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Alex, you named the problem, "It lacked excitement". "Snowing on my Piano" is the only cut I liked; that's because I once lived at the end of a street with a wide "park like" island in the middle, and across from that was a grey stone church with high steeples. In the winter when it was snowing, this made a beautiful picture, that I would spend time gazing at out of my apartment window.
That was a very long time ago, but when "snowing" is in the title, I revert back to gazing out of that window. Evidently "Snowing on My Piano" projected snowing scenes.
I think that's been done; some of the CD's in my collection of the best jazz hits of the 50's sound better than my records, they are cleaner, and have more dynamic range, I don't recall the space.
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Alex, I appreciate your efforts, the music you submitted is good jazz, but you've already submitted the only music that's able to conjure up memories of the "South Side" that John Wright's music conjured up. That magic time came and it went, leaving only John Wrights music to conjure up it's memory, which is why his music is so valuable to all the people who lived in that time and place.
I really liked 'Moanin', Live At The London House, Chicago, 1961.
Thanks for your efforts.
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Pryso, there were some questions about LP's from Rarewaves.com Ltd. The LP I have is perfect; I just scrutinized it a second time when I down loaded it to the hard drive. Not only is the LP without noise scratches and pops, but the jazz is outstanding; it's from a time when Blakey and The Messengers were on fire. Bass – Jimmy Merritt* Bongos – John Rodriguez* (tracks: 2 to 10) Congas – Tommy Lopez (tracks: 2 to 10), William Rodriguez* (tracks: 2 to 10) Drums – Art Blakey Engineer – Tom Nola* Piano – Bobby Timmons, Duke Jordan (tracks: 3) Soprano Saxophone, Tenor Saxophone – Barney Wilen (tracks: 1, 3 to 9) Trumpet – Lee Morgan (tracks: 1, 4 to 9) That guy Barney Wilen blows a mean sax, he fits right in with Blakey and the messengers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jw_8i22pBcsI'm overjoyed that I bought the LP. |
Rok, that thing with Chick Corea is from "My Spanish Heart". Before this they gave us "Mingus" soup warmed over, and claimed it was something fantastic; maybe we're asking for too much.
The past is never dead, it's not even past.
Beka Gochiashvili is a fantastic pianist, but can he create something original, that's what jazz is all about. Originality was what made Mingus, as well as Monk; the ability to improvise was what made the "Messengers" and modern jazz.
I thank you Acman, and Frogman for bringing good music to this thread, and even if it does not resonate with my harmonic strings, it's still good music by fantastic musicians.
"In physics, resonance is a phenomenon in which a vibrating system or external force drives another system to oscillate with greater amplitude at specific frequencies. Frequencies at which the response amplitude is a relative maximum are known as the system's resonant frequencies or resonance frequencies."
I'm seeking resonance.
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Frogman, since "My Spanish Heart" was 2 LP's of Chick Coreas music projecting his Spanish Heart, don't you think "Spain" might have been incorporated somewhere in that music.
Whenever you get through, I heard music from "My Spanish Heart"; that's two LP's, and four sides of music. if you give it a listen, you might agree, but since it was his music in both cases, he could play it whenever and however he wanted, and call it what he liked.
And here I thought it was the genuine article, I thought it was "Mingus", that just goes to show how good they were at warming it over.
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Coldducktime, I know Rok is going to like you, that's one of his favorite tunes, mine too as a matter of fact; it reminds me of wine drinking lawn parties in the Summer time.
Out of the artists you have listed, I haven't heard too much of Abdullah Ibrahim, I'll have to correct that.
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Alex, you are always coming up with something special for me, even when it's outside the genre; "Rumble" for example, was not in my collection, I didn't even know the name of the tune, but it seemed to come on the car radio about 4:00 in the morning when I was trying to get back to the base in 59. I thought that was a bad guitar, but I never knew the name of the tune.
It's amazing how music can swirl around in your head without knowing the tune or the artist.
With all those fantastic "unknown" artists, I know you're just being modest.
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Rok, I'm old but I ain't that old. One can never hear "My Favorite Things" by John Coltrane too many times. As I listen, I'm swept back in time to when I saw him and his group perform it live. We (my girl plus another couple) had a table adjacent to the bandstand; I could see the beads of sweat on McCoy Tyner's forehead as he jammed, and "Trane" was in his groove. When I say in his groove, his eyes were closed, and he just wasn't here; he was wherever musicians go when they're in their groove. I got lost in the music; the live version was precisely 27 minutes long, Trane was out there; he took us on a journey through the "Cosmos". It's easy to understand how him and Alice was a match made in heaven. Here's another jam you can't hear too many times; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJi03NqXfk8 |
Acman, we'll have to take a vote on those two versions of "Night In Tunisia", while they have almost the same personnel, one is better than the other.
Everybody that posts, votes on which version of "Night In Tunisia" is the best.
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Mary_jo, although this is a jazz thread it is first and foremost a good music thread.
I have heard of J. J. Cale, but this is the first time I listened to his music. Both of your submissions are very good.
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Here is the lineup for Pryso's "Night In Tunisia", the "hard bop" kings.
Art Blakey – drums
Lee Morgan – trumpet
Wayne Shorter – tenor saxophone
Bobby Timmons – piano
Jymie Merritt – bass
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Rok, you did the same thing as Frogman, you voted for the contestants as opposed to the music.
"Diz" sounded tired compared to his Town Hall blowing. You could call Bud Powell "Laid Back", but I say he lacked the energy of Al Haig. Bird was blowing a white plastic sax; yall git out of here.
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Frogman, you based your decision on the "superflous" reason of a small difference in personel, when "Bird" and "Diz" was what mattered. Never the less, I plugged my best set of headphones in for this audition.
"On the other hand, the solos by both Bird and Dizzy on the version with Al Haig are incredible. Bird’s solo break is a wonder. Tough choice, aren’t we lucky?"
No, it wasn't a tough choice, for the very reason you stated, plus Curley Russell comes in smoking on the intro. That's followed by Diz's "riffs". Max Roach is white hot on drums, Al Haig gives us a nice piano solo, but the best is yet to come. At 1:16, "Bird's" lightening fast riffs, that are as smooth as silk lets us know who is the "riff king".
At 4:44, after Diz heard Bird, he knew he had better not come back "shucking and jiving", and he lets loose a flurry of crystal clear, crisp clean riffs.
Without a shadow of a doubt; "The Town Hall Concert" is the best.
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You can't wriggle your way out of this one Frogman, the music was better at "The Town Hall Concert", and since you are a musician you know it, and if you don't, put some headphones on and listen.
Like I said, Bird had a white plastic sax at Massey Hall, not even the great "Bird" was good enough to blow himself away on that one; and that's who he was competing with.
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Frogman, I don't believe you gave the music a critical listen; consequently you gave a "wrong" answer, and now you're locked into your wrong answer. Yes, subjective opinion can make a difference, but sometimes there is "objective" reality.
Anybody else, I would let it slide, because they are not capable of making an "objective" evaluation of the music, but you are.
You even stated why the "Town Hall" is better;
" On the other hand, the solos by both Bird and Dizzy on the version with Al Haig are incredible. Bird’s solo break is a wonder. Tough choice, aren’t we lucky?"
What could be more important than those two solos?
You win Frogman, on to the next thing.
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If Mingus hadn't recorded it (though his own bass part was inaudible and had to be dubbed in later) the gig might have ended up as little more than a jazz footnote. But the show was released later as The Quintet - Jazz At Massey Hall, one of the great recorded live shows in the history of the genre. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jazz_at_Massey_HallMingus's bass was inaudible, and had to be dubbed in, but according to some one, that was more important than Diz and Bird's solos. "Massey Hall concert, even though that hyped event had Bud Powell and Mingus backing the horn titans. Massey Hall to me sounds like Bird and Diz were at one another's throats. This one, (The Town Hall Concert) has them sounding like lovers locked in giddy embrace." Any time I read "Massey Hall", I think hype. The worst thing about this debate is that you hear all the flaws, yet you insist that Massey Hall was the best. This thread is "Jazz For Aficionados" and any one who is supposed to be a real "aficionado", can be challenged. |
Rok, I have a 2 CD set titled "Art Blakey & The Jazz Messengers" at the jazz corner of the world which has "Just Coolin" plus another CD.
Amazon is selling this used for $41.11 plus shipping.
I have no idea what's going on?
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Rok, that was the first album I bought by Wynton, it's nice.
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This is the reference in regard to "Night In Tunisia". It was recorded before "Bird's" health deteriorated, it was when the king (Bird) reigned supreme, with "Diz" just a notch behind. All the players on this recording perform as one to project Dizzy Gillespie's concept of a "Night In Tunisia" into music. "The Reference" in jazz is unlike the reference in other things. It doesn't mean someone else has to imitate or duplicate to have a very good version of this tune. Nor does it mean that you aren't free to like another version better, or even consider it the best; it just means what I stated in the first paragraph. This recording projects the very soul of Dizz's concept, and that's what makes it "The Reference" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfLVVHxk4IM |
Mary_jo, that's my favorite, but I don't think that's available on CD or record; the biggest difference is Horace's long piano solo; not only is it long, but it's different, he really jams it.
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Rok, as they say in the South; "He got it in another gear for that one".
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Rok, Miles don't play that; you liable to get a visitation tonight. That was his Aunt Corrine, not his Mama.
"Aunt Corrine had her office right next to my father's. There was a sign out front saying "Dr. Corrine, Reader, Healer" with an open palm facing the viewer. She told people's fortunes. She'd be in her office lighting candles and smoking them cigarettes behind clouds of smoke talking weird stuff. She must have thought I was weird, because as soon as I walked in her office she started lighting candles and smoking cigarettes. Ain't that a bitch; she thought I was weird."
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I sure would like to have seen Ysabel's Table dance; I know it gave Mingus a lot of inspiration, it's the best cut. |
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Mary_jo, Hampton Hawes is someone I haven't heard enough of. It seems the record stores I shopped in, favored hard bop or East Coast, and had very little West Coast in the bins.
Not long ago I read his autobiography; it was kind of sad, but it didn't stop his music.
I enjoy your selections in jazz.
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Pryso, now it's coming back to me; I first heard that in a ladies apartment who was a Miles Davis fanatic, and she had everything he had recorded; this must have been in 1960.
Funny thing, I don't remember the cover, but now I remember the tracks; that was a most unforgettable "On Green Dolphin Street"; it always brings back pleasant memories.
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Alex, I heard that in 1960, but couldn't connect with the music. Recently I saw the movie, and discovered the genius of Miles. But for me, the music didn't register without the movie.
When I listen to it now, I know what the music is depicting, and it's all sad, but beautiful.
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I forgot to mention Pryso, make sure you see the movie, and after all these years, you will really enjoy the music.
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Mary_jo, according to my tastes you're doing pretty good. When you post music that I consider must have, that's as good as it gets.
Mona Ki Ngi Xica(The child I leave behind) letras (lyrics) Bonga is must have; I hope it's available.
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Rok, could you post that African lady dancing into the village with her troupe again, I can't remember her name.
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Rok, I noticed that was released in 2010; that means high recording quality; although I've recently gotten into "analog"; that's something new and exotic, I think the CD will do.
Eliades Ochoa - guitar, vocals
José Ángel Martínez - double bass
Jorge Maturell - congas, bongos, cowbell
Onsel Odit - chorus, rhythm guitar
Eglis Ochoa - maracas, guiro, chorus
Malian musicians
Toumani Diabaté - kora
Bassekou Kouyate - ngoni
Kasse Mady Diabaté - vocals
Djelimady Tounkara - guitars
Fode Lassana Diabaté (originally from Guinea) - balafon
Baba Sissoko - talking drum
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Alex, and Mary_jo, I can't thank you two enough for consistently posting albums I must have. These albums will be precious, and I know they will get repeated play; that's a sure sign of a winner.
Pryso, you have been posting nothing but killers, but we seem to have the same record collection; even bought them not too far apart in time; that's an indication that good jazz minds think alike.
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According to Wikipedia; Yusef lateef, October 9, 1920 – December 23, 2013 was an American jazz multi-instrumentalist, composer and prominent figure among the Ahmadiyya Community in America, in 1950. Although Lateef's main instruments were the tenor saxophone and flute, he also played oboe and bassoon, both rare in jazz, and also used a number of non-western instruments such as the bamboo flute, shanai, shofar, xun, arghul and koto. He is known for having been an innovator in the blending of jazz with "Eastern" music. Peter Keepnews, in his New York Times obituary of Lateef, wrote that the musician "played world music before world music had a name. Lateef wrote and published a number of books including two novellas entitled A Night in the Garden of Love and Another Avenue, the short story collections Spheres and Rain Shapes, also his autobiography, The Gentle Giant, written in collaboration with Herb Boyd. Along with his record label YAL Records, Lateef owned Fana Music, a music publishing company. Lateef published his own work through Fana, which includes Yusef Lateef's Flute Book of the Blues and many of his own orchestral compositions. He is one of my very favorite musicians, and I'm going to share some of my favorite cuts with you; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uE65pr0JoHAYou wont find a bad cut on "Yusef Lateef, Live at Peps", plus he plays more different kind of flutes than I knew existed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUVS6coChvII've got more versions of "Delilah" than you can shake a stick at; I believe "Delilah's" are born, not made; she really rocked Sampsons world. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDVy2B0prgoRead the magic words someone added to Delilah; "At dusk, when all is still, I will sing Delilah's song. I will sing it to the evening wind. I will sing it to the rolling hills and rushing streams. With unfathomable passion and joyous spirit I will sing Delilah's song. I will sing of her soft brown eyes and raven hair, her dark ebony skin and velvet lips. I will sing of her long sensual kisses and the fire she invokes deep in my heart. I will sing Delilah's song until we are united once again" Yusef magic Today I am celebrating "Yusef Lateef" |
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Alex, you did it again, you hit the ball out of the park; that JATP article was most informative, I certainly didn't know all that about the JATP. Keep up the good work.
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"WAR's" greatest appeal was to the urban ghetto, and I don't connect R&R to the urban ghetto. When I was young, when talking about R&R we were talking about Elvis Presley, or Bill Haley and the Comets, or Chuck Berry, but now I don't know. While I have 3 albums or more by "WAR", I do not have even one album that could be considered R&R. Somehow, I can understand why "WAR" is not in the R&R hall of fame. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptIcert_Ra8 |
By the way, the ghetto was paradise when this song came out compared to what it is today. I know blame the victim, but since I'm a long time student of sociology, I know better.
This is also closely related to "The American Dream"; it's not all Black and White, but class as well; Oh, I forgot, it's forbidden to discuss "Class" in the USA, just ask FOX TV if you think I'm lying.
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