Jazz for aficionados

Pjw, you posted some complex jazz that requires serious listening. I'm going to pipe it to my listening room and listen.

Rok, I understand where you're coming from even when the Frogman doesn't.

Rok, that's an incredible compilation you have. I may have them separately on different records, but if not, I'll order that one.

Many of the links I posted on film tracks are well known and I know you have some of them; I'm looking for tracks that are almost unknown, and I may not be able to find them.

Pryso, that music you submitted was a real treat for me, I have very little West Coast in my collection, and most certainly not the best.

West Coast came and went very fast. One must have the ability to go back in time to when it was current to thoroughly enjoy it. Instead of "Hippies", the people of that genre were called "Beatniks"; it's like almost everything happened in the late 50's and ended in the very early 60's, that's a short life span.

My favorite was "Bud Shank", him and Bob Cooper made albums together. This was my favorite album by Bud Shank, I still have it, but it's too scratched to consider.


                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7b6O02gYEs


                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzOJcQso8Y8


The hippest and most exotic ladies wore "Black Leotards"; only those with the best figures could make the cut.


          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dv4TNJIX7g

Pjw, I saw the movie when it came out, and that is one of the best examples of West Coast jazz. Maybe I can find something to compete with that.

As I stated before, the best examples were movie sound tracks. Since the black and white movies were forgettable, I may not have any luck finding the soundtracks.

Pryso, these are the links I posted two days ago that no one commented on, maybe you or someone else can comment on them today.



        https://www.udiscovermusic.com/stories/best-jazz-soundtracks/


        http://www.tasteofcinema.com/2015/the-20-best-jazz-soundtracks-in-movie-history/

Pjw, there is no such thing as too much Anita O' Day, have fun; here's one of my favorites;


            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vN3UfVuQV8

Alex, the year is 1959, the place is Lackland AFB; it's not like you look in the paper and see what's on; it's like you and your jazz running buddy decide how to spend "offduty" time. The movies are a place to go, who cares what's on; it costs next to nothing (base movie theater). By word of mouth, someone said this movie had a boss soundtrack, let's check it out.

The West Coast happened to be where they made movies, and it also happened to be where that type of jazz originated in that time frame. Movies had to have some type of music; that meant they had to have musicians. When these musicians were given the chance to strut their stuff, that's what they did.

These were not blockbuster movies, they were grade "B" black and white movies. Rok, chime in here and let these people know what going to the base movie theater is about, and what movies you saw that you can't remember seeing.

Pjw, what makes you think that I'm unaware of what you posted by Shelly Manne?


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Before I buy any boxed set, I'll have to make certain it's not "compressed"; if the price is too good, there is that possibility.

Rok, I forgot to add the most important part; still in basic training, can not leave the base.

I can do a lot of things that a lot of people can't do Alex.

Apparently I have been grossly misunderstood; is it my fault or yours. Let us examine the sentence where the trolley jumped the tracks.

"As I stated before, the best examples were movie sound tracks. Since the black and white movies were forgettable, I may not have any luck finding the soundtracks."


The black and white movies were "B" movies and I don't recall a single one of them, but the soundtracks were fantastic.

Now how pryso interpreted that as "all" black and white movies are forgettable, I don't know? Never the less, moving right along.

My all time favorite movie happens to be "black and white"; "The Third Man".


          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9yyDEDGlr0



          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2ZWcwy12lk

BTW pryso, I was trying to illustrate the black leotards that were quite the fashion statement at that time for ladies who had the required figure, and the link stated "cheese cake".

There is something about Grant Green's music that resonates with my sub-conscious; when I hear his music, I hear St. Louis when I was young, when St. Louis was St. Louis. When I freely roamed a fascinating city where you could find like minded people whose company you enjoyed.

Grant Green belonged to St. Louis before he belonged to the world, he was one of us before he ever recorded his first LP. Unlike Miles Davis, who left early, and went to New York, and never came back, they had a hard time getting Grant Green to leave. We heard Grant at various small local lounges before he was famous, and it wasn't like he was playing to entertain us, but he was playing his music for Grant Green, and we were there enjoying the music he was playing for himself.

As I listen to this music, my mind is flooded with images of nights enjoying Grants music with friends in our most special lounge where Grant appeared professionally on the weekends, and sometime in the middle of the week he dropped in. This lounge was like his home away from home. I recall one such off night, when he came in and just played to himself while we listened; he played awhile and left. That was in 1959, just before I went into the Air Force.


        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqNhx5TYn-g&list=RDXqNhx5TYn-g&start_radio=1


        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvZl0rreNtw


        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qR9TSccJuAo


        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDfFjsUN8e4


        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ugFD8jjAcw

This might be the first time Sammy Davis Jr. has ever been mentioned on this thread. That's because he's an entertainer as opposed to being specifically a jazz singer.

Just like everyone else, I saw Sammy on TV many times, and I liked him but was not overwhelmed. It was not until I saw Sammy in the flesh was I impressed beyond belief.



A friend of mine called and told me he had two tickets to see Sammy at the Kiel Auditorium, and if I supplied the transportation, he would supply the rest.

The first thing that impressed me when we arrived at the auditorium was the fact that it was packed to capacity. (I didn't know that Sammy had that kind of drawing power) After the show opened, I discovered why he had that kind of drawing power; how could one person (with orchestra) keep an auditorium full of people mesmerized from the beginning till the end of his show; he must have been the worlds greatest entertainer ever, the man sang, danced, told jokes, and made hours pass like minutes.



        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uFA6Gh_wsw

Schubert, I really liked that Loreena McKennit GOD REST YE MERRY GENTLEMEN. At my home I don't have much choice in what Christmas music is played, but I don't mind since I prefer traditional Christmas music, and that's what is played.

Maybe you missed it Pryso, but that specific clip has been discussed. That's the only version of "Sweet Georgia Brown" that I like, it's not my favorite tune.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaFo2BJkn_4&list=PL481D048442D4DF90

Another interesting tune by Shelly Manne; Andre Previn on piano.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsLqJD8T1ys


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24w1bEOxymk


Russ Freeman on piano on the Peter Gunn LP

Schubert, in order to understand Rok, you must understand his "reality". First, I can tell you have never been to Mississippi; they have their own separate reality because they live in a separate universe. Now, every time Rok speaks, all you have to do is think about "Mississippi" and all will be perfectly clear. You just have to see everything through the "Mississippi Prism".

I haven't had time to investigate The Black Hawk Box Set.  In the past I have never liked too much music in the same groove, but that might be different.

Is the "West Coast" the best coast? It was in the late 50's.

   

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1hRh7xOR1k


        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smLzted93SM


This is my favorite version of "Bernies Tune"; Wardell Gray had something special. I had this on a red LP that you could see through, I thought that was hip.


        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vs2IBIc_9DM



No success on the movie soundtracks; kind of hard to find a soundtrack when you don't remember the movie, never the less, what I found is pretty good.


     

Schubert, I can understand your attraction for anything you shared with your late wife. It's a funny thing; my present wife is like breathing, I never think about breathing, but if I stopped breathing life would stop, if she stopped....................

Paulette Dozier is a fox, but when compared to "present day" female jazz vocalists, she won't make the cut. But shed no tears, she is a woman of many talents and won't go lacking anything.

Pjw, even if you gave me that boxed set, if it was compressed (which they don't tell you) it would be useless for me. I'm going to sift through the box set and buy individual CD's.

I got burned not along ago on a "Chico Hamilton" compilation. It had everything I wanted, and covered decades. Like a carbonated drink that's been left open too long, the "phizz" was gone. Fortunately I was able to resell it.

Pjw, it's not about the $20, it's about my critical decision making.

Schubert, I’ve decided that anyone who doesn’t know the things we know, doesn’t want to know the things we know; therefore, telling them what we know is a waste of time; especially when they can find the truth on just about anything by using their PC’s.

You can take the hoss to the water, but.....

Sir Roland Hanna went beyond the music and captured the "essence" of "In My Solitude". I must have that.


"Caravan" interesting and unusual.


He won some and he lost some; I want the one's that he won even if they go with the one's that he lost.

Rok, I've been to a lot of schools, I know a lot of things, but computers do not compute for me.

I have a computer "guru" and I call him over if I have a problem. When I ask a question, he gives me a look that says "You still won't understand it even after I explain it", and takes care of the problem.

What's with the change of heart; I posted Grover a long time ago and he was called "soul jazz" or something like that, but he wasn't the real deal according to somebody.

I'm running windows 7.

I bought this album when it came out in 72, but I have a different album cover. He has his legs crossed wearing boots similar to boots that I bought on Peach Tree Street in Atlanta; unforgettable for me.


      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1xYt0oIFtI

I have been buying his albums every since.

Pjw, without a doubt I'm going to buy discs by "Shelly Manne And His Men", but specifically with the cuts I'm looking for.

Pjw, before I went to LA , I acquired friends in the Air Force from LA, and we listened to this music fresh off the press; now all those memories are coming back. We named one of the guys in our squad "Squatty Roo"; I can see him now.


      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYeN-m4OB5A


I'm going to spend the rest of the day sifting through West Coast jazz.

Tis the season to be jolly, and I’m going to do my best. Christmas music and decorations lets everyone know what time of year it is. I always revert back to my childhood to really feel the Christmas spirit; that’s when my first stop was to see the electric trains traveling around the huge display cases in the big department stores.

I have very little jazz Christmas music because I always get out voted as to what the family listens to, and Christmas is also a family time of year. But I can still go to my listening room and play what little I have.

Kenny Burrell, "Have Yourself A Merry Christmas";


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzarjwkPPPs&list=PLA3ZS_eXWM-qmbfOBbjIqXuRGZO1dN_S0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7PfDn0KhtI&list=PLA3ZS_eXWM-qmbfOBbjIqXuRGZO1dN_S0&index=3


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LOa05d5vQo&list=PLA3ZS_eXWM-
qmbfOBbjIqXuRGZO1dN_S0&index=5



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lQGe7H0dW4&list=PLA3ZS_eXWM-qmbfOBbjIqXuRGZO1dN_S0&index=7

Rok, you're not fooling me, you're just in love with Kathleen Battle.


I know what you mean about Christmas music, that's why I don't object to the "classic, standard Christmas music" that can always be heard at our house. I want to always remember when I believed in Santa Claus, and wanted a sled for Christmas.

This is "eternal" Christmas music along with the Christmas Cards, let it snow, let it snow.


      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9ibhWgMlso&list=PLk7MlpewRSRnzt6NrygRlgJn6S9U34wOp

"Betty Bebop", what an appropriate name, I like her best when she's doing her "bebop" thing, instead of the standards.

Pjw, if you go back and forth between what you posted on page 386 (poinciana) and what I posted on page 387 "I could have danced all night"; you can hear the difference, one is clearer with more dynamic range than the other.


      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLbXPwPKfK4


Notice how clear the trumpet is on that live cut above, good CD shouldn't be any difference.

Rok, "West Coast" came and went; what we are discussing is in the past.  When I go back to that time,  (in my mental time machine) I can relate to it.

Here's another one Pjw, even on "you tube" this sounds so much better. I'm going to pass on the 4 discs and just get the individual albums.


          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WxpHeuBo2s

Pjw, West Coast is not quite in the normal lineage of modern jazz, it was developed in LA utilizing elements of modern jazz. The music developed around the California culture, which was cool and laid back.

For me, it is an alternative that requires a different "mind set". Just before you posted I was writing a post for Rok to get his evaluation of "West Coast". Now that this is included, we'll see what he has to say.

For me personally, I'm doing some serious shopping. My opinion is not to compare it to "East Coast", but to enjoy it for what it is. Rather than compare a Kiwi fruit to an apple, just enjoy whatever it is you're eating at the time.

Now that we have "You tube" I can be very selective.

Sweet Rain is very high quality and that's easy to hear. Compare it to that Black Hawk CD;


          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mvuMvT4xac

Pjw, let me answers your questions in order: I upgraded my analog so that it would be as good as my digital. Presently, I can almost flip a coin as to which is better. It goes back to the original input; which was better, the CD or the record?

No matter how good your rig is, it can not compensate for a compressed disc. Believe me, I can hear the difference, primarily because I’ve heard the same music sound better.

East Coast, West coast; they both sounded more like West Coast.

There are so many differences in uploads, that I listen to several before I choose one.

I use WAV, FLAC is a compressed lossless audio stream, WAV is uncompressed lossless audio stream. FLAC is like ZIP in audio world, you can compress/uncompress the data multiple times without any loss. But compression ratio is better than ZIP, because this compression format is tailored specifically for audio.

But if it’s compressed, it will also be compressed on "you tube", and I can tell the difference. Ultimately, I listen mostly to 2 track reel to reel at 7 1/2 speed, which is better than a vinyl record or CD.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw_hee-7R_o

While I didn’t find the exact movies, I found the music I’m referring to "Classic West Coast"; you had to have been there at that time to really dig it.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXOTKkYqxAI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hg-G0AUAYow&list=PL9GLy-Em7UEB-z6zkGXYgagXxicsME9xY&index=2



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hv0gi730q60

Thanks to Pjw, I filled that "West Coast" gap in my collection; it's on the way.


Somebody mentioned "new jazz"; this is the first time I heard that album you submitted Rok, that's new jazz to me.

Speak for your self Rok. "And that's all I'm going to say about that".

I always enjoy beautiful ladies with beautiful voices, and Betty Carter was young and beautiful then; she never sounded better.

Sophie Milman is lovely with a smooth soothing voice and just when I was getting into it, that noisy drummer distracted me.

This is the version of "Every Time we say Goodbye" I listen to; it's the one that I can see myself in the picture, and this is from one of my favorite CD's.


          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn7fGmGJUak

This is the CD I'm listening to now, and it doesn't have one bad cut; Grover Washington Jr. is the artist.

                  https://rateyourmusic.com/release/comp/grover_washington__jr_/prime_cuts___the_columbia_years__1987_...


                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPBaxwjSOGk


              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2PH5T3_BW8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rT5fYMfEUc