Krell amps and Tube Preamps - enemies?


Wow! I never realized how difficult it would be to add tubes with a KRELL amp. I'm no engineer, and, I don't pretend to be into the "technical" side of the audio world. So I'll try to explain.

It seems that tube Preamps create DC. I've been told that DC will dammage my Krell amp (FPB400cx), and possibly my speakers(Tyler Acoustics Linbrook Sig, System 1 piece). UNLESS, I open the amp up and do something to the "jumpers on the digital board" . This puts some protection into the signal path. The Bad thing is, I'm told, - it also colors or degrades the audible signal coming thru the speakers. So, if I want to use my SS set up, say for SACD or DVD-V/DVD-A, I would have to open the amp up again and reverse the proceedure. This would remove the "blockage" in the signal path. :-( This of course, would have to be re-done when I want to go back to the tube setup. WHAT A PAIN!

Needless to say, this has thrown the proverbial 'wet blanket' on my tube enthusiasm. Is this problem common to ALL SS amps? Or is it just a KRELL thing?

Any thoughts would be helpful.
(This is part of a thread i started on the speaker threads, but i thought i might have more luck here on the "amp' Threads)
Thanks
oldpet

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Will the manufacturers say if their products "leak" DC? It doesn't seem to be something a company would want to admit.
So to be safe the jumpers SHOULD BE MOVED. Right? How does this effect the sound of the amp? Anybody know of a SS preamp that sounds like a tube preamp?
thanks
Paul
Wvick - I think dammage DOES occur. I'm not sure what exactly happens, and I don't want to 'experiment' with my Krell.

Newbee - Thanks for the second BTW :-) I might just try a Tubed CDP. I wonder if the (Modded Exemplar, APL) 3910's counts as a tubed cdp?

Nickt - Great Idea. I haven't bought one yet. (good thing I suppose)
But I was considering an ARC "LS" or "SP" 16 (not sure of the difference) or a Cary SLP 2002. I'll contact them to see what they say. Thanks
Rooze - Where did you get the instructions on how to do the operation? Why does Krell NOT ship the amps with the protection?
Thanks Rooze, will do. I figure, the worst that can happen is, I'll have to change it back if i don't like it. Of course, I'll try it with my SS stuff, BEFORE I buy the tube pre. I was thinking of the ARC LS16.....or maybe a p-12A, H-CAT. If i go the H-CAT route then this all becomes a moot point since the p-12A is a SS design. I Think? hmmm.......
Rwwear - thanks for the technical info. :-) What type of meter? And what should the 'safe' readings be?
Rwwear - thanks for your help. I just tried a tubed pre and found that the bass was simply insufficient. I'm returning it asap.

Does anyone know of a tubed pre amp that - 1. Doesn't leak DC. and - 2. has GOOD bass response?

thanks
pt
Tvad - thanks the First Sound Presence Deluxe II is a bit mor then i wanted to spend. I didn't want to go above 1500. maybe I'm kidding myself.

paul
Tvad/Sogood51 - Tvad - Good point. I need to be patient. I also need to find out about the DC situation.

Dave - Thanks of the tip. Do you happen to know if they leak DC? If you used one with a Krell they probably don't. Single ended is not an issue; I've had custom cables made. ;-)
Well, sirspeedy. Why don't you give all of us stupid people an exhaustive list of SS and tube gear, which will match well with each other. So then we won't have to exchange ideas with one another any more.
Tvad - Just a follow up to your First Sound recommendation. Emmanuel designs them so there is NO DC LEAKAGE! YAY!!!
I suppose the search/ wait now begins. Thanks again for the recommendation.

Paul
Tvad - if it sounds the way it is described in the review i read - I'll live with out a remote. :-) Especially if i can grab one in the price range you mentioned. :-) The "wanted" is running.
John_tracy
I don't know anything about the amorphous core transformers, but if they work that's the only thing that matters. I'm curious as to where you got the pre amp, and the approx. price range. Thanks

pt
Rwwear
It's funny that you have an FPB 600c. In my continuing research on Tube preamps, Tvad, on this thread mentioned the First Sound Presence Deluxe II. So, I contacted Emmanuel Go. He (Emmanuel) LOVES his Presence Deluxe II design with Krell amps. He had personal experience with the 600c and his design and absoluteley RAVED about the combination! So, his designs are safe to use with Krells. I'm looking for one, but I'm trying to wait to see If I can get one used before I would spring for a new one. Here's hoping. :-)
John/Mike - thanks for the info John. It looks very interesting. Did you need to do any soldering?

Mike - Is the CAT a tube pre?

thanks
paul
Well gang. I figured I might add some thoughts to this thing I started. There are, after all, several tube preamps which, by design, do not leak DC. (Yay!!!! For all the Krell owners out there.)
I am one day away from taking delivery on a new First Sound, Presence Deluxe MkII. It doesn't leak DC. The designer, Emmanuel Go, through his own experience with krell amps, says that Krell and his preamps are a match made in heaven. Who am I to dispute him :-) Tomorrow we'll see. Thanks to all who contributed.

pt
hi Dave - NO! I was tracking the delivery from ups. (scares me to begin with) and the Pre was "rescheduled" for delivery to 3/24! Six days past the original delivery date! What's up with that? How does that happen? Emmanuel Ships the unit - it has a delivery date - then suddenly the date is move back 6 days. I don't understand. Any ideas? Thanks for asking Dave. Now I'm keeping my fingers crossed for a safe arrival. I'll let you know.

Paul