Jazz for aficionados
Do you mean there is a difference in style when Michael Brecker play alone and when he play with his brother ?
I stumble on a "fusion" song i did not like much instead of jazz did you mean this ?
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Thanks a lot @frogman I appreciate very much your musical erudition and necessary context knowledge... It help us a lot... Wow almost 900 albums...many where is a side musician but... I spot already only 32 in my research but all as main player ...
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On the thirty two albums of Zorn it seems i cannot love more than 4 or 5 ... The rest may be interesting but not enough for me to keep them in my love list... The Album with Jamie Saft throw me toward him , and i discovered few albums of Saft as true gems... ( 6 albums) I prefer classical jazz, sometimes i venture out of it but it is way more difficult for me to fall in love then ... Zorn is really interesting... But interesting is not falling in love... After the 6 albums of Saft i love , i now explore Brecker who really is a sax master ... Evident at first listening ... I will not fall in love with many Brecker albums in fusion or piop for sure... But his jazz albums will probably hit me at the heart it seems already with 2 listenings...
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One thing appear to me and i just begun to listen to Brecker... His sax mastery musical control is good to the point of being embarassing or shaming for others .... I never hear so much surprizing variations with so much fluidity from any other sax player i listened too... Thanks frogman... This does not means i cannot appreciate other musical style gesture of Igor Buttman or Wayne Shorter or Sonny Rollins etc...Musical gesture style is not linearly related to virtuoso control levels , it is constrained by them for sure, but music has a life of its own ...It is the reason why there is no absolutely better musician over all of them in jazz ... Too much possible expressive gestures repertory learned in so many musicians different body and personal story .... There is also another point, nevermind the genius of any musician, the way his sideman work with him and underline his phrasing and sustain it and were inspired in their own playing make an album session great... It is evident with Miles Davis "kind of blue" which is not the best jazz album ever, there is no best ever, but in this album the SYNERGY between the players parts is astoundingly good... Then it is the same conditions for any musician in jazz so great it is, he will need to play and inspire others... Listen to my favorite Pat Martino album... "Formidable"... Here too the synergy is so much good that for me it is equal to "kind of blue"... Martino drive the other players to their best as Miles did ...By the way as " kind of blue" " formidable" album are not necessarily the best albums to decipher the specific artistry and virtuosity of Miles or Martino but it is great album to look for and understand why and how they inspire other musicians to play at their top... The reason is simple : the geniuses as Miles and Martino serve the other musicians and dont use them as replaceable servant but inspire them to go at their maximum level ... We feel it ...
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Pat Martino and Michael Brecker had something in common in their own personal world.. I dont know how to say it or describe it... They play going on with their own effortless FLUID "pulse" leading in their wake the others musicians but without letting them aside or down... A feat some other geniuses playing more lonely lost in their world did not do so well ... Thats my impression...I discovered these 2 musicians i did not know with frogman recommendation... They are insanely good technically and musical...
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This Michael Brecker album will make your candle supper at the dessert moment with a digestive liquor an amazing hour... It is not the most original Brecker album probably, just classic jazz, but this musician finger/brain gestures flow as calming water on stressed feet...Brecker play more effortlessly than any other sax player i ever listened to, this is why HE NEVER DID TOO MUCH FOR MAKING AN IMPRESSION as many others do but he manage to stay creative and surprizing in his phrases without overdoing anything ... Charlie Haden play with Brecker : american dreams... Trumpet is no more my favorite Jazz instrument with piano... Sax enter my heart not only my brain or body now... Brecker is without rival exactly as frogman said it was... It is unbelievable if we dont listen to him because there is very great sax players for me already... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1k1dKriNws&list=PLvxWibFr0wiIAsj0hIMVXe51d_PqcmOZ6
I am torn between American dreams and "cityscapes" With Ogerman...😊 Absolute mastery of Brecker here... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2m7_06jbXo&list=PL0hWpfLjtwxRrrhkMSbsZUEyrXwDz9HRd We must buy the two albums...listen on youtube before doing so, especially cityscape which is not jazz style i will buy usually but Brecker sound divine here... |
Thanks for the link frogman
I will add this as complement.. Michael Brecker: A Quiet Genius of Immense Importancehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUFdzxcZhwg and also this : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6UsTFQMCPA
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Exploring the Grolnick playings with Brecker i discovered Bob Mintzer another sax master playing with Brecker at least in one album ...Mintzer cannot rival brecker for sure, i did not heard someone who can , but he recorded many big band album... What frogman think about him and his duet with Brecker ? Too much good music to discover the same week for me.... it is way better to buy 10,000 bucks of music than a new dac.... especially if the one you own is already good as in my case... My two cents for a lost audiophile in the jazz thread.. ... 😊 |
"Spectrum" album seems very good to me...Thanks ... More easy listening than the magic Brecker...I love Brecker .... I will like Mintzer it seems ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhKcML1Lpsc&list=OLAK5uy_mZB0UKS1f3KHax1t6v_9DurQPc9l8TJ90 i cannot listen Brecker albums when reading on the net , but i can listen relaxing big band this way... i listen music 6 hours each day.... 😁 i listen half of the time more attentively known favorites, the other half is devoted to new one in a more relaxed ways... 2,160 hours in one year.. 1080 hours for new albums... it takes roughly 1000 new albums a year for my novelties appetite and explorations... Guess why i am not interesting by most useless gear upgrades ? Guess why i came in this thread ? 😊 |
Dont be envious! I exagerated the numbers as i wish them to be ... 😉 And anyway listen to frogman advices, he is a musician and he knows what he talk about ... Me i just begun to understand jazz a bit... i am retired and i had anything else to do...😁
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Amazing good jazz : "The truth" with Elvin Jones and Michael Brecker and Eubanks on trombone ,Darren Barrett trumpet and another sax with Brecker...
A sax god exactly as frogman said... It is not a Brecker album mostly even if he plays a part but the album is more than just interesting... So.... I am doubly amazed by Brecker and this Jones album... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxC7EhPnsuo&list=PLaw8u3Tc5UT6oi_-M6FiuHvmIAEz-u_th
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I am happy if i repaid you for your enlightened recommendations that impacted me a lot , among others Pat Martino and Micharl Brecker... Sometimes it takes an explanation to understand why we must listen a musician in particular... You are able to do so because of your musician experience to explain why we must hear someone twice more than once ... It help us all... Thanks ...
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I already had many albums of Desmond with Hall and it is amazing indeed .... I love him because it remind me of the human singing voice and stay always minimalistic to be such as a speaking or singing voice and sound nothing as the Brecker super human mastery of the instrument....It remind me of the complete different way Chet Baker sing or speak only most of the times with absolute minimalistic voicing versus Miles masterful exploratory playing ...
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Between two Michael Brecker exploration ...😊 I discovered this album and an interesting trio of European jazz : Rein De Graaff piano trio This De Graaf plays a lot with sax players ...baritone sax here by Ronnie Cuber is outstanding ... I will search other De Graaff albums ...And Ronnie Cuber too ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6sPN93jf5Q&list=OLAK5uy_kVeaGHKfd6e4ggi9GKlGlNKLK111hIqXg |
Thanks i will check for sure...😉 I am in love with trombone and sax baritone ...😊
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There is something soothing and relaxing in the Baritone sax voice, and Gary Smulyan is very good at it, and we need relaxation these days 😁 : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ja6Yep7lf3g&list=PLdFOkuVvI1yx6OYh8TSEx19zPDRQn9vAX&index=2 |
Waiting from other Brecker surprizes i listen to Gary Smulyan a third magnificent album here all about sax but dominated by the baritone of Smulyan : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-8xu14NDjc&list=PLdFOkuVvI1ywgWOCpfKADglkPlrfY3gWy
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I was in love with baritone sax and my love grow by day ... Gary Smulyan "the real deal" album : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3fG3m9UxmA&list=OLAK5uy_k0O3lv1qAy2-NqQT0DbuP028aV57PE87I
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Thanks frogman for the musical precisions ... You are our living jazz master and teacher here...😊 I will go for Pepper Adams too ... I swim in an ocean of trombone , sax, and baritone now ....many albums to discover are coming in the next months ... The trumpet and piano and guitars i love so much has now many instruments rivals in my heart... I begin to appreciate bass too because of the clarity of my actual headphone and speakers system with bass ... My respect and appreciation for your help ... ...
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Thanks for this one it seems interesting... I dont know why i like baritone so much ... I like bass human voices and contralto feminine voice also ....😁
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This one is one of my best too ..😊 And this one is no less good : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lh6JpSt9Yko&list=PLBJenJIJrq0zaurEPd-ssmOXR43HyQx6J Smulyan is very gifted ...
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This album with Smulyan is a gem ; Three sax baritone for the price of one ,one is Ronnie Cuber 😁: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bbMSg3I1pg&list=OLAK5uy_kJmFAkgu-pIdwZ1TExMeuoUbSPhYaPDc0
My soundfield was never so good ...I cannot stop listening music... Save for my embeddings control efficiency i dont understand why , because my self active speakers are not top speakers as My Tannoy were ... But i was knowing nothing for the 45 years i owned them and i never listened to them at their top in an acoustic room as i know how to do now with my low cost speakers whyich i optimized a lot for sure ... I cannot stop music .... |
I dont understand how this low cost active speakers i own can be so good ... It is my successful embeddings controls and modifications for sure , what else ? I disliked these speakers for 12 years straight and never used them for music till i was in the obligation to modify and embed them for music because they were the only one i owned now .. I cannot stop listening and i pity many of those who own 50,000 bucks speakers not well embedded ... 😁
For Gary Smulyan , it is a player with genius in my book not less than Ronnie Cuber ...And i prefer his musical choices ( more classic jazz) too even if i like the two players ... You cannot go wrong with any Smulyan albums it seems to me ...
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Just right now i listen anew the "trouble" album of Jamie Saft... This dude make original jazz music ...But unlike Smulyan it is an acquired taste ... 😁 It begun to enter in my collection of favorite with some albums ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRLDg-413Aw&list=OLAK5uy_ng8sGrK1U7Q_B3etC7NAmJUGyGPoZAr2A
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Sometimes less is more ... This album of Jamie Saft is relaxing, And as his title indicate "Doom Jazz" more than perfect for me to read the news on twitter, if not there on X ,where ? ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNo1Tz8yOZc&list=OLAK5uy_liDS2NGpoa9Yk_hEZtj9Oh8cc1Oc_0SPo I dont recommend it for purchase but i am very happy ti listen to it on youtube... I like Jamie Saft sorry...
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I must confess that i dislike most jazz singer save very few... I had listen the album "trouble" for the music variation on Dylan melodies... Not for the spoken songs ...😁 I prefer Dylan over most singer in the pop culture and in the jazz culture singing ... Then i think the same as you ... but i like the Saft albums in general ...It is not classical jazz for sure ...
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Today is my Joey DeFrancesco hammond player day and multi instrumentist ... I discovered him thanks to czarivey audiogon member recommendation ... I like hammond organ jazz... I could not recommend an album in particular, they seems all interesting ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=230SAX-zDTk&list=RDEMcVCLWgzE84AMExDBDakaXw&start_radio=1
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Another day with among others i already named here, Joey DeFrancesco : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-S6rJo_ANs&list=OLAK5uy_no0K1TBhG05V4EV56mg57BJdFald2X1ic
Just fun and relaxing jazz on Hammond with guitar, a coupling i particularly enjoy ... We need relaxation ...😊 I am so enthralled by my acoustic corner with these low cost modified speakers so good the soundfield is that i dont believe it myself ... Definitely the minimal acoustical satisfaction level may be lower in cost than i ever dreamed it myself ... Immersive music on all my files ... Timbre are natural and soundstage encompassing me in many recording with perfect imaging ... I cannot stop listening jazz.... With one hour classical each day ...
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Ouff! too much good stuff in two posts ... Anyway thanks for all propositions .,.. I myself go on today with Joey Defrancesco ....It is not Coltrane or Brecker ...Perhaps not Smulyan or Saft ... He is not in the same high level jazz than some, only good jazz easy to metabolise ... I listen sometimes easy jazz .... 😁 Hammond rule my heart anyway ... 😉 |
Pure honey or maple syrup ; Michael Brecker and Joey DeFrancesco hammond ...But i dont know if this album exist ... I know one with Randy Brecker i recommended above ...😊
By the way this album is stunningly good for Hammond lovers ; Jack McDuff · Joey DeFrancesco It's About Time : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhZTQqm2jOA&list=OLAK5uy_nmL9BYph5NKe-Rxp2Ecnru2OQiYBLcgNo |
Great indeed! It seems there is many albums with Humair ... I will look thanks stuartk ..
This one with Daniel Humair is more than just good it seems ... Rava is one of my favorite trumpet player in europe ... |
Another great winning album by joey DeFrancesco ... Amazing musician for me especially on the Hammond .. The Champ · Joey DeFrancesco https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhb6mGr5tBI&list=OLAK5uy_mE2kryuuS4kuMgls9f3fx5mv4D5cNv9zo |
Thanks for the suggestion ... I put them in the waiting list ... I admire Sun Ra ...
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The picture of the album is beyond kitsch ...😁 But Joey DeFrancesco play the Hammond better than most ... My favorite music to relaxing casual listening reading the news ... This does not means that this is not good music ...😊 Another album to enjoy : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zagj_yiNxDg&list=OLAK5uy_l4QcAHIohQsfa_xtFNH-kN20kUyXP6bzQ |
There is many good jazz pianist indeed... But as good not so much... As i said for me he is the Spanish Bill Evans ... Or the spanish Oscar Peterson... Not less ...
Not only his bass and drummer are exceptional but the sound quality let them be such ... Dont upgrade your system... It exist at least 50 albums to buy ... 😊
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