Lets talk dedicated lines


About a year ago I installed a dedicated 20 amp line for my system...and went as far as modding the whole power structure from the street transformer to my panel to my house...at some fairly major expense. The result was certainly an improvement for my system.
Recently i got to thinking that a lot of us have a system that utilizes the standard 15amp line that more than likely only supplies one other component in our rooms...and that is the lights. While lights can be noisy on the system, particularly if they are halogens, then this is a source of considerable hash and noise. However, since the only other thing shared by this line are the lights...and not the more power hungry grabbing stuff..like the refrigerator, or the Ac etc, then simply playing the system in the dark should essentially allow for a dedicated line effect to materialize on the gear that is attached to this line as well. The standard room convenience outlet( which is what we are talking about here) is 15 amp breaker protected and is only supplying the lights and the convenience outlet in a room....so ( assuming that this is the case--and the lights are the only thing supplied besides the outlet) what is the real advantage to the 'true' dedicated line ? Twenty amps is more than a lot of auto gear needs, so I doubt that is the issue...thoughts?
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Like MC, it contains an additional grounding conductor, although with this type of cable it is permissible to use the metal jacket as the safety grounding conductor, as required with isolated ground installations.
Not exactly... The armor alone is not considered an effective equipment grounding conductor. There is a (bare aluminum bonding strip) that runs straight along side the three tightly spiral twisted insulated conductors.
(The white insulated neutral conductor, the green insulated equipment grounding conductor, and the black insulated Hot conductor.)


Look closely at the two pictures in the Link provided. Look for the cable with a, white, green, and black, insulated conductors. Look closely for the bare aluminum bonding strip.
http://www.afcweb.com/ac-hcf-armored-cables/hcf-lite-aluminum-health-care-facilities-cable/

Click onto "specifications" for data sheet.

Jim
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@ volumizer

I am not sure exactly what good is the testing that was done in the link you provided.
The white paper did not address anything about a voltage that may/will be induced onto the equipment grounding conductor using the 12/3 with ground cable from the two current carrying conductors. Therein the Hot and neutral current carrying conductors. Any voltage on the equipment grounding conductor may/can cause a ground loop and hum.

It all has to do with the way the cable is designed/constructed.

Also worth noting allowing the third insulated conductor (red insulated conductor) to float above ground could have two effects. For one it may have an induced voltage placed on it from either of the hot or neutral current carrying conductors which then may induce a voltage onto the equipment grounding conductor. Second the floating above ground insulated wire may act as an antenna.

Here is a white paper from a well respected EE.
https://centralindianaaes.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/indy-aes-2012-seminar-w-notes-v1-0.pdf
See page 16. Read pages 31 thru 36.

As for the use of a 3 wire + ground cable here is a quote from a white paper from Middle Atlantic Products. The Company is now owned by Legrand.

AC Power Wiring Types (cont’d)

Metal Clad (MC) is manufactured in both steel and aluminum with twisted conductors that help reduce AC magnetic fields. Although the steel jacket helps reduce AC magnetic fields, the twisting of conductors has the greatest effect on reducing these fields. Another benefit is the constant symmetry of the phase conductors with respect to the grounding conductor which greatly reduces voltage induction on the grounding wire. (NEC article:330)

Two conductor plus 1 ground MC (Metal Clad)is a good choice for Non-Isolated Ground A/V systems. MC cable contains a safety grounding conductor (wire). The three conductors in the MC cable (Line, Neutral and Ground) are uniformly twisted, reducing both induced voltages on the ground wire and radiated AC magnetic fields. The NEC article 250.118 (10)a prohibits the use of this cable for isolated ground circuits because the metal jacket is not considered a grounding conductor, and it is not rated for fault current.

Two Conductor plus 2 ground MC (Metal Clad)may be used in an Isolated Ground installation, because the cable contains two grounding conductors (one for safety ground and one for isolated ground). The conductors are twisted, but the average proximity of the hot conductor and the neutral conductor with respect to the isolated grounding conductor is not equal. Under load, this will induce a voltage along the length of the isolated ground wire, partially defeating the intent of isolation (see Ground Voltage Induction section of this paper)
https://info.legrandav.com/l/71782/2018-12-14/7zh25n

Note the third paragraph. Same principals would apply for 3 conductor plus ground cable.


Though the quote is for MC (Metal Clad Cable) the same tests hold true for NM sheathed cable. (Romex is a Trade Name of NM cable).


Also note the chart on page 13 for the best type of wiring and method to use.



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For those that think they need to use an IG (Isolated Ground) type grounding duplex receptacle.

Quote from Middle Atlantic Products white paper link above.

Armor Clad for Healthcare Facilities

(AC-HCF) Aluminum Armor Clad for Healthcare Facilities (AC-HCF) is the best choice for Isolated Ground A/V systems. Like MC, it contains an additional grounding conductor, although with this type of cable it is permissible to use the metal jacket as the safety grounding conductor, as required with isolated ground installations. The biggest benefit is that the average proximity of the hot conductor and the neutral conductor with respect to the isolated equipment grounding conductor is nearly equal, virtually eliminating ground voltage induction (GVI), even on long runs.

Steel Armor Clad for Healthcare Facilities (AC-HCF) Similar to aluminum armor clad AC-HCF, but does not address ground voltage induction as effectively as aluminum(see Ground Voltage Induction section of this paper). Two other problems are that steel clad is not readily available and is cumbersome to transport and install.

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kymanor118 posts  

03-05-2020  
 9:23pm   

We all know the benefits of dedicated lines, so what is this all about?

Best practices....
Hopefully to better understand the type of branch circuit wiring used and the best method used for installing it.

Jim.
@ danvignau

Here is an older white paper for a circuit breaker. The trip curve/requirements for current manufactured Thermal-Magnetic (T-M) breaker are still the same.

Note you can continuously load a T-M breaker to 100% of its’ handle rating and it will not trip if it is operating at its’ designed specs. (Continuous is defined as three hours or more).

https://goodsonengineering.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/CircuitBreakerMyths_web.pdf

Jim.