Leaving equipment on continuously does not turn me on. A broader outlook, and just saying.
How long will you keep your new gear?
How do you feel about global warming?
How confident are you leaving other appliances on all day and night?
How would you feel if your house burnt down?
Do you just don’t bother thinking about any of the above?
Ignorance is bliss but plain stupid.
Keeping new gear on all the time is low risk. The “so far so good” syndrome like a guy falling off a skyscraper overheard as he was falling saying “so far so good” The older it gets, incrementally it becomes a higher risk of becoming a fire hazard.
All our electrical items on standby or left on 24/7 add to the greenhouse effect for you and more importantly, your offspring in the future. Maybe considered a selfish act for your short term gain, poo pooing it a finger up to society….”It doesn’t bother me much”
Would you not turn other products you own completely off such as a computer, TV or washing machine for example if you are not going to use them for some time?
Ask your local fire officer how he views leaving multiple electrical items on for years on end and how safe they remain as they get older. Even more important is how would your insurers view this in a fire related claim if you are 100% honest…. “Oh shucks l never turned that (seat of the fire) amplifier off even when l was not at home” or as stated by one poster on here. “I did this with my amp lasted 30 years!”
l just can’t get my head around people unconcerned or ignorant, sticking their heads in the sand for the sake of a weeny bit more sound quality. If you “leave on” ask yourself… do l turn it off when l go on vacation for two weeks? If you do turn it off, why? What is the difference? Why do you do that?
l warmed up to the fact long ago that leaving unnecessary gear on is dangerously short sighted or stupid, so for me it is just plain illogical.
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@grannyring ”What does this have to do with the topic?”
l think you missed the point. My point was not leaving electrical devices on unnecessarily.
Refrigerators left on yes, the nature of the beast. Every electrical appliance is a risk factor. In London a refrigerator caused a fire in a housing complex, Grenfell Tower. 70 lives lost that night.y
Yes again with global warming, arguably self destruction with the jury more in than out. That was only part of the debate regarding wasted power, it’s not all cleanly generated like wind or hydro-electric.
@mulveling Good points posted on what you believe “should be kept OFF” 👍
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Turn off or leave on 2. The benefits of from the off starts.
Manufacturers and dealers will always say “keep it turned on” as gear sounds better warmed up. We all know it is mostly true. They want us all to be happy with our purchase’s every time and want revisits buying more stuff further up the price line. They will not want to be involved however if your place burns to the ground afterwards.
Said on here….
”Standby mode keeps the solid-state circuitry of the amplifier in a reduced power mode, maintaining excellent performance benefits while consuming little power”
Hmmm…. Another way of looking at this…
Leaving any car engine turned on keeps the engine warm in the reduced power idle mode, maintaining excellent “from the off” benefits while consuming little petrol.
Everything wears out from when you first start using it, and if you continually use it. Electrical components permanently turned on is not guaranteed to extend their life.
Another thought….. Have you ever added up the wattage of all the electrical devices in your home on permanent standby mode? There may be a big surprise as to how much power idles away with your energy bills.
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@grannyring ”conveniences come with risks”
I note your points, thank you. No offence intended.
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@gano The Hots
l just came back from Lanzarote and it was hotter in England. Most Americans think of England being rain and green fields. Parts of the UK are officially becoming drought areas.
People are flying out to Continental Europe seeking the heat and Sun. The mind boggles. It’s turning into an upside down World
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@jomace
Why not (as it’s on) ask the computer what it thinks is best practice?
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@aewarren “Treat your SS equipment like an old lady’s dress. Once it’s on, leave it on”
The comment above, are you trying to drop us a gentle hint about your life style choice?
To run/burn us in gently?
No judgments from me, it’s a free World 🤐
What do you think @grannyring ?
@vair68robert l think you could be called an energy champion. $155 is quite a hit for an 85 watt amplifier being left on for a year and just for one piece of gear.
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@gano
This site is so educational.
Dresses allow for more air around your instruments of your own intimate personal system. During hot weather dresses are a considerable asset to the “nether regions”
Think of it as a part of a room treatment dressing solution.
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@spenav
Have you not heard of the butterfly effect? If not look it up, research it a little. Lots of little things all mount up.
Refrigerators are required to be left on, a fact of life.
The car example was an ironic comparison to make people think. I see it worked on you. It was not like your car engine “doing serious work” It was not meant to be taken seriously.
Manufacturers want you to buy more of the same, it’s called sales marketing and supply and demand. Some manufacturers intentionally build in operational redundancy (like mobile phones), but that’s another subject.
l will ask my stepson about equipment related fires in the UK. He is a chief fire officer Commander for the new Hinckley Point 2 Nuclear Power Station under construction, and the Trident submarines laid up in Plymouth over here in the UK. Will that do?
It should not be considered a swear word to use stupid, ignorant or the like and l do not address these to any individuals. I’m sorry if you may possibly find my “handle” mylogic in anyway confrontational, but if you do l suggest you are maybe the child here.
My opinions are mine alone and in my opinion only based only on what l believe.
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@invalid ”we shouldn’t even be listening to stereo equipment, it’s not a necessity”
invalid logic, l love it. Let’s not do anything ever again and go back to living in a cave. All sorted
@gano invalid has got something there….. Wait a minute, l take it back. He said “if global warming was so dire” ??
It is dire.
l am still optimistic (just) in believing that this often quoted solution is still viable….. “Necessity is the mother of invention”
@hilde45 “It works in many places not stuck in binary ruts” l agree with your last post as it applies so well with the quote above.
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Invalid question above
Oil is okay with no other choices.
Coal was okay before oil (dirtier and less efficient than oil)
Wood burning fires since the dawn of man and out of necessity were okay (new wood burning fires installed in the home by choice today, not such a good idea)
Going forward it is a question of using less carbon fuels, and everyone is capable of contributing to a solution.
Choices that can be made today.
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@invalid
As l said, oil is okay with no other choices.
Your last question to me in unanswerable.
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The above is a fair example of my example. Choices… Are you problem or solution orientated, or even care?
Burning the midnight oil, but in another guise…. A serial power killer.
Let’s leave all the lights on too. Saves turning them off and on again.
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@aewarren ”…my neighbours system sounds better when it’s turned off”
l know the feeling. I even think along similar lines with some of my neighbours TV’s.
Often the sound is so bad they sometimes have the subtitles on, and the picture quality is mediocre. Why do they leave their sets on the factory/show room “vivid” default settings? Bright pink faces and no deep blacks give the game away. The bigger the screens the worse it gets. It seams to never enter their minds to go onto the picture menus.
It is beyond reason how bad straight out of the box, plug and play televisions can look like.
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@au_lait ”My cello preamp has no switch”
In the UK we have switches on our 13amp sockets as a British Electrical Standard, so it’s not a problem isolating your preamp if over here. I know the US has 110v with normally no switches at the plug for on and off. It sounds a little bit crazy to us Brits if we buy equipment with no on/off switch to not be able to isolate the unit without pulling a plug from the wall.
l know it’s completely safe to just push in and pull out a 110v plug and that is not part of the discussion. I am talking about pure convenience and the options for gear with no on/off. I think that gear made for the American market should logically, and for ease of use, be manufactured with on/off switches.
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@russwill “My amplifier does not have a standby mode. If it did l would use it”
Obviously my last post is irrelevant if equipment is plugged in and left on forever, but as you say, having more user options are plus points.
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@au_lait “…. the heat but also the electrical bill”.
As @vair68robert said previously in the earlier days of this discussion…..
A single amplifier at the national average KWh rate, consuming just 85w powered on amounts to $166 a year.
Your Alephs draw 500w each. Good job you turn them off.
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@nutty “Naim recommends …. 24/7”
Nothing against Naim (their sales slogan, “You are nothing without a Naim” was however pure nonsense) but manufacturers will swing or exploit anything to sell their products. Market perception is easily tweaked.
Yes, one amplifier left on will only have a minute minimal effect on the environment. However, if we all multiply that “effect” exponentially with trillions of products on standby then the “effect” becomes huge. For Naim to say this is not a good sales pitch. Maybe they could be honest and put in a disclaimer and say, “With so many Naims burning natural resources unnecessarily, we could add to and end up with no one having any names”
We are all by our individual choice’s either become a problem, or a solution.
l leave you with two very important and getting closer words…. “Tipping Point”
The title of a 1970s Moody Blues album springs to mind, “A Question of Balance”
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Typical reactionist answer.
A man has got to know his limitations.
My dad had a gun. He was a Bombardier with a 3 mobile Bofers anti aircraft unit. When there were no Luftwaffe left to shoot down he was asked to shoot snipers out of bell towers with high explosive rounds. When the war was over he put away the gung-ho boyish childish things and led a decent life. He was a hero serving in three theatres of war. He taught his 3 kids family values.
l bet my dad could beat your dad.
l have 1 wife, 2 houses, 3 cars* and 4 hard earned pensions and a life and attitude which l would never want to compare with yours: but l did have an air riffle pop gun and a 100cc Yamaha in my youth.
*Obviously l can only drive one at a time
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A very interesting perspective. I have friends who emigrated to Virgina, Sascathewen who now live among many Ukrainians. Lot of respect there for these people who escaped barbarism during the last century, who had very little, and carved out a future in a difficult terrain that not many wanted to live in. They would l think all agree with you as they lived off the land and the forest, just like they did in Ukraine.
A Question of Balance….
At last a voice of reason.
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@mahgister
A typo… “Saskatchewan” Canadian Province.
My friend is a plumber (and Red Cross volunteer) who married a Canadian nurse while she was on a years secondment to a hospital in the UK.
He was a first generation Pole over here as his father escaped from a POW camp and joined the Polish Army in England, then to go back and fight in Italy and Normandy. He settled in England to escape Communism.
It all goes to show what a small world we live in.
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@ozzy62 “My attitude depends on you”
Perhaps l should apologise and say that “knee jerk reaction” may have been more accurate.
You sound like a really nice guy now, but that may depend on your attitude now, to me.
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@bolong ”l always keep my knives sheathed on”
You sound like a turned on guy.
If your knives are of the Crocodile “Dundee” type they can still be useful.
You can unsheathe them, not threateningly, make a cross and (not for the lighthearted) do on your toes over them, the famous “Highland Fling”
Now that would make you look so “cool”, depending on your “execution” (of the dance) of course, or if you inadvertently slip
The choice is yours.
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