkered endlessly with my direct drive machines -- tonearm cables, record clamps, platter pads, changing the viscosity of the dampling fluid in the SME III, tweaking vertical azimuth - you name it.

But my LP12 just never did much for me, and my suspicion and curiosity increased against the background of cult like devotion and brainwashing stories I heard from Linn salespeople while - I mean whilst - living in London.

Again, I think the whole Naim/UK/Linn thing has a very musical, enjoyable style when set up correctly.

But to me it was never quite up to the hype or price tag, at least for new equipment.

If you love your system, that's great and I wish you continued happiness from it.
re "hit and miss trial and error"

psychological research suggests that variable rewards are much more compelling than a steady predictable payoff

apparently, this explains why gambling is such a vicious addiction and why people stay in abusive relationships hanging on the edge of their seat for a morsel of affection

perhaps this also explains why people tinker with unreliable vintage cars and LP 12s

Theo

I will also confess that, as an AUDIOphile, I love the gear as well as the music.

So fit, finish, ergonomics, rarity, build quality, materials and the silkiness of operation all contribute (or detract) from my pleasure in owning any particular component

Here, too, with no disrepect to Lugnut or any other Linn fans, the LP 12 was never a favourite.