Jazz for aficionados
I prefer these two also...
The 2 albums i like the most with Sonny Rollins is with Coleman Hawkins... And this one : The Definitive Sonny Rollins on Prestige, Riverside, and Contemporary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlG4eon5AzE&list=OLAK5uy_lKyMDWBMnVUa-5nZJO0taH2VBGl2nkOPk
And i am "ashamed" to say that i like Sadao Watanabe ...😊 |
I like so much Paul Desmond with Jim Hall ... Or Sadao Watanabe some of his pure jazz albums... Like Chet Baker they dont show off, they dont play the saxophone, they speaks and sing with it... Any great musician if it show off , even if it is a genius repel me... I can admire them but not to listen to them many hundred times ... But the one i listened hundred or thousand times are the one who sing a song , and dont need to prove themselves as master... Sadao Watanabe is very unrecognized in america... Paul Desmond is more well recognized... I like their humble stance facing a song .... They serve it and never use it for a show... The greatest musician dont prove anything and dont feel the need to...They only sing and spoke... It is only my "taste" and takes...😊
Watanabe in "tokyo dating" .... One of my beloved album among the 10 i owned .. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2y5Gtdd-SU Paul Desmond Jim Hall : |
I was describing my taste not an objective judgement... For example there is many trumpeters more virtuoso with the trumpet, not one can spoke as Baker minimalistically do or very , very few at least ...I dont know one... There is no fault with the others trumpeter i like them too... But i prefer those as Watababe, Baker, and Desmond among others who play minimalistic and song the song... There is a great difference between being impressed by a piece and listening it a few times and being moved by a piece and listening to it hundred times... That was my point... I am admirative and amazed by many more musicians i like too but more rarely moved by very few i loved more than i liked ...
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In general i listened new albums one time or few times thats all ... I listened more often the one that moves me... I prefer coming back to what i love than just exploring the new for the sake of novelty... I am more in search of what will move me....Desmond and Watanabe i discovered not long ago do it...It is why i posted them here...Sometimes some musician dont move me for sure at first but impress me so much i begun to love them too... It is less frequent... For example : Sun Ra and Walt Dickerson "visions" album is a masterpiece ... I dont understand why this album is not in all top ten... Two geniuses... Here they impress me so much i begun to be moved... It is paradoxical....Usually being impressed is not enough , i must first be moved... 😁 I like with my brain but i love with my heart... With this album it start with my brain being impressed...It is not usual beginning for an album i will love ... Here i learned how to love ... I begun to love it after understanding their perfect complicity and what they were trying to do , and miraculously that moved my heart in another plane... Too great album to be a popular one though ...One of the great jazz album of all time... Why ? creativity but their communication ... Only two top musicians at their peak speaking to one another on the highest level as it is very rare to encounter ... |
I am exactly like you if you read my two last posts... I dont like very much unstructured music free jazz music ... And i like when the -players dont show off but sings... But there is exceptions, like some Eric Dolphy albums... And Walt Dickerson and Sun Ra... i precisely recommended them as exception about my first preference for humble singing albums by trumpeters or sax players... my advice : listen to it anew and let it grow on you and observe the wonderful complementarity between the two musicians and the creativity and their creation of complete new sound...... For sure you are right anyway ... We all have our idiosyncrasies and tastes.. 😊 We can only suggest.... For the benefit of one...
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The root of jazz 2,000 years ago... 😊 Anyway there is no thread where to put this masterpiece...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc-CUbs4MW0&list=PLnQJF3Qi_4_BtOFz67wqI-YczH7dw5ogv&index=99&t=221s And this one : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lqRWaGd8bc&list=PLnQJF3Qi_4_BtOFz67wqI-YczH7dw5ogv&index=100&t=436s
Perhaps it remind me of another incarnation... |
You are right and wrong about my post at the same time ...😊 It was a joke about three great artists i know about but i come here and in the classical thread to spoke about music...I did not know where to recommend them... Anybody know that jazz is born in America inheriting from black musicians ... Then there is no sarcasm about the real roots of jazz nor against asia... I read one day the history of a kazz musician who go back in Africa to rediscover his roots... this black american musician play some jazz to the Africans musicians... One of them say listening some jazz, it does not "roll"... Listening some other jazz pieces he said this time it "roll"... This surprized the american black jazzman but he begin to understand something about the universality of music... It "roll" or not...being it american jazz or african music or asian music... I assume that rolling mean a perfect spontaneous improvised integration between the beat,rythm,melody, harmony and the moving body of the players... For example this yoruba drumming "roll"... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfnERafje58
jazz is universal as "rolling" is... This does not negate the black musicians geniuses who created it... Nor the asian one who "Jazz" in their own way... I like any style or genre when it "roll"... The Chopin mazurka are very difficult to play by a pianist... Very few are able to make these dances "rolling"...This one can... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLi2uwGOYBg&t=43s I love Chet Baker and sax Sadao Watanabe and Coleman Hawkins for example because it "roll" not because it is jazz : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO2RWWqZqOc
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Frogman wrote to me when i came back here ... But i never read another post of him here for long... We need him... I hope that he is not ill... I guess he is not young as i am no more too...
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Three geniuses and more... Thanks my friend ... I dont know Frank Morgan , i will listen surely... These days i listen very much a big box album of Desmond, i appreciate his minimalistic "rolling"... 😊
I just come back from my bicycle...😊
i will correct you here if i may to precise my thinking... It is "rolling" that the africaqn master said not swinging... The diffrence is when you swing , there is a repeat beat most of the times that not vary continuously imposed by the melody in some case... When its "roll" the reference is not only to the balancing movement of the player body, but to his ability to improvise a CONTINUOUSLY transformative rythm who do not swing but who rolls one beat into another new one without end... It is why "rolling" expression can apply even to classical pianist interpretation as well as free jazz...There is no "swing" in Scriabin , or in a Persian master of tanbur, but as said the African master of african music there can be a "rolling" or not, if the pianist can integrate spontaneously and without discontibnuities , the melody, the rythm , the harmony in one complex "roll" through his hands and body ... If the African master had means swingibng , i will had never remember this anecdote... I was stunned by the African master understanding as was the American jazz musician who learn from him... I dont remember who it was i read that decades ago... |
Yes i remember this album between Stitt and Rollins ... I loved it.... You remind me to listen to it anew... The only reason i did not listen to it for a long time is the limit of my dac bank music files...It does not contains all my musical files but only a fraction , less than 1/2 giga byte... I use this dac bank because i am off the grid with my battery dac and the sound quality is better than when i was using my computer memory as bank...
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It is my Bill Evans day... i listen to him non stop on my computer with a very good small dac by Hifimedy and my self powered M-audio AV40 low cost desktop speakers optimized speakers in my "acoustically installed " dedicated corner, i can assure you that Bill Evans "roll" so much well , it is impossible to stop listening him...( and yes a listening on 100 bucks well optimized speakers can almost be audiophile experience they must delivered basic good upper bass for sure for piano listening but my M-audio is the model with a very good bass boost with no distortion , i used diffusion and absorption and a three pieces foldable screen as an acoustic tool and some shungite and quartz on the speakers😁) He is not a great jazz pianist, there is many others i loved very much, he is one of the greatest i ever listen to , not because he plays better, some plays more virtuoso than him , but no other roll so much well... He is humble and music dedicated as the late Chet Baker was... The way he play cannot be taught, you feel the "rolling" in ONE or not.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OI8zUgR8czI&list=PLnQJF3Qi_4_A1sxJ9O8sIpxKOTsGoe_Ya&index=12 |
No, you are absolutely right... I remember as yesterday memory because Jones impacted me a lot and at this times at 20 and yet i regarded jazz as inferior to classical music ... i lacked musical education at 20 and i am not alas! a musician ... 😊 now i loved jazz as much as classical...And any traditional music in the world...
But to my surprize at 20, Jones dont put easy previsible beats to express his virtuosity, as many drummers with no genius would, instead he demonstrated his musical understanding of the "rolling" into ONE of all musical aspects in his gesturing.... It was the first time in my life i encounter a really great musician...
He was able to make music "roll"... not rock n and roll AT ALL.... Only subtles variations improvised with the highest artistry... But as i said rolling is not about a repeateable swing or beat, it is the way the musician creative gesture improvise on the spot by expressive necessity ... Keith Jarrett "roll" his improvisation at Koln concert in one masterpiece for example ... "rolling" is the integration of melody, rythms, harmonies, IMPROVISING playing micro tonal gestures in ONE single expressive event ... For example in classical there is difference when some pianist play a piece with no understanding but only perfect reproduction ,or high virtuosity and some others who are able to improvise a real EXPRESSIVE felt interpretation... When the music "roll" it is beyond perfection or imperfection , it is living... There is no relation with any musical genre, the african master who tell about "rolling music" to the american black jazzman , does not spoke about african music nor about jazz, it is the way i understood it... A japanese musician playing koto can roll or not...The African master express a universal truth about playing...
" Roll" mean a SPIRAL integrating every aspect of music and sound in one musical gesture... It is IMPREVISIBLE.... Coleman Hawkins know how to "roll" and Sofronitsky playing Scriabin knows too... And pygmies songs "roll"... The last interpretation of choral music i hear and which was "rolling" is Schutz Geistliche Chormusik by Mauesberger... The chorus roll as pygmies singing... Miraculous so much i listen to it really 1000 times in the last 35 years...
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I will try it because you recommended it... 😊 I discovered all music slowly in my life journey ...From classical first to world music and jazz last... Jazz has an enormous output of works... I listen obsessively....Attached to some players way more than to others which are great musiciand too ...But the heart dont "think" before loving.... I never really listen to Petrucciani... I will...
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Thanks for this unknown Shaw in my personal country....
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It is frogman who recommended me Woodie Shaw 2 years ago ...😊 he is with Louis Armstrong and Chet Baker my three favorite trumpet of all times... Very different musicians... I discovered many albums but i listen till now not to all of them...😁
This album real title is : "in my own sweet way".... Not "the organ grinder " which is the title of one of the song.... |
Wow !
I listened this album long time ago...It is a masterpiece...
It is masterful fusion...
Ali Akbar Khan is a legend...And Handy know it and he got it.... Great musician... I dont like fusion so much by the way... This album is an exception... ( i must be a purist or a snob ) 😊 Indian and persian music are very sophisticated music and my favorite... On par with jazz... Thanks I must now look for Monterose and this one... At all cost... But i just upgrade and bought today a 1000 dollars amplifier servant for my King K340 or a pre-amp for his servant Sansui... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQGkMVdKxEY
My wife will kill me for any album this week...She manage the books not me... 😁
I just finished my acoustic corner in the basement with cheap but good small self powered box... The sound quality of these little box was unknown to me and i bought them 12 years ago... Why ? it is the first time i dedicated an acoustic location for them... Audiophiles who throw too much money are deluded, ACOUSTIC is queen... I listen to these speakers for all all your suggestion ... And believe it or not i dont regret now any of my past way better speakers... Why ? ACOUSTIC...I learned about acoustic in the last 7 years... I never listened to my Tannoy in a real optimal acoustic... People will think that i am a fool because i prefer my 100 bucks little box to my legendary Tannoy... People dont undertstand the power of acoustic... It is easy to decipher across all audio thread...
Anyway the gear serve music not the opposite... With acoustic optimization less may be better... 😁 |
To thank you all , a masterpiece you probably dont know... 😊 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqvMGE9xzT8&list=PLnQJF3Qi_4_A1sxJ9O8sIpxKOTsGoe_Ya&index=33 |
There is many very refined musician in Japan....I love them all... 😊
Eiji Kitamura clarinet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dtkyv5SR6I&list=PLnQJF3Qi_4_A1sxJ9O8sIpxKOTsGoe_Ya&index=25
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irllT_v6uuU&list=PLnQJF3Qi_4_A1sxJ9O8sIpxKOTsGoe_Ya&index=26 |
This double album with many different musicians from japan unknown here is stunning... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD36KIbA9dA&list=OLAK5uy_lRIsKWNhn9T5xOEMfCt1ryTAz6N_MBydE
This double album with other unknown here japan musicians is no less stunning..
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I am in love with Mary Nakamoto
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8pX3kOxCYk&list=RDEM5wWHB8y3wKSd_MQQP2CqDA&start_radio=1
I had also many albums with Junko Onishi |
This one is not from Japan jazz... purely American and stupendous... It is Monterose sax in a club playing for 2 hour 24 minute with the crowd noise in the background...It is not an annoyance, it add to the atmosphere in fact... Chuck D'Aloia is an excellent guitarist with Monterose here... Relaxing at the extreme and very good... Only a simple night in a club well improvised... i enjoy it from yesterday .... Thanks to the Monterose lover here... I have it only on youtube but i can now listen music on youtube with My litlle speakers in a small acoustic corner 7 feet by 8 by 9 with diffusive devices and my chosen minerals on the powered speakers and computer terminals... ... It is amazing.... Audiophile who know a bit of acoustic could live with 200 bucks self powered 2 way speakers... Waiting for my 1000 bucks new headphone amplifier-pre-amp , i feel a bit like an idiot who had made a useless purchase...It will be better on my k340 headphone yes but.... 😊 |
I listen now on two medium: My chinese sabre dac linked to my computer and with the M-audio AV 40 2 way self powered speakers in a completely acoustically dedicated corner... It beat most headphone with imaging , just enough bass ... It is for youtube casual listening.... Sometimes my files... I listen more seriously on my AKG k340 headphone powered by my Sansui alpha and a Hididz Ap 80 pro, with battery powered which decrease noise floor level , with a huge internal files bank ( no computer link then ) and an equalizer necessary for my K340....This dac is a stupendous bargain for what it give me... It is sold as a dap but i use it fixed on my desk... 😊 Now i just upgrade with a dedicated headphone amplifier Microzotll2 at bargain price + remote +linear power supply, , with the choice to use it as a pre-amp of top quality for my Sansui AU 7700, because my K340 may need this power... I will decide which is better : the pre-amp + sansui amp or just the microzotl2 as headphone amp... I receive it tomorrow... I enjoy audiophile sound at low cost... My system will be way under 2000 bucks.....and very satisfying... Acoustic is the key for speakers... For headphone i disliked them all save my K340.... 😁
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Thanks for the appreciation... You are a "connoisseur"... 😊
The AKG K340 is my audio king , i bought the zotl for it... The M-Audio AV40 , i bought 12 years ago , is a masterpiece at peanuts price under only one condition : a very small corner ( i used foldable screen ) acoustically prepared for it...If not i discarded it as without interest 12 years ago....The room was too big and i had no acoustic understanding at these times... Hopefully i kept it... For casual listening it is perfect...I used also "minerals" on my connections... Some think i am a "tin foil hat"... 😁 With all that i enjoy with 100 bucks speakers a soundfield as good if not better than most headphone... But the tonal timbre and space representation and deep bass with the K340 is no match for my little speakers even if they are so good i am astounded by my 100 bucks 12 years old purchase... I listened non stop for the last 2 days to refine my acoustic installation ...
Yes i have this village Vanguard series i listened often... Evans is an artist i vouch only admiration but i am not alone...
Here i prefer to recommend to all unknown or under the radar musicians... I dont think that miles Davis , Chet Baker, or Evans need me and everybody know their name.... Monterose for example i even never read his name and it is interesting ...
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Yes i use them because a boost in the deep bass and in the higher highs boost the two cells working and i equalize with my dac a dip at 1000 hertz... With the microzotl though i will not be able as a pre-amp it will nullify the tone controls of the Sansui AU 7700 and as an headphone too... The tone control of the alpha are very refined , those of the Au 7700 are very good, alas! my alpha had no separation between the power amp and the pre-amp as the Au 7700... Only most costlier alpha give it... 😁 I hope the Zotl 2 is as good as the reviews... Even at bargain price it cost me a lot... 1,600 US at least ... And it is a bargain with remote and linear power supply...2,000 thousand less than the microzotl3... It is a violation of my rule : audiophile experience for the less wealthy citizen which stipulate a system max cost around 1000 bucks... 😊 I succeeded to do so till now with speakers or headphone... But i was curious of the slave ZOTL about the way it will serve the King K340...
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The AKG K340 is a very particular headphone being Hybrid... I did not need to use tone controls in my speakers room nor with my other headphones... But the K340 need a boost around 30 and 40 hertz and around 12,000 hertz... It make it even better... It is because the two cells are more responsive...I never need equalization with my speakers or my other headphones too... With the K340 i need to increase for some Db at 1000 hertz... My ears said so... and the Harman curve too... I am not a "purist" audiophile... I use my ears ... And i serve the K340 , he do not serve me; but he serve my ears...
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I never used an equalizer because i never needed one... I bought my Hidizs dac to serve the K340 and i needed his internal equalizer like the tone control for the K340...I did not want to buy a sophisticated EXTERNAL equalizer, because the task was simple and easy to do around 1000 hertz... I dont used any equalizer with my other headphone and i never need the equalization nor the tone controls really for them...All those years my tone controls were almost unused save by curiosity trials... In my room i did not need an electronical equalization either and anyway i did not want to invest big money in a good one .... I needed a mechanical equalization which i created with a grid of mechanically tuned 100 Helmholtz resonators distributed in some location in bundles to improve the relation between my ears listening position each speaker of the Mission Cyrus 781 in relation with each ears and the room pressure zones distribution... The K340 is one of the most complex headphone ever designed, with his two cells and his inner dual chambers with the 5 Helmholtz tuned resonators and a transformer for the crossover point ... It reacted to the source and too any change negatively or positively very strongly, any modification , mechanical , electrical or acoustical impact the soundfield impression... Single membrane headphone with no internal resonators, as most headphones are, are more previsible in their output... The K340 has aged and need care to reach his optimum... It is not a simple headphone, it is a pair of speakers for the ears, it is why i needed tone controls too +equalisation to optimize them for my own ears... Even the choice of pads thickness and density is critical, i tried five pairs... 😊
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What a great jazz swedish pianist can do with 3 albums :
Inspired by swedish melodies : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j23q5WTDXg4&list=PLnQJF3Qi_4_A1sxJ9O8sIpxKOTsGoe_Ya&index=39
Jazz Inspired by Russian melodies : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvNks1oAjhE
More traditionaL BOP https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca3WsHtuHM0
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I dont like all of his huge output ... Complete free jazz... But i am fascinated by some of his music and personnality... The musicians around him are fascinated by him and tell a very interesting story... If you have time listen to a documentary , because his personnality is very related to his music and help a lot to understand the real genius behind the music ... ... I already posted a masterpiece by him and Walt Dickerson : " Visions " He made another masterpiece with him : " Impression of a patch of blue" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yql5cToVoAw&list=OLAK5uy_kRezZ5od7UbN2T_J4pX3NxcpoMQ4CIHsI His ouput is not commercial nor a "finished" delivered product most of the times as "visions" or "impression of a patch of blue "... But it is a giant anyway ... It is music always in the making ... He played all day long without stop really ... The studio are only some marked spot without great meaning on his ongoing playing process 24 hours /24 without end , some musicians could not escape at all and stay with him and worship him till today......... i even purchased his bio because nobody is so into music that this man as Bach was ...But it is not easy to listen and not fun all the times... Sun Ra like Scriabin is an acquired taste and a learning ... I learned a lot trying to understand him... i learned that music is here to terraform a new earth , exactly the same project as Scriabin , but with jazz... it is more than mere music for entertainment as Scriabin was or Bach... No doubt he is a creative mind of the first order in music .... The question at the end and in the beginning is not about loving or not Sun Ra music, but feeling his goal listenintg it... After all not every musician has as only goal to transform the planet itself... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=238Dh6N9GLg
Then dont try to like him and his music... Try to decipher his bio trough youtube documentary and listen to him at small dose for fun ... Sometimes you will hate it sometimes not ...You will see the effects...😊
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Like him or not, Sun Ra music come from jazz and is described as free jazz... Wrote to wikipedia and advise them to change their labelling... Guess what will be the reaction ? When we dont like someone we dont expell him from history because our taste said so.. I dont like Stockhausen nor Varese nor Xenakis but it is important part of classical music history... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Ra Sorry... 😊
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Sun Ra music is not a commercial product , it was an experience to live in real time... Cd give an idea and also listen to those musicians who experienced this for decades with NO real MONEY, NO real FAME ...Only the musical experience 7 days/7 days ... I dont like and i dont hate Sun Ra music ... I am interested and fascinated by the character and some of his musical output revealing a great musician ... A genius if the word means something but not only a musical genius but genius as a human being ... |
I feel exactly as you feel... It is just that i make exception about "free jazz" with the like of genius Eric Dolphy for example... I dont like most free jazz... Or for "cosmic jazz or interplanetary jazz" i make exception for Sun Ra , because there is an intent manifested in his music whch is not chaos or disharmony "per se"... And anyway this man is very interesting to know... I even bought his biography but i did not read it yet... How many musicians wrote or played music to transform the world ? John Coltrane , Scriabin , Beethoven and Sun ra among few others had this Promethean idea to recreate humanity with music healing power... It takes a fabulous hubris to think to be able to do so and at the same time a total humility as a service to the greater ONE ... Incredible Coltrane, Scriabin, Beethoven and sun Ra and few others i cannot name at various level of hubris, service and devotion....
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Something different...I am not sure if i miss the usual pianist... But the russian trumpeter and the american saxophonist friend are amazing in complicit playing... Sipiagin+Potter https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edyNtGKb4KE&list=PLdFOkuVvI1yx79aD3qATsG1xQpcLBkd4i
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I know Dave Holland... I even have plenty of him... I prefer to recommend here less known name who are great...😊 I look for jazzman i did not even know the name... I admire Oscar peterson and i love particularly his albums dedicated to other composers... but everyone here know Peterson or Holland... How many know Alex Sipiagin , Igor Butman , or Jan Johansson who is a real genius ? I did not even read their name before discovering them by chance... I like to track unknown geniuses... Like a hunter track a deer in his rifle sight...😁 I am in the hunt right now in Japan jazz, Russian jazz, Nordic countries jazz, in particular...
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