Klipsch Cornwall IV

@roxy54 

remember, we are all best off if we don't feed the trolls

cheers

when are people going to learn... volume control position has little to do with when signals overload or amps clip

it is about impedance match and relative sensitivities 

it is nice that speakers like these exist, and are (relatively) affordable

each special in its own way, spectacular in how it pushes the right buttons of certain listeners

in an enthusiast undertaking and community, excellence is the key, mediocrity and commoditization are the enemy... excellence creates interest, passion, and most importantly, brings more people in and captivates them

spatials orangutans and c4’s all rather diametrically opposed in how they radiate sound, fill up a space with music, and thus appeal to different peoples sense of what music should sound like based on their own frames of reference and past experiences

it would be very cool to have an even handed, objective comparison of devore 0-96 vs cw4 vs top spatial like x5 or even m3...  hard to make happen i suspect...

just saw these pop up on usam

not 4's but maybe at a friendlier cost of entry...

https://www.usaudiomart.com/details/649730309-klipsch-cornwall/

in general, speaker placement (and subwoofer placement, as appropriate) relative to room boundaries and the listening area is a key variable that each owner can play with ad infinitum... different positionings are one of the best offers in our pursuit -- cost free endless trials in the sanctuary of your own home  :)

some speakers need room to breathe, others can use some boundary reinforcement for bass frequencies, some are best heard near field, others need some distance for driver integration... and so on

it just takes commitment, effort, fortitude, patience (and is some cases, a strong back and a willing accomplice!)... but getting it right is its own, substantial reward -- you finally get what you paid for when you shelled out the long green to buy all the gear !!!

@jbhiller

I don’t think music is authored on inexpensive amps and gear. In fact, the studios I’ve been to all had hundreds of thousands of dollars of gear. Not a cheap amp to be found.
Certainly live venues might be using Crown and inexpensive amps for playback.

you are absolutely correct in my experience

people conflate equipment used in recording and mastering (absolutely excellent gear) with gear used in conventional playback (heavy duty industrial stuff like crown amps giant p-a horns etc etc) in mass audience venues

an example is in 2006 i bought an audio research v70 tube amp, with high grade foil capacitors and rca/mullard old stock tubes handwound output transformers etc etc - this was the amp that for years powered the recording/playback monitors in david chesky’s nyc (formerly rca radio city) recording studio from when he launched the grammy winning boutique label... all those lovely recordings on lp and cd we bought by sara k, paquito d-rivera, ana caram, and remasterings of phil woods clark terry badi assad etc etc... this amp was used to for mixing and final voicing!!!... it is lovely amp, utterly pure and grainless, full of air and timbral accuracy - if anything it is too accurate, midrange sounds maybe just a touch lean for my tastes - but i still have that amp as a keepsake

i am with roxy on this

the better your source and your speakers, the more you hear the difference an amp makes

not subtle... leave aside good tube amps, even in the solid state world, guys like nelson pass john curl and bent holter have not been stealing deaf people’s money all these years with thousands of units sold

there may be some marketing going on, but that does not mean there is not real substance and quality differences underneath it

i cannot speak for older/smaller/lesser models in the line, but in my experience, the spatial m3 sapphires deliver absolutely world class, full, powerful, tuneful, deep, airy bass -- it is the towering strength of the speaker -- if someone has these spatials and lacks bass, there is a serious problem with room/placement or some other significant implementation issue

So...... It sounds like people are saying I should hear them before I buy them?

said that in the 2nd reply to your post... page 1 🤔

but hey... it’s only money... and it’s a journey... something to be said for living dangerously 😷

i too wonder about comparison to o/96 or even o/93

i have heard earlier cornwalls not the iv version...to my ear, live-sounding for sure but highly colored, honky horn nature in the midrange and upper bass area, slight rasp/grit to treble leading edges... lil hard to believe the new speaker is a ’whole new deal’ as some proponents espouse... not to knock it as i just haven’t heard it, and am not motivated to try it in my own system but i just wonder when i read the posts

been burned and disappointed by so many purported solutions over the years to the full range dynamic speaker driven by sweetie pie flea watt amps

imho all klipsch heritage models must be heard in person by any other audiophile/hifi lover who has not had them -- they are an acquired taste, very different than most others in what they offer and how they present the music