Life of KT 150 Tubes


Auris audio Mono Block -Forte 150 uses Two KT150 for power output for each monos, Very strangely a both amps popped the KT 150 same time. I can vouch it had less than 1000 hours in 2 years as I have NAIM NAC 252/NAP 300 in the same room. I tested the tubes and one is 100% dead and the rest have very marginal life. With great difficulty I have ordered four new tubes. Would any of you know why this would have happened, in the sense bath amps not working at the same time? I am trying to get hold of Auris in Serbia. Even a good Valve tech will not open the unit without schematics and Auris wouldn’t provide one. I am in Canada. There are 2 authorized service center in the US. When crated both amp weighs 94 Kgs.Not easy to ship. I tried with a borrowed set of TUBES , there is no Biasing at all,mA reads 0, but there is signal coming in and VU display lights up. 

Lesson learnt well not to buy equipment that is hard to service. I bought this even before there was a dealer in canada. I tried contacting the distributor Motet in Toronto. They are telling me to contact Dealer in Edmonton 300Km away. He never sold me the unit, why would he have any interest if he didn’t make any money on this unit? The unit cost $16,800 USD. Any advise what I should do?

vishu

Showing 5 responses by larryi

grossman616,

I think the original poster explained that after one channel failed, he moved the tubes to the other monobloc amp and suffered the same failure. This means a bad tube in the first amp.  Whether or not that amps themselves are damaged is not clear, because he did not report trying the good set of tubes in either amp.  In any case, this is a good example for the practice of NOT swapping tubes when an amp goes down--you could be exporting damage to the other amp or channel if the tube failure is also causing damage.  The original poster also mentioned a faint burnt smell which pretty much rules out the failure being limited to the tubes themselves.  That smell means that, at the very least, a resistor blew (common mode of failure, my friend says cathode resistors also act as fuses, and does not consider that failure to be much more of a bother than changing fuses).

Faint burnt smell means something inside the amp went bad, probably a resistor burnt up.  That could be caused by a tube going bad.  Moving the bad tube to the other amp would then cause the other amp to go bad.  I never do the switch tube around test for power tubes because that can damage the other amp (or channel in a stereo amp).  It is far better, when something goes wrong with a tube amp, to first have the tubes tested.  

The sort of good news is that is that the most common failure-a resistor going bad-should be relatively easy to fix by a competent technician, even if the technician doesn't have the schematic.  Perhaps you could persuade the technician to have a go even without the schematic.

The Amplitrex is so easy to use and it does not require much time at all to use.  It has a warm up cycle that is timed for the particular tube being tested so that the tube would be measured when reasonably warmed up.  I would not want a tesster to be "fast" if that means measuring before the tube has been warmed up.

 

A local dealer that exclusive deals in tube equipment often sees repeated early tube failure and the kind of failure described here where there is also damage to the amp from the same customers while other customers running the same model of amp do not have such problems.  Most often it is from excessive voltage coming into the customer's home.  He has equipped those customers with voltage regulation to drop the voltage to some more reasonable level.

I hope all goes well on your road trip to the dealer.  The good thing about tube gear is that pretty much everything is repairable, and because the circuit is relatively simple, the cost should not be very high.  The exception would be something that damages the output transformers (very unlikely) or the power transformer (more likely, but still not that likely--the fuse should prevent that outcome).  I don't know if the dealer can do a while you are there kind of repair; let's hope that is the case and you don't have to have the amps shipped or you don't need a return road trip.