Jazz for aficionados
Acman, this is my kind of music, going back to "Zap Mama"; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtI91wVr6vs No, this is not "classic jazz" for sure, but this music has been incorporated into classic jazz resulting in an even better sound. Enjoy the music. |
Pryso, this music is very much appreciated; I considered it "old foggy's" music when I first got into modern jazz (Diz & Bird), but now I realize the relationship it has to jazz overall, plus the contribution it's made to the big picture. Do you remember those old Black and White cartoons on the TV when we were just kids? Somebody commented on how they used that music ( the music you have presented) a lot on those funny's. When you think about it, that music made those funny's. The different ways in which we have been exposed to things is amazing. I am going to peruse the music you've presented later on in the day and get back to you. Thanks for finding it. |
Sahib Shihab (born Edmund Gregory; June 23, 1925, Savannah, Georgia – October 24, 1989, Nashville, Tennessee) was an American jazz and hard bop saxophonist (baritone, alto, and soprano) and flautist. He variously worked with Luther Henderson, Thelonious Monk, Fletcher Henderson, Tadd Dameron, and Dizzy Gillespie amongst others. On August 12, 1958, Shihab was one of the musicians photographed by Art Kane in his famous photograph known as "A Great Day in Harlem". In 1959, he toured Europe with Quincy Jones after getting disillusioned with racial politics in the United States and ultimately settled in Scandinavia. He worked for Copenhagen Polytechnic and wrote scores for television, cinema and theatre. This is what mmai submitted; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QK5fjJcQOk&t=920s It's 37 enjoyable minutes long, and I considered it to be jazz of the highest caliber. Submissions on this thread are like resumes, they state your qualifications as an "aficionado". Some seem to have trouble with that word; since that's what I am, and consider this thread as one for those who are like minded, I can't think of a more appropriate title than "Jazz For Aficionados". mmai, this particular submission rates an "A" from me. |
Rok, I'm more curious about "Miles the person". I talked to his childhood friends, the ones he went to school with, played football and basketball with, went swimming with; I wanted to know about Miles the person, not Miles the musician. All of the people I talked to loved him like a brother. I know for a fact that when he invited these people to his home for a party, none of his musician colleagues were allowed; those parties were just that private. They (colleagues) verified that. |
Pryso, I listened to the music you submitted, but couldn't really get into it; it was just before my time, I couldn't even find those cartoons I was talking about. My trolley just completely jumped the track, I'll tell you about it. After my last analog upgrade, I decided to record "Cat people"; that's the sound track from this movie about people who change into Big Black Cats. The movie was OK but the soundtrack was a monster. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HvJfeSk1RU&list=PL0C46966F4ED6666F These upgrades put all kind of life and mystery into that record; especially side 2. If you ain't got it get it. |
Alex, here's something Rok submitted that goes back to a time when dance halls were common; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8yGGtVKrD8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahoJReiCaPk&index=2&list=RD_8yGGtVKrD8 |
Pryso, no one can understand the relationship between music, and the people or events surrounding the music more than me; if it was my dad's music, I'd probably be playing it every other day, but as it stands, I have almost none of it in my collection. What a person has in his collection tells all you need to know about his likes and dislikes. While I like jazz, I don't have any 'new jazz'; but on the other hand, I'm still catching up with the 'old jazz'; I can't go both ways at the same time. Enjoy the music. |
I'm not quite as focused as you are Pryso, but I still listen to 'classic jazz' more than anything else; today I seem to be in a Stanley Turrentine mood. It seems that anything by him suits me today. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XT5WsSwR8wU As far as "new"; not meaning July 17, but new to me, is "Sonny Criss". I love it when I come across an artist who has been in my very own collection for a long time, and all I know is the picture of a boat on the CD and his name, but that means nothing because it got lost in the shuffle. Here is something by "Sonny Criss", and it's new and fresh sounding to me; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3w-Oj0FoLN4 Submit your favorite by Stanley and see what you can find by Sonny Criss. Enjoy the music. |
Frogman, I was not speaking of a single CD, but when you get a bunch of CD's in a box set that looks like a super bargain. I'll go for the single CD's. That one you submitted has got to be boss; here is one of my favorite cuts from that set; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEjYm6iRZ1o This is the longest cut from "Up At Mintons". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qslqo9fvYzs&list=PL750EB0C04C34D457 |
I'm sure I've posted this, but for those who haven't seen it; here's Stanley Turrentine with "Salt Song" https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=stanley+turrentine+salt+song Out of all the albums I like by Stanley, this is my favorite; I like every single solitary note on this album. |
Frogman, were you familiar with "Sonny Cris"? That CD I had by him was purchased a long time ago at a real nice place where you could review CD's on headphones, buy books of all kinds, or have a glass of wine. It's too bad we don't have places like that anymore; there are a lot of reasons for that. We, the citizens, don't realize that some things that go wrong in our society are because we don't look into the reasons why they went wrong. Any thread, every thread, is a good one to discuss things of this nature. I don't believe audiophiles have any idea of how many things have gone wrong in the last 20 years that should not have gone wrong; I do. |
There have been bloody islands in the Mississippi River between St. Louis and Illinois; this was one of them, but not the only one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Island_(Mississippi_River) |
Some better Flamenco from Paco De Lucia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBfxZQbCBs0 Paco 'Maleguena' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_yvYU5hJ_A Enjoy |
Stephen Raymond Vaughan (October 3, 1954 – August 27, 1990) was an American musician, singer, songwriter, and record producer, and one of the most influential guitarists in the revival of blues in the 1980s. I've got a brand new album (LP) by "Little Stevie" that I didn't even know I had. It's titled "Couldn't Stand The Weather" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htJmBUgALXY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGPx-ekqZEo This is da blues! |
How about just plain old "Spanish Guitar" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oyhlad64-s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9efHwnFAkuA With a little Mexico thrown in; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIJZSs2gxdo |
Fourwnds, I don't have it, but I will get it. Zawinul Syndicate 75th Lugano 2007 - Orient Express -. I see that Amazon has it, but I didn't see the LP's I would like to have. That music runs on two tracks at the same time; one is quite intricate; which is Zawinul's nature, and the other is rhythmic, the one Sabine is on. Is that LP for 23.98 the one you are referring to, is that the double LP? If it is I'll order it tonight. |
Like you said Inna, those albums were mood dependent; but they sounded ever so good when you were in that mood; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLomzUgEsEI&list=RDf6qqmrcVEqg&index=2 |
Inna, can you connect with this; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7VxvMLz1kI The reason I ask is because I'm going to make the transition from Zawinul in fusion day to the present. |
Inna, I'm going to conclude our sessions with Arabic Flamenco guitar, and get back into jazz. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adUkn51t0lc |
Lets get into the jazz bass players; Ray Brown. Marcus Miller. Oscar Pettiford Victor Wooten Charlie Haden Wilbur Ware Paul Chambers Jaco Pastorius Oscar Pettiford is my favorite, and I might repeat myself. I would like for you to find your favorite and post it. whether or not it's one of the above matters not. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5EwGijmqKc |
Acman, Kamasi Washington is picking up where "Trane" left off; he's doing this in his mind and in my mind. He can do this, and still be quite individualistic. I see he has also scored for films. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IZt1bHF0GU This is a guy to be listened to; he is as adventuresome as Mingus was when I first heard him. |
Pryso, you are so correct; that was a result of my laziness (or tiredness) I just requested a list from google. I still stand by Pettiford because I was thinking exclusively of the instrument. When you include all of Mingus's talents, he is head and shoulders above anyone else who plays bass, and that's for certain. |
That's very good Ghosthouse, and that explains why I haven't bought any 'new, new' jazz. If I bought that Herby Hancock, I would be buying 'old' new jazz. when you take listening to old records after an upgrade, that would mean having heard that record for the 'umpteenth' time, but it sounds new all over again. I hope I'm responding to your point. |
Bassist Christian McBride is the creative chair for jazz at the Los Angeles Philharmonic –- which means he gets to put together programs at Walt Disney Concert Hall with music he loves. One of the musicians he loves most is jazz pianist and composer Horace Silver. "Horace Silver's music has always represented what jazz musicians preach but don't necessarily practice, and that's simplicity," McBride says. "It sticks to the memory; it's very singable. It gets in your blood easily; you can comprehend it easily. It's very rooted, very soulful." I recall an interview of Horace Silver, in which he was telling about the problem he was having with his bass player who was tired of playing the same lines time after time. This is the way the bass player described it. "I'm tired of playing that same Bing, Bong, Bang time after time". This was when Horace had a successive sting of hits, and they must have all had similar bass lines. Horace told him, "I got to have you man, that Bing, Bong, Bang is the back bone of the music we got going on lately." I know that "Senor Blues" was one of the tunes the bass player was referring to, and the bass line must have been similar in a number of other tunes. Regardless how important the same bass line was, the bass player said, "I got to do something different". Personally, I never noticed it, but maybe you musicians can hear and point out this bass line. I'll post "Senor Blues", and you guys can post others at about that time with the same bass line. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRdlvzIEz-g |
Acman, the reason I remember that interview is because Horace was so funny, and at the same time articulate. The bassist was tired of repeating "Bing, Bong, Bang" but Horace couldn't live without Bing, Bong, Bang. They both had a good point, and as I recall they had an amicable split. I see you can understand something like that. I didn't realize how essential those bass lines were in the string of hits Horace had. I wish I could point them out but I can't; maybe you or Frogman could find the repetitive bass lines in Horace's early string of hits. |
This is one of my favorite, but Mingus's least played records. That solo by Jackie McLean on alto sax has to be one of his best ever. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB6GkA54n_Q |
I was living at home with the folks when I bought this; that wasn't cool at all; I could really identify with this LP, "Please let me be cool". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOKjTzW4IWM This is the cool blues. |
I had a friend named Sandra who had the blues, this is "Sandra's Blues" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMgwWAaxQQ4 |
Inna, everything for "audiophiles" is badly overpriced. You are an "audiophile" if, and only if you have a specified large amount to spend on such purchases, and won't hesitate to spend it. You are not an audiophile if you hesitate to spend a large amount of your disposable income on audiophile purchases. (that goes with the new definition) When the commodity markets were manipulated (when gasoline cost $4.00 or even $5.00 per gallon) the people on the right side of that equation ( the politically connected) made an astronomical amount of money, and they can still afford to spend a ridiculous amount of money on any thing they choose. That equation shifted the average income down. (the price of food was manipulated too) If you had to pay more for food and gasoline, two of the basic necessities of life; that amounted to a decrease in your disposable income; ( your bank account took a big hit, now you're lucky if you have one) the amount of money left for frivolities is a lot less now. Although many of us object to reality, that's the life we have to live; unless we were on the right side of the equation, and can afford a 100K amp. |
Frogman, it's not fascinating or mysterious, just a fact of life; the same thing goes for athletes. So much of who you are, was determined before you were born; it's a lot about "who was yo daddy". If your daddy was rich, I would venture to say you don't have too many financial problems, and even those will be reduced when he joins honorable ancestors. |
Alex, the very first thing that impressed me about Clarence Shaw's record was the cover; a picture of urban decay; that means he has consideration for those at the bottom. I can't quite explain it, but there is something about the music that sounds like Chicago; it's hip, classic jazz, that rings of the South Side. (that was when there was only one "South Side", and that was the South Side of Chicago, even Al Capone was headquartered on the South Side in much earlier times) This music was made for settling back into your favorite chair, and just letting the music absorb you. That trumpet is so smooth and unpretentious, while the accompanying musicians blend in perfectly; I hope this album is still available. |
When there are many who can not only afford, but are willing to pay this price, I wonder.... https://www.stereophile.com/content/siltech-and-crystal-cable-big-and-small |
Inna, there are many "new" audiophiles in the market that producers are capitalizing on; they are the ones who are convinced that the most expensive is the best; hence "some" records are much higher than normal; especially when money to these new audiophiles is like confetti. While it's true that there have always been a few, never in such large numbers; this can be confirmed by the ads in "Stereophile" |
Tony Scott absorbed the blues bird felt and projected it; that's what you and Frogman heard Inna; there was no Zen meditation projected in that clip. If you read every scrap of paper that you could find involving the life of Charlie Parker, including his childhood, you would know that he was haunted by many inner demons that never letup; Tony Scott projected the blues Bird must have felt. |
Inna could you describe this unusual music for me? But make sure you listen all the way through. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB6GkA54n_Q |
