Jazz for aficionados

For everyone who is tired of my old jazz, I am going to tune into WSIE Radio and find something new; how many votes can I get for this?

Frogman, how do you get e-mail addresses?  I'm wandering if I should e-mail, or ask you a question here related to $23,000. interconnects?

Like you said Frogman, this is not the thread for that discussion, "The end".

I didn't know, or forgot, when I mentioned WSIE, that they don't play jazz exclusively, but a wide variety which I am not ready for, so we can mark that one off the list.

Primeval jazz was a very good description Innus. The title is in reference to when the first man stood upright.

My observation was Jackie Mac's alto, he blew the best solo he ever played on that one.

Frogman, I don't care how another man spends his money either, but I was trying to exemplify how the gap between rich and poor is widening. I don't believe any "audiophile" would spend $23,000 on a 3 foot interconnect, because he would know the factors involved; such as resistance, conductance, capacitance, and realize how foolish it was; while someone who had been in on the greatest heist ever, which was the robbery of the average, or middle class American when the commodity markets were "illegally manipulated" causing gasoline and food, two necessities of life, to cost twice as much as normal.

In the past you seem to have interpreted my statements regarding such things as having a relationship to capitalism and the "American way of life". What I stated was about over-riding the CFTC and breaking laws that had been laid down to prevent "commodity market manipulation". Imagine if you could "illegally" shift the prices in the commodity markets and reap the profits.

When I guided you to a website that explicitly explained how and when such a thing was done, you simply shrugged it off with a non-comment.

I used those interconnects to exemplify how that group of people who spend money like "confetti" is growing.

Here is another unusual bassist who thinks with his heart; Omer Avital. It is stated that he descends from the Mingus family tree of bassist leaders; he does not need to display his monster chops through solos. The whole band smokes on this one.


       
                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpd-V3jRg04


It's for certain that Omer Avital will get his fair share of my musical allotment for this month; "Marrakesh" is just another one of those places that I dreamed of visiting but never made it.


                                https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDC3Kesm80wlS2qk92CsIjw

Marakesh has always had a deep fascination for me, although it's a long way from the Indian rhythms you prefer.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Yyt3IcWpg8


Here is another favorite by Mingus, or did you hear this recently?


            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5j4dou8osU

Frogman, you were given all sorts of opportunities not to have the discussion which you didn't have; but you jumped off on another subject, I don't get it; one of us is in need of treatment.

Is Mingus volatile or what? I'm going to give that music a serious listen.

Ghosthouse, this is the first time I heard someone other than Mingus play "Goodbye Porkpie Hat". This captures the spirit of sadly missing "Porkpie Hat".

Here's a vocal version of "Goodbye Porkpie Hat"


      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuoXYHQJvpU

Pryso, I've read "Beneath the Underdog" and followed Mingus as well; the man was a stick of dynamite with a short fuse. I thought his encounter with "Fat Gal" was touching. (it's a shame, but I can't recall his real name at the moment)

Inna, after that post, somebody will have to come up with a new word for "exaggeration".

This was a top 40 hit in 1958;


      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBotlTI4BUk

Alex, here's something else for the city. Picture that time of evening when the sky turns dark red, but not dark enough for window lights in the skyscrapers to stand out bold. That's the prelude to a lot of things; maybe even a kiss; that's the prelude to "Bohemia After Dark".


              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5EwGijmqKc


Bohemia after dark is all the way live; all the love that life can promise is just waiting for someone to be at the right place with the right words spoken to the right woman at the right time. ( 40 or 50 years ago of course) on one of the many streets of dreams.


              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOQzRwUNS2g


     

I like to be competitive when it comes to posting selections; I want to post something at least as good as the last five that have been posted, but that's going to take awhile, 5 days maybe.

Here's a forgotten musician that I'll have to get more of; this is Mr. Billy Bang on violin.


          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVJMOpIHBgc


          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryU4UL9E0Fo

Acman, it's hard to believe how long we have been into Mingus without a dull moment. It's more like we've reviewed several different musicians; I wonder if Mingus had multiple personalities? I know I never get tired of all of them, and to think I had forgotten about that one.

These are some of the best contributions I can recall; the last "Weird Nightmare" is especially notable, Debbie Harry is new to me, this vocal puts me into her "Weird Nightmare".


          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCmjeqo9iRc

Although this is a jazz thread, I think this pop documentary is worth presenting. Since I'm almost strictly into jazz, most of you will know more about "Debbie Harry" than me.


        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJaS5mEuWCQ

Ghosthouse, I remembered the name "Blondie", but since I wasn't into it, that's all I remember.

If I had known what you know, I would not have posted that documentary.

We have strayed a long way from "classic jazz", which is exemplified by "Clarence Shaw", to "Weird Nightmare", and "Saigon Phunk", but I think that if you are a "serious listener" you can appreciate them both more because of the contrast.

Billy Bangs "Chan Chan" is about as far from classic jazz as you can get, but I enjoyed it even more after listening to Clarence Shaw's "Breakthrough" which was the epitome of "classic jazz". Instead of just listening to the one cut that was posted, I discovered that if you just let "you tube play" you could get into where the artist was coming from.

On Yo! Ho Chi Minh is in The House, I got into the oriental aspect of the music, especially Bang's violin; but serious listeners settle in for the long haul, and complete enjoyment of the music, including the setting, which was "Vietnam" on this one.

Out of all the music that's been posted, could you let me know which one you did some serious listening to?

While I have many albums in my collection by both Ike Quebec and Grant Green, Dodo Greene is new to me.

Dodo Greene was born in Buffalo, New York in 1924 and began singing at an early age before being given the opportunity to fill-in as a vocalist for Cozy Cole's band which led her to pursue a career in music.

She signed to Blue Note in 1962, becoming the first female vocalist released on that label, but after only one album, "My Hour of Need", did not release another record.


The word "soul" is used a lot in jazz, but when discussing the voice and singing of Dodo Greene, that is the only word that's applicable, that's because I can feel to the depths of my soul when she sings "My Hour of Need";


      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfhOthHU9QM&list=PLrXSWFwzSmZsZMAIO4Po14Grvz8bp7ZDh



Thank you Alex.

Pryso, there is nothing I like better than oriental mixed with jazz. let us hear your favorite.

Before now, I thought I had almost all of Mingus, but it seems that I'm missing more than I thought; that's because he recorded so prolifically. I see that he has the same group as on his most famous album "Mingus Ah Um". He can work things around so many different ways, that it's essential to get "all" of Mingus in order to know him; this is on order.

Pryso, "Mingus Ah Um" had better recording quality than what is posted; how is the recording quality of your "Ming Dynasty"? What I'm hearing could just be a bad post.

I'm not a geek when it comes to recording quality, just fairly good is sufficient.

What you misunderstood Keegiam is the fact that I have a hard time listening to Leon because he's no longer with us, and with my upgraded rig, I can see his face when I hear his voice, and that's very painful because it brings back memories of him that go all the way back to childhood. I loved Leon as a person, and I love his music as well, but I find the fact that he's no longer in the land of the living very painful.


      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CQhTm78fcw

Inna, here's Flamenco with the exotic film clips; the music ain't bad either.


        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GK6H4mZK9Rw


        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oymEZzEXHvQ

Traveling across the Sahara Desert in a caravan has always been one of my fantasies, going all the way back to my childhood, and sometimes I slip into them when I hear music involving camels and the desert.

Take the lyrics to "Caravan"


  "Caravan"

Night and stars above that shine so bright
The myst'ry of their fading light
That shines upon our caravan

Sleep upon my shoulder as we creep
Across the sand so I may keep
The mem'ry of our caravan

This is so exciting
You are so inviting
Resting in my arms
As I thrill to the magic charms

Of you beside me here beneath the blue
My dream of love is coming true
Within our desert caravan!



      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTjPAjq8OMY


Can't you just picture yourself with this exotic creature in your arms while creeping across the desert in a caravan, (I don't know how that works, it's not exactly the same as a limo)


Then there is Hugh Masekela who sings about actually going across the desert in a caravan; so this is what it's really like; he's actually done this before, what an adventure.


          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YJCDQ2i5ME


Can anybody chip in to help me on my journey across the desert?


           

Schubert, while I agree with you about all of those artists, there is one who needs to be added, and that is the one commonly known as "Jug".  

On the jazz scene,  it's not until after you have acquired your "moniker" that is well known on the street, that you have arrived.  As a matter of fact, I'm not going to tell his name, because if you don't know jazz artists by their "street names" you're not an aficionado.

Pryso, that means if you have it, it's of good recording quality.

I'll just disregard the you tube link, and thanks for a recommendation that I had overlooked.

Here are two of Gene Ammons very well known hits; "Canadian Sunset" and "Jungle Strut"



          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vl4_f8Emtw


          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQ3ERhE0KWo

I'm glad you still have your sense of humor in these stressful times.

Since I can't get any help, I'll just have to boogy my caravan across the desert all by myself;  


                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9LWw7-VMm0

Some great jazz artists are so well known that instead of their given names, their albums are titled by their street names, such as "Bean Bags".


        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bean_Bags

Schubert, devout fans of Gene Ammons like myself, couldn't care less if you never even heard of Gene Ammons, much less how much you listen to him.

I wouldn't want to listen to anybody all day, but the question is, "What elicited that statement."

Gene Ammons ranks with the top musicians of all time, and I believe this website establishes  his credentials;


                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_Amm


Inna and Schubert, have either one of you heard of Vanessa Mae? I posted her way back in relation to caravans; she is "Classical" and neither one of you commented, what gives; must be "donnybrook" night.

Here are a couple more tunes by Ammons that I like.


            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If77_P8v7iE



            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AFyS7sZvN0

Evidently, this is provoke Orpheus night; because the only comments that have come in recently are in that direction.

Inna, I asked you a question so long ago that I forgot what the question was, now you come in siding with Schubert about Gene Ammons, when this is the first time I ever heard you comment on Gene Ammons, I'm not sure you know who he is.

You understand Schubert, who listens to classical music and comes down hard on one of the most outstanding jazz musicians, on a jazz thread. I don't think you or Schubert understand each other.

Pryso, some people have the ability to have a pleasant positive conversation, while others don't; some people don't even know the subject of the conversation.

I want you to know that it has been a pleasure discussing various aspects of the jazz greats, and some of their idiosyncrasies as well; I find you extremely knowledgeable about our favorite artists.

Awhile back, I posted links to "Caravan" with what I thought was a humorous twist about actually going on a caravan.

After that I changed the subject to "nicknames" or monikers; Bingo!, you got it right both times, and responded intelligently.

Since it's a waste of time to go back over what has transpired, I wont.



No Pryso, no one else even responded to any one of the three links I put up on "Caravan".

That link you put up is one of the best "hard-bop" examples of the tune.

This is the line-up on that link.

Art Blakey - drums
Freddie Hubbard - trumpet
Curtis Fuller - trombone
Wayne Shorter - tenor saxophone
Cedar Walton - piano
Reggie Workman - bass

Those royalty titles are humorous when you think about them; King, Queen, Duke, Duchess....


 

Pryso, again you hit the nail dead on the head; "Lady Day" for example in reference to Billie Holiday.

As you know, the daughters of dukes, marquesses and earls are by courtesy "ladies"; as well as the woman they marry; hence, "Lady Day" has to be a lady of aristocratic bearing.


Schubert, here's Casandra Wilson "Caravan"


          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfW7l5mjpZk

Alex, here lately, every time you post it adds to the albums I don't have, but must have; the sidemen alone tell the story, Junior Cook, Tina Brooks, and Bobby Timmons are artists I never tire of, and don't have enough of. Each solo on this Kenny Burrell album is a revelation.

It's amazing how many different ways "Caravan" has been worked, from the quirky "Monk", to the straight ahead "Ella".

Frogman, as you so stated "Ella" set the standard for Caravan.

Although Monk was a little "quirky" as you would expect, it was different and I liked it.

I think your submissions demonstrated all the different ways Caravan could be worked and still sound good.

This is not an attempt to change the direction, I just felt like honoring "Sgt Pepper".


          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ooeMXnPuIg

Pryso, I began with the lyrics that Ella sang to "Caravan" .

   
Night and stars above that shine so bright
The myst'ry of their fading light
That shines upon our caravan

Sleep upon my shoulder as we creep
Across the sand so I may keep
The mem'ry of our caravan

This is so exciting
You are so inviting
Resting in my arms
As I thrill to the magic charms

Of you beside me here beneath the blue
My dream of love is coming true
Within our desert caravan!


And took that to my longtime fantasy of actually going on a caravan across the desert, which would be in perfect harmony with Ella's lyrics, to include beautiful exotic babe.

Hugh Masekela sings about his memory of joining a caravan in a tiny town in the desert and blazing across the Sahara. That came as close as anything I could picture.


In the comments section, Ealorise Holmes says it grabbed at her, and it was most certainly in line with my fantasy.


                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YJCDQ2i5ME


                     
It doesn't matter whether or not it's close to jazz, as long as the music puts the caravan fantasy of moving across the Sahara in motion.

Pryso, maybe my caravan fantasy has come to the end of it's line; I couldn't find any music to move it along, but hopefully you did.

Lew Tabackin, "Desert Lady" is quite interesting, possibly in the mold of the Sahara Desert.


                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLRNMnAPnTI

                   
                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTp9mjI04kM


       

I think I'm getting closer to a modern caravan;


      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=297klwcKKmI

Caravans were temporary associations of merchants who joined together to make the difficult journey under the leadership of a hired caravan leader using camels rented from the nomadic bedouins who lived in the desert. They often included one thousand to five thousand camels and hundreds of people. Typically, a third of the camels carried food and water for the caravan as a whole.

The success of a caravan depended on the caravan leader, who was typically a desert bedouin. Paid either in cash or as shares of the merchants’ profit, a caravan leader was responsible for navigating the route from watering place to watering place, managing relationships with the desert population–who could quickly turn from service providers to marauders–and supervise the daily work of loading, unloading, and feeding the camels. He had a paid team of laborers, scouts, healers and occasionally a Muslim clergyman to provide services, all generally members of the same bedouin tribe as the leader.

Oases were the critical element. They were resting places where the caravan could find food, water, and fresh camels–the medieval equivalent of the truck stop. Some of the larger oases held regular markets during the caravan season, which typically ran from October to March in order to avoid the worst heat. The failure of a caravan to reach an oasis could mean disaster not only to the caravan but to those who lived at the oasis and depended on the trans-Saharan trade for their survival.



                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz0ZHjnsZDE



                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Kn3JnAtKVU


I can only vaguely remember the movies with the caravan and the Sahara as the setting; that's what excited my fantasies of traveling by caravan across the desert, and of course Ella Fitzgerald's song.

I think my fantasy has faded; it's gotten lost with the shifting sands.

Pryso, that's perfect, I have most of his CD's; they are very ornamental. This is even better than my fantasy, because we have moved into the reality of music in that part of the world, which has stayed close to the original since the time of Jesus. I thank you for your last contribution.

My last contribution is forthcoming, after which this chapter is closed.

Ghosthouse, Wes Montgomery can never be a dead camel.