Jazz for aficionados
Schubert, I know you don't want to leave your beloved Minneapolis? I recall 4 feet of snow in St. Louis; I didn't leave the house, my wife worked at a hospital and they sent 4 wheel drive to pick her up, and I believe they asked her to stay overnight. In addition it was 6 below 0. When conditions are so bad that you're risking your life going anywhere, I don't know why people don't stay at home. |
I heard someone call out on a record; Fat girl! Fat girl! and I realized they were speaking of Theodore Navarro. Not even a fat girl would want to be called "Fat Girl"; much less a man who was overweight with a high squeaky voice. He tolerated it, but he didn't like it. According to Mingus, he pulled a knife on a fellow musician for calling him "Fat Girl". I believe that contributed to him becoming a heroin addict. People can be thoughtless and cruel. I like this; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbsxDOgVzFI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qey0gY1__xo |
Rok, back then, I led a double life; by day I was with the suited crowd that looked out from tall buildings at any protest with disdain, and by night I was getting high with the protesters. "Hippies" anarchy; you are an alarmist. I had two major goals; get high, and get to work on time, because if I didn't get to work, I couldn't get high. While I had beliefs, I didn't get bent out of shape about them. Today, these times are "infinitely" worse than those times. Then, there were neighborhoods to be avoided, now there are entire cities to be avoided; too many to list. Anybody who believes the unemployment figures believes in Santa Claus; there are far too many people suffering who played no part in the reason for their suffering; they were born in the wrong place at the wrong time. A number of places could be the wrong place, now is the wrong time. Some of those places are open air insane asylums. |
Rok, in those days, everybody who wanted a job had a job, the only difference being that some jobs paid more than others. There are times when I don't have a clue as to what you're talking about, but I've noticed there is always something in regard to welfare in it. "Welfare" is what makes southern whites feel superior, when in fact they are the major beneficiaries of welfare. Rok, I've read Eudora Welty, Flannery O'Conner, and William Faulkner, plus that, I've spent time in Texas, Mississippi and Georgia; not to mention that Missouri is in reality "the south"; consequently, no body knows southern "code talk" better than me. Nobody knows the desperate need for white lower middle class southerners to feel superior to Black people, and that's why you always mention "Welfare" or "Food stamps". |
Rok, it's happening; while some people are as they were 100 years ago, and they make headlines; millions of others are becoming "colorless"; that's because we all bleed red blood. We all need a roof over our heads, hot and cold running water, a refrigerator and some food to go in it. "Nobody" wants welfare; no one can compare welfare to a good job; maybe even one that's not so good. There is nothing more fundamental than a "Job". FDR understood that, why can't any of these other presidents understand that? |
Last night I listened to my old "record" A New Perspective, it sure sounded good; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tg3CBBkSss4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhDbUajSnPY |
It has come to my attention that we have neglected one of the most creative drummers for sure; "Chico Hamilton". I dedicate the first cut to you, mary_jo; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzkfYvB7D9c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31KerQ_uWvo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BJNxVf_iLM |
Schubert, I was selling real estate in 78 when Jimmy Carter was president; everything was going just fine, I was making money, people were buying houses ( 3 bedrooms, 2 car garage, 2 bath, plus entertainment room, in a nice subdivision) All of a sudden, the interest rate began going up, and it kept going up until no one could afford to buy any thing. The Fed controlled the interest rate, and Paul Volker was the chairman. He raised the rate until everything stopped dead still, nothing moved. The economy got so bad that it resulted in one suicide that I know of. That’s why Jimmy Carter didn’t get re-elected. |
If you're through with the rant, why don't you listen and make a comment on Chico Hamilton. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30lXxeCvr0I There's another one before this one that you didn't comment on. |
Rok, as you already know, there's nothing new about "Analog"; it's just "high end" analog they're referring to, and somehow all analog is supposed to sounds like that, when we know that "low end" analog's not as good as that Marantz CD player. Glad you mentioned that CD player, mine has gotten quirky. |
Rok, another reason you may not have a lot of Chico is because he was hardly ever "mainstream jazz", he was "off center"; that's what I liked about him, his music was a change of pace from the rest of my collection. The records I have are not on "you tube", nor are they on CD, and I'm not going to recommend that you get into analog, it's quite expensive. Presently I'm out of commission because I require tubes that cost $600 a pair for my phono pre. Whenever I have enough to justify that expense, I can listen to records again, but since I have them on computer hard-drive, I'm not suffering. So much for Chico, enjoy what you can find on CD. |
Every since Black slaves took over Haiti, the US has been involved to the detriment of those people. That fact is very well documented. My concern is right here, I do not wish to debate Haiti. "The opportunities are there you just have to go get them." That sounds good to me; maybe all those homeless people would rather sleep on the sidewalk without "running water" than go get those opportunities. |
However in the long run I think it was not so good. If France was still running Haiti it would not be the poorest nation in the Western Hemisphere. Over 50% of the population have no access to clean drinking water. In the long run it was not so good to free the slaves; they would still be getting fed by their masters instead of having food stamps cut. When they can't find jobs, they would not go hungry. Now they are homeless and hungry, I bet they long for they good old days of slavery. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_occupation_of_Haiti |
Pjw, I'm glad you're back recounting some of your happier experiences. I visited Cap Haitien when I was in my early 30's. We rode what are called "half asses" up the mountain to the Citadel at the top. What impressed me more than anything was the voodoo rhythms that are fused into the people, not the "dippy" music they're playing on this video. We reached an open area beside the path to the top, and stopped for beer the guide brought along (can't drink the water) There were about 7 kids playing in this clearing (ages 12 to 8) One of them was beating out voodoo rhythms on the back of a steel shovel that a work crew had left, while the others danced. I drank Heinikens, and became spellbound by the rhythms this kid was getting with a rock in each hand beating on the back of a steel shovel while the other kids danced. They moved like those dolls hung on rear view mirrors, as if their bodies didn't have bones. They were not putting on a show, this is what they did to amuse themselves. I tried to find the same rhythms at a record store there, but only found some "dippy" island music, it was as if the powers that be were ashamed of the "people's music". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sii1hyBO_uA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citadelle_Laferri%C3%A8re https://www.nbc.com/classic-tv/miami-vice/video/tale-of-the-goat/n30566 |
These people don’t have running water or electricity; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NXJAYUwlC8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BX7jM6f7aM |
"Music soothes the savage beast"; music also soothes me 24 hours a day; my computer "play list" is piping out music in my bedroom even when I'm sleep. This morning I awoke to Mr. Dave Brubeck, "Calcutta Blues", from his album "Jazz Impressions of Eurasia" which was inspired by his tour of 14 countries, including Turkey, Iran, Iraq, India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan in 1958. Track listing "Nomad" (Dave Brubeck, Iola Brubeck) – 7:23 "Brandenburg Gate" – 6:55 "The Golden Horn" – 5:02 "Thank You (Dziekuje)" – 3:35 "Marble Arch" – 6:59 "Calcutta Blues" – 9:53 Personnel Dave Brubeck – piano Paul Desmond – alto saxophone Joe Benjamin – double bass Joe Morello – drums https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7IECI9tkuE I'm sure you have it, each cut is special; I highly recommend this album. |
"Between 1911 and 1915, Haiti was politically unstable" In February 1915, Jean Vilbrun Guillaume Sam, son of a former Haitian president, established a dictatorship. Five months later, facing a new anti-American revolt, he ordered the massacre of 167 political prisoners. All of the victims were from prominent families, mostly members of the better educated and wealthier mixed-race population with German connections. "President" Sam was lynched by an enraged mob in Port-au-Prince as soon as they learned of the executions. It seems that "President" Sam was a dictator for the USA, which is why; The United States regarded the anti-American revolt against Sam as a threat to American business interests in the country, especially the Haitian American Sugar Company (HASCO). When the caco-supported anti-American Rosalvo Bobo emerged as the next president of Haiti, the United States government decided to act quickly to preserve its economic dominance. |
Rok, if you believe the accuracy and "reality" of the unemployment numbers, you believe in "tooth fairies", and Santa. (forgot, I believe in Santa) https://qz.com/877432/the-us-unemployment-rate-measure-is-deceptive-and-doesnt-need-to-be/ |
That book (Atlas Shrugged) was written in 1957, and I can not think of a more "Irrelevant" book. "The book depicts a dystopian United States in which private businesses suffer under increasingly burdensome laws and regulations." That sentence alone prevents me from even opening the book. In this corporate government with "no regulation", there is no way I'll even eat the "cold cuts" I used to love; without regulation, they might contain "road kill". |
Rok, you're a smart person, so I'm going to ask you a question that only a smart person would know the answer to; "Who is really running things"? Is it the visible government in Washington DC, or is it the invisible "alphabet government"; meaning CIA, FBI, NSA, and on and on; that some people call "Deep state"; "Who is in charge"? |
Rok, in my entire life, I have only met one person who did not want to work, he wanted to smoke pot all day. I've met people who smoked pot all day but worked; they had mastered the art and smoked pot while working. A person can not get a car, an apartment, or a house without a job; what Mow-ron would not want a job? That's pure fiction you made up for your own self centered reasons. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mawh5xWYnxc |
Pjw and Rok, you guys are concerned about "welfare cheats" but find 700 billion of your money, our money going to Wall Street OK. That sounds backwards to me. I say you both have been programmed to think positive for the rich and negative for the poor; you look down on the poor, but admire the rich swindlers, the "flim flam" men. New BMW's can cost from 50 to 100,000; I don't know which one's you saw, but I "double dog" guarantee you they did not belong to a welfare recipient. While you saw them in that neighborhood, and it's possible to have seen a Lamborghini in that neighborhood, it didn't belong to a "welfare recipient", a dope dealer most likely; he's someone who couldn't make it on Wall Street and chose the Black mans path to riches. He sells dope to the people who can't cope with the insanity in the ghetto that is the direct result of "economic racism" in this country; poverty that has been passed down for centuries from one generation to the next. Now lower middle class white people (the real middle class is more affluent and less racist) have someone to look down on and feel superior to. |
I can walk and chew gum at the same time. Rok and I are friends with different views, I believe that if I needed help, I could E-mail Rok, and if he could he would; we are both concerned about one another's welfare. I admire his honesty. As for the few who come and go, I say let them. The subjects we discuss are too serious not to be discussed. The jazz discussion is still going on. There is no law that says anyone has to respond to anything other than jazz. That's my point of view; maybe we should silence the OP. This is "Jazz" there have never been many people here, and there never will be. |
Before I got real sick, I was researching "West Coast Jazz". West Coast came and went, but there was some stellar jazz produced in LA. These are some of the factors that made it so different. Jazz musicians in LA didn't have to tour in order to make a decent living; they could do movie soundtracks, plus there were many clubs out there that paid well. All of that meant that they never became famous because they didn't have to tour. When I was stationed at Lackland AFB in 59, word would spread about which movie had a good jazz track. That's when me and my fellow airman compadre would check it out. We would laugh at the silly black and white movie while digging the boss jazz soundtrack. Now I have to find which movies had the boss soundtracks. https://www.udiscovermusic.com/stories/best-jazz-soundtracks/ http://www.tasteofcinema.com/2015/the-20-best-jazz-soundtracks-in-movie-history/ Here is the page you can research from; https://www.google.com/search?q=movies+with+west+coast+jazz+soundtracks&rlz=1C1CHBD_enUS858US858... |
