Jazz for aficionados

Pryso, As to the answer to your question, I have no idea. I don't know when I bought it, but I'm sure it wasn't in 61 when it came out.

Rok, do you know what "genocide" is? That's the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation.

This country watched Genocide on national television when they watched the "Katrina Aftermath" for 3 whole days on national TV. All George Bush had to do was call the disaster center at Scott AFB Ill., and go back to bed; they had the resources and were prepared to take care of everything, including coordinating "all" military resources. I know, I was stationed at Scott for four years.

That's one of the few bases where the base commander was a full bird Colonel, while there were Generals who commanded world wide movement of military resources stationed on the same base.

Many times I was awaken at 2:30 AM or some ungodly hour by someone screaming "Alert,Alert, Alert"; that meant get dressed, shagg A--, and get on the big blue bus. It was to carry us to the disaster site, where we were to give life saving first aid to the victims of this disaster, which might be real or just a drill; I was a medic.

The victims were made up to look like they had various injuries; they had a tag attached to them which we were to write down what we discovered and treatment administered. At the end of the day we were critiqued by doctors, who discussed whether our patient lived or died.

Scott AFB had everything to take care of that disaster and then some. Why wasn't this ever mentioned? The military can never question "The Commander In Chief", that's for sure.



The irony of what I've written is that Scott AFB was called to duty 8 months prior to "Hurricane Katrina" for a tsunami disaster.


    http://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/135288/amc-aircraft-people-support-
tsunami-relief-operations/


These resources could be utilized for people half way around the world, but not for the citizens of New Orleans; why I ask you?

bluesy41  who you?   Identify  yo self.

Rok, I understand your response, and that's such a horrible word, that I wont use it twice.

I only ask, from one military man to another, that you carefully examine my post; especially the link.

Roland Kirk at the airport;


  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avAQrOydurQ

Flawless Schubert!

Here is something by Don Cherry that's music to my ears, I hope you like it;


      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuwDDz933ZI


Charles Earland is drifting;


      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cei2nxUhhB4


Enjoy the music.

Pryso, I told you we had almost identical collections, and that's another one I bought when it came out. That's the longest cut which means it's probably my favorite.

I appreciate that music now, more than I did when I bought it; part of that is due to my understanding of the music, and the other part is the fact that every forum on "Audiogon" is part of the composite of an "Audiophile", and after many years, when it all comes together in one rig, and one mind, we are closer to the ultimate in music than we think.


Happy listening.

Quincy Jones with "What's Going On";


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tYQRzOFbHA

This Bud is just for you Rok; this is what was done for people half way across the world


      http://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/135288/amc-aircraft-people-support-


This is what was done for the predominately Black citizens of New Orleans.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCDJ3vxMHdo


Young educated African Americans are going to "Viet Nam"; they are going to "South Africa"; they are going to Cambodia, Thailand; they are getting out of Dodge. They got the message, it's time to leave town.


  BLAME THE VICTIM FOR THE CRIME; what else is new?


"This is not the forum" I served for four years in the outfit that was trained to respond to disasters like New Orleans; I earned the right to respond on any forum I please.

Frogman, one time you blamed Rok's controversial comments for the lack of posters; he left for a year and it got worse. After that you blamed me, I left and it went to 0; it seems that you couldn't keep things going alone, but I'm sure you don't remember that.

My posts pertain to things that should be important to citizens of this country who value "Democracy", not "Autocracy"; who is minding the store? If we can not discuss music and other things important to this Democracy, maybe it's time for this thread to die.

"views that I and others strongly believe are off the mark and not rooted in reality."

Was what you saw on TV fantasy or reality?

Frogman, I wish I was you; playing with my nice rig, and listening to good music (not that I don't have both) but the difference is the fact that I am aware of many more "realities" than you, and they keep disturbing me.

My posts will make about as much difference as another drop of water in the Pacific Ocean, but this is who I am and what I do; now back to the music.


Acman, was that your version of "Back to the music"?



This is what's playing where I am;


  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BJNxVf_iLM


  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF_Kwdmg1Cg


 

Frogman, what you have not stated speaks volumes about who you are, what you have not looked at speaks volumes about who you are. Did you look at the two links I presented?

As far as I'm concerned, your posts confirm all of my thesis in regard to the "United States of America". "If you see a lynching folks, just look the other way". If you see Black bodies floating all over New Orleans just look the other way.

They sent the "Keystone Cops" and a bunch of stooges to New Orleans, while they sent the "A" Team half way around the world; would you care to comment on that FACT Frogman?

Schubert, this is not the country we were raised to believe in.

I had one uncle who went crazy in the Burma Campaign because of the snakes. I had another uncle who fought in "The Battle of The Bulge", he told me about bullets whistling past his ears, and seeing bloody soldiers falling to the left and right of him; the order was to "charge", and that's what they did. He was certain that each minute would be his last. I could see fear and determination in his eyes when he told me this.

For four years I trained at Scott AFB to respond to disasters, only to see the outfit I trained with, to go to the Pacific Ocean, and not to New Orleans where they could have saved so many lives; you think I'm not upset; especially when everything is getting worse, including reaction to injustice.

"Stolen Moments" is one of the most incredible tunes in jazz, and now I can savor each note.

By the way Pryso, I just acquired 2 pair of Telefunken Black Diamond E88CC / 6922. Not the expensive NOS but new ones with the same number. One pair for the phono, and another pair for the pre; that really upped my game.

I just thought I would pass this along just in case you can use them.

Rok, has finally found someone who appreciates the Bey Family as much as he does; I dub thee "The Blues Brothers 2"

Alex, people evolve and change over time; for example, in the past I didn't listen to Duke Ellington; too old fashioned, plus I was always in a hurry. Now I've got nowhere to go and forever to get there.

As a result of "Duke Ellington" aficionados, I will investigate.

That post was in regard to Ellington only.

I've got a bunch of Duke Ellington CD's, I forgot when I bought them; probably acquired over time while shopping, but I haven't really listened to them; now is a good time.

It's amazing Pryso that I should have the same sentiments but would never admit it.

I liked that Rok, especially the pictures.

How about a change of pace with some swinging female vocals;


        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-QpUr-A_BA


Karrin Allyson, "No Moon At All";


            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWdgG7TJl7Y

Lenore Raphael studied jazz piano under Barry Harris. Her piano attests to the fact that she is one of the best jazz pianists alive.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenore_Raphael

Pryso, I bought "Bean Bags" probably in 61, naturally the album cover is stuck in my mind; bags of various kinds of beans. "Bags" is Milt Jackson, and "Beans" is Coleman Hawkins; those are the names they were given by jazz enthusiasts before me.

I compare being an "aficionado" to being a wine "Connoisseur"; after many long years of diligent listening, we are qualified to pass judgment on what is the best jazz; just as a wine connoisseur is qualified to pass judgment on the best wine.

I'm sure the very best grapes and procedures must be implemented for a 5 star wine; and so the very best artists at the top of their game are required for a 5 star jazz album. I have deemed this album 5 star, so if you only see 4 stars, that's wrong.

After a lifetime of listening, the Aficionado savors every note on a 5 star album, the same as a wine Connoisseur savors every sip of the very best wine.

I would like you to join me in savoring this music;


  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhgUUe5czxc


  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnTdGw9jDVI



Bass – Eddie Jones
Drums – Connie Kay
Guitar – Kenny Burrell
Piano – Tommy Flanagan
Tenor Saxophone Tenor Sax – Coleman Hawkins
Vibraphone Vibraharp – Milt Jackson

That must have been quite an experience Schubert; I'm sure she sounded so much better live, all artists I've seen live, sounded exponentially better on stage in front of me.

Not only is she a good vocalist, but she has exquisite jazz backing her; I'll have to add more of her records to my collection.

The truth of the matter Pryso, is the fact that I'm just getting seriously interested in Maynard Fersuson as a musician. I saw him on TV clowning around so much, I thought he was just a showman, but now that I know better I'll be doing some serious listening and collecting. BTW, that's some boss Maynard Ferguson which I will add to my collection.

It's funny that you should think about me, when I was thinking about you and Lee Konitz;


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPO6Zq_jg1g&list=RDJPO6Zq_jg1g&start_radio=1


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IoLvsQ_NhM&list=RDJPO6Zq_jg1g&index=4


That West Coast vibe was quite a contrast to my normal diet of East Coast jazz. People forget how different the Wast Coast was from the Midwest or East Coast at that time; there was a whole different lifestyle, and the music reflected that.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNyt3_rZx5w&list=RDJPO6Zq_jg1g&index=6


Oddly enough, that tune has a West Coast feel to it, kind of laid back and beautiful.


      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsTfHhdF0t0



Either I'm listening better or I'm hearing better; no matter which, the music is sounding better; that's partly because of the "grid"; this "lockdown" has produced a quiet electrical grid. Most people don't realize that ARC and other expensive gear cost so much because of the power supply that tames kinky AC, but now that we have smooth AC, cheaper gear sounds much better.


      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acbB2WH7ahw


I think you're also into NOS tubes; I bought some brand new 6922 Telefunkens that sounded real good but didn't last, so now I have to go back to the expensive NOS that last forever; there ain't no free lunch in high end audio, but it's worth it.

These are just the best times for serious listening; I'm listening to tape recorded with the Telefunkens in the Phono-Pre, and records like "Pithecanthropus Erectus" sound like new music, even though I first bought it in 61 or 62; so you no how many times I've heard it, but it sounds brand new today.


      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB6GkA54n_Q


Stay cool and enjoy the music.

When I was young, I lusted for life on the West Coast; the ocean, beautiful sunsets, and loads of beautiful girls, what was there not to like.


Gerry Mulligan is my favorite West Coast musician, his work on the movie soundtrack "I Want To Live" is unforgettable, it's so emotional.

   
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRSCcC5LtwA


I like this too;


      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syIgRlaUeow

No wonder that "California Concerts" cooks like it does;


Personnel: Zoot Sims (tenor sax), Gerry Mulligan (baritone sax), Bob Brookmeyer (piano), Red Mitchell (bass), Larry Bunker (drums)


Bob Brookmeyer on piano; that's unusual;


        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTXPWizKSO4

I might as well play the game, since I started it.

Right now I'm grooving on a double LP by Lucky Thompson;

by Ron Wynn
Lucky Thompson creates a host of spectacular improvisations on the 16 songs on this wonderful CD reissue. It is comprised of two 1956 sessions; one features Thompson heading a trio backed by bassist Oscar Pettiford and guitarist Skeeter Best, and the other has him heading either a quartet or quintet including the great trombonist Jimmy Cleveland. Cleveland's smooth, superbly articulated phrases and statements rank alongside Thompson's gliding lines in their brilliance, and pianist Hank Jones (on three cuts) also sparkles with some marvelous solos. But Thompson is the star on this date, his elegant yet robust and exuberant playing demonstrating again what a loss his voluntary departure from the scene has constituted


Lucky Thompson is the tenor that put Miles "Walkin" on the map;


  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMW3RloxEyA



This is the double LP Ron Wynn has written about;


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGaWgGaNg2Q

Although health issues have prevented me from responding to each individual post, I consider everyone's post important and special, and I will try to catch up.

I've said this before, and I'll say it again; during my life as an aficionado, there has been no way so much information was available, and it's possible for a current devotee to discover almost as much I have learned in a lifetime, through research on "you tube".

"You Tube" gives me the ability to convey to you my lifetimes selections as to what I consider the very best jazz cuts; this is music that takes me to places where jazz artists go while performing. When you see the guy blowing the horn, or jamming the organ close his eyes, with that look on his face that he's no longer with us; that's what I'm talking about.

Before now, I spent my time in search of new and different jazz, but no longer; while at the same time I appreciate those who are in search for something new and different.

Since I've had close relationships with some of the musicians we have posted, I know how special they are, and all of them I knew are gone, and the ability to create jazz to the extent they created may be gone with them. Now, that thanks to "You Tube", I can access their life works, that's what I intend to do.

Acman, this Bud's for you;


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkKneiZNNXs

Rok, believe it or not, in Jamaica, Reggae is for the tourists, or somebody trying to make some music in Kingston so they can split. On the radio, I heard the same hip jazz, you would hear in any big city here.

"That so-called 'Jamaican Beat' gets old fast. You could be jamming to a tune, and the DJ could change records and you would never realize it."  

Alex, I appreciate your concern; a full report is forthcoming,  since you know it's going to be deleted, be prepared to copy and paste.

Alex, you and Frogman are 100% correct, posts of that nature on this thread are a waste of time.

The question is moot, therefore the answer is moot as well; however, moving right along, here is a little "Roots Reggae" for Rok;



            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Znh0OM9jiA



            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzS-Jis7kfA

Rok, we have been down this path countless times before; no matter what you say after Frogman gets through with it, it's going to be something else, you won't even know what you said.

I think from here on out I'll just let Frogman write my posts and save me the trouble.

Rok, have you ever noticed how strange things always happen to Frogman's advantage; deletions, not being able to access the thread; it's like he has access to the control panel.

Frogman, every time I think I'm out you draw me back in.

"Specificity" is the name of the game when one is a "connoisseur" of the very best jazz available. It's just a matter of what part of my collection I'll listen to today, in addition to "you tube", but never any streaming.

Rok, who needs some stinkin notes; that music sure makes me feel good, I was a young fashionable single gentleman, rolling in a brand new 66 "Deuce and a quarter", and those tunes were on the jukeboxes of all of the most fashionable "Bistros" that someone such as myself should frequent.


        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Edwsf-8F3sI


        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmwRQqJsegw


        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t23ZAIwS--s

Trentmemphis, my computer play-list runs 24 hours a day everyday. I just add or delete music according to mood. When I get a new record I add it.


Maybe our collections are very large with mostly 'killers', and if we listened to roon, we would miss listening to the killers in our own collection.

Would "roon" have played the albums Alex posted?

Rok, I assume you have the Messengers with Horace Silver, the one with "Nica's Dream"; that's absolutely essential.


      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Lju13U1zEE

Rok, I want you to know that you are not talking to the wind; I hear you loud and clear,  "Maybe I should have gone to Mexico".

Be Bop is not a musical genre that can be understood intellectually, it has to be absorbed by osmosis.

The jazz musicians who I knew up close and personal, were driven ((unfortunately, not to make money) they were driven to create.

A musician I had not seen or heard for a few years (we were friends) came back with a new sound that I was totally unfamiliar with, that was spectacular; he was hard bop improvisational. When we see or hear Jimmy Smith do his thing, he makes it look easy; all pros make their thing look easy, maybe it is for them.

The only thing I know about hard bop improvisational jazz is how to listen to it, and I claim to be able to qualify how good it is. On our first outing (I say "Our", because we renewed our friendship, and he moved into my apartment) at "Helens Black Eagle", a club that cherished "improvisational hard bop" we wowed the crowd; they were mesmerized.

During that Summer, we had a lot of fun and repeatedly wowed crowds. That was in 69, and the only verification I recall was a write up about his performance on center stage at the VP Fair we have here in St. Louis.

Many years later, I was talking to a musician telling him how good my friend was, and he responded; "He was good, but he wasn't that good". The musician I was talking to, was on par with Horace Silver, not one easily impressed.

Maybe he didn't hear him after he got that good, I thought to myself. That was when I searched for every note my friend had recorded, and I only verified that "He was good, but not that good".

The music he was playing that Summer was new, plus it had not, nor was it ever recorded; consequently, I have nothing to prove he was "That good".

While I can not judge all "improvisational hard bop jazz musicians" by my friend, being on center stage, and mesmerizing a crowd of people is what drove him.

Frogman, I wont be back "in depth"; just making a comment here and there. Since partially explaining something is worse than not trying to explain it at all, my return will be more limited than I thought.

I'm glad to see that we have the most responsive group than I've seen in some time; they are all knowledgeable "aficionados", that means you are going to be very active.

Only time will tell how active I'll be; have fun.

The most pointless arguments we can possibly have are; "What is jazz, or what is not jazz". That's right up there with what is or is not "Blues"; this is determined by the current majority; I'm reminded of "The Beatles"; "Let it Be".

What we hear is determined by the same factors as what the musician plays musically. The musicians origination is one of the greatest factors in what he plays. What he is actually playing, and what he thinks he's playing might be two different things, but words are one thing, and music is another, and words, not music is what's in the books.

I have a number of music encyclopedias, and the musicians that are labeled as "jazz musicians" is astounding; it seems that the most current books are the most different in regard to what the musician is playing and what I hear, but in this case, definition is determined by younger people for younger musicians; whatever it states is what is, like it or not.

I must not forget that when a record is played, we hear differently; what sounds good to a much younger person may not be so agreeable to me. I'll give you a better example.

Since I knew some of Miles Davis's close friends and relatives; although they would never say it in public, but only in casual conversation with someone they confided in, they could live without Miles most current music. When you think of how many times Miles changed over the years, and how many generations have come to like his music, it's not hard to understand how those who based their collection on what was best during the 50's and 60's, might not have been too fond of his last music, although they didn't love Miles one bit less than when they grew up together.

We have to agree, to disagree, and "Let it be".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzmS4p3jXvs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEXhZ8PwM-Y