Lack of depth problem


Can someone please give me suggestions on how I can improve the sound depth of my system? I recently upgraded my speakers to Focal JMLabs Alto Utopia, but they still lack of depth. They have wide and tall sound stage though.

The room is about 15' wide by 9' tall, and 23' long. The speakers are 5' from their rear wall and the seating area is 17' from that wall. The room is lightly treated with sound panels.

Thanks in advance.
vett93

Showing 6 responses by rodman99999

What are you driving them with? There are a lot of amps that allow no sound stage depth(few SS amps will). My Cary monoblocks will, and that depth increases dramically with the right driver tubes. There are more variables than just the speakers. Lots of things get in the way of ambience recovery(amp/pre/source/tubes/cables). Your room dimensions sound really nice for audio. Is there anything between the speakers? How far apart are they? Did you have much depth with the system before changing the speakers? This CD contains some tracks that are excellent diagnostic tools for setting up your system: (http://www.chesky.com/core/details.cfm?productcode=JD037&category=1)
I should have mentioned in my previous post that there are two tests that will aid you specifically in the placement of your speakers(on the Chesky disc). The LEDR, explained here: (http://www.stereophile.com/features/772/index.html) and the "Acoustic Soundstage (Depth) Test".
Vett93- You mention having your Counterpoint "voiced". Was it converted to 6SN7 drivers? If not: what 6922 type drivers do you have in it? Do you know anyone that would loan you a tubed amplifier for an audition?
Hello Vett93: I've used the VT-231(IF it's the bottom getter tube from the 40's), and it is an excellent tube with regard to clarity, imaging, dynamics, etc. Actually I'm saving them for back-ups now. I did find more depth of stage with the Sylvania 6SN7W(tall bottle), but the champ for depth is the TungSol JAN CTL/6SN7GT(round plate). The back wall seems to receed about 4-5ft further with that than the VT231(in my modded Carys). All three of those tubes possess the same clarity/slam/imaging/extension/definition/lack of any grain or colorations. If the MOS-FETs of your amp were replaced with bi-polars, that could also affect your depth negatively, as they don't seem to pass ambience info as well(and much less than tubed outputs do). How long ago was the amp modded, and with what caps? Is it completely "burned in"(some caps, ie: V-Caps, take much longer to adjust themselves than others)? Any chance of borrowing a tubed output amp for a sound stage experiment? I would also say(from a distance) that your room is fine, all except for the TV between the speakers. I would, however, be certain to set up the speakers in such a way as to place your listening position a distance equal to(or just slightly greater than) the distance of the speakers, one to another. Then aim the tweeters just outboard of directly at you ears.
Speaking of bass: depending on where those subwoofers are in relation to the mains- a time shift can screw up your sound stage also. There's a lot a ambience info in the bottom octaves. Try moving them into alignment with the mains as an experiment.