Acman, I want to thank you very much for that link.
I personally knew two Blue Note musicians who had drug problems, and they both suffered the same fate as Tina Brooks in regard to their best work not being released until after they were dead.
Did Blue Note recruit drug addicts because they could easily be taken advantage of?
I am not God, therefore I can not be a judge of men. I don't know what demons caused them to seek relief through drugs, but I do know that once hooked, they needed money to buy drugs because they could not function without them. That causes a catch 22; they could not make money because they needed enough drugs to function on the set. While too much as in the case of "Bird", caused him not to be able to function at times on the set.
Although I'm not God, I am a student of sociology and psychiatry; and I'm aware of the fact that mental anguish can hurt more than physical pain. I don't pretend to know what drove those musicians to use drugs; life is complicated; but that problem opened them up to exploitation.
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They said the sets would be limited, and I didn't heed their warning, now the sets I want are out of print; but maybe if enough people want them, they'll start the presses up again. I thought I had Mingus pretty well covered, not realizing that like Monk, he could play one of his songs so many different ways, that you could never have him covered. Mosaic, has box sets of the masters of jazz; I mean people who had the "inner soul" to produce the original masterpieces. Now that the people who produced that music are dead, it's not available with new jazz for me. After seeking new jazz, it seems that I will have to go back to the old jazz that Mosaic offers to get what I want. http://www.mosaicrecords.com/outofprint.aspThe fact that I have two out of print box sets is not enough consolation, I want more. Although they have sufficient CD's, they don't mention much on records. Hopefully enough people will request records to start the presses back up, but if CD's are your thing Mosaic has them. http://www.mosaicrecords.com/lastchance.aspJust passing along information that's important to me, which might be important to you. |
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Inna, I'm surprised at you! You have actually submitted a legitimate jazz artist, and one that I admire (along with the rest of the world); plus I really like the music. Yes, this is great for a Sunday morning.
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As I stated before Inna, you don't have the credentials to critique Bobby McFerrin. |
People who live in glass houses should never throw rocks.
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Those were some outstanding clips Frogman; I found it amazing how that music at that time has withstood the passage of time and is still fresh; Tony Scott was superb.
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Frogman, you come through every now and then; I suppose that made up for past short comings.
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Alex, Roach said that he composed this piece for his close friend Ike Quebec. They had planned to record it, but never got around to it. Quebec died on 16 January 1963, so Roach said that he he performed it thereafter as a tribute to his friend. Him and Ike worked well together. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzIdzG1J9zc |
Rok, I need help in perusing these "Mosaic Box Sets". I know you have a lot of Mingus, and so do I; but here again, as in the case of Monk, tunes with the same title are very much different, plus those sets might contain live recordings that were made in Europe. http://www.mosaicrecords.com/outofprint.asp http://www.mosaicrecords.com/lastchance.aspThere is a lot to go through, but you can get music that's not available on the regular market. |
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Thanks a lot for that information Rok. Let me know if you discover any odd ball Mingus; I'm talking about something like a different version of "Good Bye Pork Pie Hat" or one of those live European recordings. Is Mingus and Dolphy available?
I use to get a "Mosaic" magazine that gave detailed information on the box sets; even then you received more than you wanted, but it was OK.
Just not enough detailed information to make a decision; I think I'll pass.
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That is one cool piano intro; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLKVsMuYoZAs many quarters as I put in the jukeboxes over the years in many cities while traveling, plus all the times I have played this jam at home, I had the thought "That's one cool piano intro", but I never delved into it. His name is "Richard Wyands"; who the devil is Richard Wyands? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_WyandsMy collection is full of Richard Wyands, but as a sideman; these are the things you find out when you listen and focus on what you're listening to without any distractions or distracting thoughts; the jazz life is beautiful. |
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What is an aficionado? According to this: a person who is very knowledgeable and enthusiastic about an activity, subject, or pastime; aficionados of the finest wines. Synonyms: connoisseur, expert, authority, specialist, pundit, cognoscente. As jazz enthusiasts, we primarily focus on instruments: trumpet, sax, guitar, piano, etc; consequently, we may not know about what I call a "jazz stylist" as opposed to a vocalist, that's because he imitates musical instruments. Although we don't know everything there is to know, as "aficionados", it's our duty to learn. After "Don't Worry, Be Happy", it's possible that Bobby McFerrin was taken as a joke by many of the masses, but as aficionados, we should know better. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_McFerrinHere is a man who worked harder than most musicians honing his craft, and becoming a superb musician; he has earned this aficionados highest respect. |
For over 20 years, my vinyl collection did no more than occupy space. That's because CD's sounded so much better. After perusing the "Analog" forum, and reading about how inferior CD's are to my old fashioned records, I decided to investigate; it takes "money", and quite a bit of it for a record player to sound better than CD; that's what they don't tell you. After a few years and more time and money than I care to talk about, I'm really into vinyl. Beyond this "audiophile stuff", I keep discovering records I didn't even know that I had; this is one of them; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO0-mfey2BMHow about my main man Grant Green; ain't he funky; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLBTSrD42QY |
Why do I have to get into these things whether I want to or not? Frogman, someone else drew you into this "nothing" that occurs when someone doesn't know when to quit. Rather than write a post on this calamity, I'll state that Rok's sounds pretty good to me, and further more, brother Ray Charles made some applicable remarks on the subject for anyone that the shoe fits; while his statements are subject to gross misinterpretation, so be it; take this with a grain of salt and as much humor as you can muster. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8Tiz6INF7I |
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Pryso, that's exactly what I'm talking about; I don't have it, but I will get it.
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The first Mingus album I purchased was in 59, or 60; it was the one with the modern artwork; as a matter of fact, that's why I purchased it, I don't recall knowing who Charles Mingus was.
After I took it back to the barracks and played it for my "jazz crew", none of us knew quite what to make of Mingus, but we kept playing that album noting unique and different things each time we played it.
Since that time, the same experience has been repeated over and over; each time I play a new Mingus album, I hear unique and different things.
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pjw, I want to thank you for that very informative link; it's just the kind of information I'm looking for.
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Frogman, since you recommended it, I will get it if I don't have it.
Thank you much.
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This thread is going better than it ever has gone; we have acquired connoisseurs of this music who are at that advanced stage where they evaluate the sidemen on the greatest jazz records. Sidemen were the artists who contributed to those great records, and in many cases were forgotten. I'm going to go through this process to illustrate what I'm talking about. "The Sidewinder" by Lee Morgan was a great jazz record by any standard; it was even declared a great record by the masses. First, we have to know the artists on this record: Lee Morgan – trumpet Joe Henderson – tenor saxophone Barry Harris – piano Bob Cranshaw – bass Billy Higgins – drums Next we listen to the record; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJi03NqXfk8Now I'm not going to evaluate, I'm going to allow you to pick which sideman you think contributed the most to this great record. |
"You think we be stupid??"
I seem to have heard that, or something similar somewhere before; give me time and maybe I can place it.
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Rok, you might be right; it's for sure he is at the beginning.
Joe Henderson has a mean solo at about 3:58; he's followed by Barry Harris on piano. Bob Cranshaw is slammin on the bass, that can not be denied.
Once you put this jam under a microscope, it's like a diamond with many facets; that's what we're doing with the best jams in jazz, like that 100 best you have.
Enjoy the music.
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Rok, here he is again; Frogman at his nerve wracking best; since he can not be part of the solution, he chooses to be part of the problem. Notice how he uses his "divide and conquer" tactic, by stating the obvious, "There is no best" because that’s a personal preference; guess what Frogman, the sky is blue; did you forget to add that? But there is a sideman that you can choose to put the spotlight on, and Bob Cranshaw was certainly a candidate.
"The best" might be a meaningless question, but it is for certain your post is a meaningless post; it contributed nothing to this thread or the conversation.
"The reason that this is, as the questioner states, a “great record” (and it is) is that every sideman contributes to it’s greatness and has an equally important musical role"
Here again, "The sky is blue"; you are so observant Frogman.
Imagine the record without saxophone to fill out the harmony of the melodies, or without the drums and only bass and piano, or without the piano and the resulting absence of harmonic underpinning, etc. Or, imagine different players in any one of those “chairs”; wouldn’t be the same record.
Right now I’m imagining this thread without Frogman; I wonder what it would be like?
Everything you have stated Frogman, is what we already know, you have contributed nothing.
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This thread was going too good for you, so you had to set up a political fight; "Choose me or Orpheus". You have done this so many times in the past; are you bored? What’s the end game?
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Alex, I found the 45 rpm sessions, but I don't recall playing them; that will be corrected. Believe it or not, the only album I don't have is the one with singer "Dodo Green". |
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Frogman throws a tomahawk, and he has no idea of why the response in kind when it comes back.
Rok, how many times have we seen this scenario?
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I bought this album when it came out in 74; if you notice, it has a sound that's quite different from the 50's and 60's. The focus is on Richard Wyands, a pianist whose name I did not recognize. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU3KI3L2t4g&list=PLIuGO4xKJweIWbUSip_ZpSC7C_CyteXIdTrack listing "Up the Street, 'Round the Corner, Down the Block" (Onaje Allan Gumbs) - 7:18 "Afro Blue" (Mongo Santamaria) - 5:40 "Sausalito Nights" - 7:15 "Juice" - 5:40 "A Little Walking Music" - 3:18 "Soulero" (Richard Evans) - 9:13 Kenny Burrell - guitar, whistling (track 5) Jerome Richardson - flute, soprano saxophone, tenor saxophone Richard Wyands - piano, electric piano Andy Simpkins - bass Lenny McBrowne - drums Mayuto Correa - percussion I remember when I bought this, and the store I bought it from; it was from the records department in a department store; St. Louis and suburbs were so pleasant then, I spent evenings just shopping and browsing; now, from what I heard on the news, St. Louis is one of the murder capitals of the world; how the times have changed. Back to the music; I had forgotten how nice this album is, that's because it was worn out from frequent play and I quit playing it; it will have to be replaced. Enjoy the music. |
Roland Kirk was recorded in 1961, and does it have a different feel; "fast hip city", more of the 50's and 60's sound; Richard Wyands piano reflects that.
That was when Roland Kirk exploded on the scene, and let us know he was a new force on the jazz scene who would command our attention.
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Thank you Frogman for that huge contribution; when I finish with Richard Wyands, I'll focus on Paul Chambers.
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You are extremely observant with good ears Frogman, I was going to point out the same things; especially the Fender Rhodes electric piano.
Music reflects the sociological times; that was when you felt safe walking "Up The Street, Round The Corner, Down The Block" in the city.
While some feel I should not incorporate sociology into music, that's who I am; while some of us live very well, there are too many US citizens who were born and bred here living in third world conditions. That's all I'm going to say about that.
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Thanks for the correction Frogman, I thought he was on all the cuts. The great Hank Jones is hardly unknown, and needs no introduction; he's on my favorite cuts.
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This was the album everybody bought when it came out. Mr. PC is boss on this album.
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I had no idea PC was on "Alexandria The Great" as long as I've had that album, which was purchased shortly after it came out in 64. Now I have the CD, and it doesn't say anything about PC. "Wicki" says PC is on "My one And Only Love"; plus "I'm Through With Love" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psaueeL_Fkk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSuEnDf3oE4Initially this exercise was about sidemen you didn't know you had, and it's for sure I didn't know PC was on this album. Although this doesn't exhibit PC's considerable talents, it's the one I'm posting. Others can feel free to exhibit Mr. PC however they choose. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWXimvRssmQThe last one is my favorite by Lorez, but does not include PC. |
