Jazz for aficionados
Rok, I had no idea I was so far behind with Mingus; while I have the originals, he has reworked them so many different ways, they are the new originals. I keep thinking about "Dr. John" that great "Nawlins" philosopher "There are only so many croaks in a frog, and so many barks in a dog"; one day this dog gonna bark his last bark; it's time to git all that old jazz that I aint got before that last woof. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAR6vLIMqEw Enjoy the music. |
Daledeee, no you're not at all out of place; I have all of the artists you posted in my collection. I think we all have different moods, and play the albums you posted from time to time. From my point of view, it's all about what pleases you, I see no need in learning how to listen; either you like or you don't like it, otherwise you waste money buying it. Please post some of your favorite albums and enjoy the music. |
To all Aficionados, old and new; I have come to the conclusion that there is so much "Jazz Jazz" out there that I have not heard, which was unavailable a short time ago, that personally, my attention will be focused on it's acquisition. But have no fear, Ackman, and Frogman are here to cover new jazz. (it's nice to have a backup). That doesn't mean I wont still be looking for, and listening to new jazz; it's just that those two are far more qualified to review it than I am. Enjoy the music. |
Monk never played anything the same way twice, this is definitely his best "Bemsha Swing"; I don't have that. I think after "Round Midnight", "In Walked Bud" was my favorite Monk tune; I heard they both liked to dance; can't you just picture them two out on the town for a good time, and they run into each other doing those weird steps they did. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuHjgKQDofs Enjoy the music. |
You missed your chance Rok, I got a yen for some zen, and I know where to find it; in that Khmer jazz in upper Cambodia; them cats get down; listen to these beats; can you dig it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBVNgEPRNBY I just missed that trip; no joke, I never registered and MP's came to my house, but I wasn't home, and it was right after I got my discharge. Of course when they found out they didn't come back. If I had known they could jam like this, I would have gone just to catch a few sets. Enjoy the music. |
Rok, here's a funny story that wasn't at all funny at the time. I wanted to hear some Tibetan music, and there was a festival going on at the art museum in Forest Park that night. I couldn't get the wife to go, so I had to go by myself; it was halfway across the city of St. Louis. I was just cruising along with some good music in the tape deck, when I noticed that I had been behind the same car for quite awhile. He turned left at the next street, I turned left at the next street. The first thought that came to my mind was "I sure hope he's not one of those paranoid dope dealers". We both went about 5 miles down this street with me behind him, he turned right, and I breathed a sigh of relief, because I kept straight. The next corner I made a right, and a quick left, only to wind up behind the same car, but now we are going into this huge black dark park, and me and him are the only two souls in the park; that's when giant beads of sweat began to form on my forehead. These guys shoot first, talk and think later; every time I made a turn in this inky dark park to avoid being behind this guy, he would accidentally make the wrong turn apparently trying to avoid me, and I would still wind up behind him. By now, I'm scared stiff, and hoping he doesn't stop, jump out and start spraying me, and I don't mean with insect repellent. Fortunately, he was as scared as I was, and he floored his car to get out of the park on the next straightaway. It was all real funny after that, but it certainly wasn't a few minutes before. (that was life in the city a long time ago) |
I see Acman heard the call, and has risen to the occasion; I'm listen to "Serpine Fire", it has an ECM flavor. (do not compare this to "Jazz Jazz") I'm listening to this music for what it's worth on it's ground. Since the artists in new jazz are not as well known as those in "old jazz" lets get acquainted; Jack DeJohnette (born August 9, 1942)[1] is an American jazz drummer, pianist, and composer; jazz fusion, and new-age are the additional genres he favors. If you listen carefully you will hear "Miles" in this "Serpentine Fire"; that's because he played with Miles for awhile, which means they liked one another's music. My criticism is that it does not have a clear cut beginning, middle and end. "Made in Chicago", got a rating of 4 1/2 stars out of 5, which is very high. As I stated previously, Frogman is far more qualified to review "New Jazz" than I am. (where is Frogman) For some reason, music of this nature sounded better in the 80's, when I listened to similar music and artists on this very same label. Enjoy the music. |
Salt water and fresh water are quite different, and few creatures can survive in both; my mind can be either be "Salt water" or "Fresh water", but not both at the same time; "new jazz" is fresh water, and "Old Jazz" or Jazz Jazz, is Salt water. "I think", that abstract jazz, would be a better term for "new jazz"; that's judging from the two that Acman posted. "Old and New", are far to ambiguous, but here again, we have to call it something. As long as we know what we're talking about, no one will get fined for wrongful terminology. |
Reach? don't you have the low roll around desk chairs; but even with them, that bottom row is too much. Since I'm into records; if it looks too good to be true, it is too good to be true; a brand new looking record that's 50 years old. Not only that, but we're talking about Sonny Rollins, Jay Jay Johnson, Horace Silver, Thelonious Monk, Paul Chambers and Art Blakey; ain't no way something can be wrong with that record, the record cover even looks new. I'm holding this new looking record in my hand, and I'm not going to even spin it to find out what's wrong with it. I know me, and the first tip off is this record doesn't even look like it's been played (that much for sure). Rather than get disappointed for the umpteenth time, I'll take my word for the fact that something is wrong with this record. Enjoy the music. |
Man can not live by "Salt water fish" alone, he must have fresh water fish once in awhile. This is too beautiful for words https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJmOsuEcUl0&list=PLg1pWdnpoa07SV5kExySaxtLlxHGC8N6V Enjoy the music. |
Has Kathleen Battle ever sung "Senor Blues", or any other kind of blues? Here is an album I'm sure should be in your collection; it has "Senor Blues" and "Ysabels Table Dance" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcD5EJoeNO0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCq96ioO-UY Enjoy the music. |
Fusion came on line in the 70's; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2hK6_o5Pdw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJGESmyIVo0 |
I define "Dixieland" as something distinctly different from Jazz, they didn't even spell it right; but each to his own. My definition of "Jazz" is that music that came after the "Bird"; he was the most influential man in the history of jazz. The current music people call jazz is lost, it's like a river looking for an ocean, meandering all over the place. Thanks to "you tube" I'm discovering more "real" jazz day by day; they created so much of it there was no way to consume it all in such a short time, I'm not going back in time, I'm just listening to the music I didn't get a chance to hear when it was created. The "aficionados" we have right now, have helped me to discover all the music I didn't hear when it was created during "The Golden Age of Jazz" and I appreciate that; if we kept the aficionados we now have on this thread, but never gained any more, I would be quite satisfied, and that includes disagreements and all. Enjoy the music. |
Frogman! How was the weather in the Caribbean? Or was it The Med this time? (that's short for Mediterranean) Well it's good to see that you're back. Since I'm not a historian, but an "aficionado" with feeling, I'm only curious about what I feel in regard to the music, and the only thing I feel when I hear 'Dixieland' is turn it down, or turn it off. Sometime I think of this song; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUjLE_N1Cuc Each to his or her own. |
Has anyone noticed how "fundamentally" different we are from the rest of the Agoners? That's a reality we have to face. The people who we love and miss, as opposed to the people "they" love and miss, is the best example I can think of. When they are heartbroken, I don't know the guy from Adam's house cat. Now I'm heart broken over Al Jarreau. I'm sure they would grieve with me if they knew who Al Jarreau was, but since nobody has mentioned it, I don't think they do, and he's not some unknown, but that's just how different they are. I know my timing is bad, but it's just another one of my faults. Al Jarreau seemed like a warm hearted friend who I knew personally. This will always be my favorite; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3qYZv9J9dM We miss you Al. |
I just discovered a record that was recorded in 60, but the entire album has this early 50's sound; King Pleasure can take you back to the good times of "Be-Bop", and the saxes are smoking, the sound is reminiscent of James Moody and the "Bird". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22vW4hza1vE&list=PLFqxqeCgaWFqBGkJSRsPysWyfwQJLf98f Enjoy the music. |
Hail, hail, the gangs all here; they even brought some good music, current too. Ghosthouse, your music kind of reminds me of one of my favorites; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tR4tHq1F_EY I am enjoying the music. |
That looked good but this was what I heard at the same time when it came out; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7xrQY_FLM4 |
I will never forget when the love of my life married another man; that's when I spoke to the river (the mighty Mississippi) I spoke to the river And the river spoke back to me It said man you look so lonely You look full of misery And if you can't find your baby Come and make your home with me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypSlDCbxETg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOHAXdD_mx0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axNkMWRcrPM Take your choice of one of these, or pick another one. Enjoy my music. |
Ghosthouse, I've got Vince and Bola Sete on record, but I can't find the record, and I'm not certain, but you can not go wrong with those two if you see them together. Although Herb Alpert sounded much different, it was the same tune. Here's another one by Vince; "Cast Your Fate to The Wind". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTA3aOfrDHA |
Since it's a true story and you asked, I'll tell you. It's easy to fall in love but almost impossible to fall out of love. I was 18 when we met, and stayed together for a couple of years; then we broke up over something silly. (she was the same age) She got married, and that's when I spoke to the river, but it was too crowded at the time, and the river told me to come back when there was more room. I saw her out one night, and we went back together, while she was still married. That was pure hell, but I couldn't help myself; it was time for "Since I Fell For You"; I was living that song. This went on for two years, and I discovered that me and her husband were not enough, there was somebody else; that was the only thing that got me out of that mess. Her husband found out about me, and didn't want anything else to do with her. The funny thing is, after he dumped her, she came back to me, but I didn't want anything else to do with her. You can fall out of love but it ain't easy. (real life is convoluted) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOpEg4VhyEw |
Alex, those painful memories also brought back memories of some of the best times. Girls are never so beautiful as in those early and mid twenties, plus they are very active. The comments under both Lenny Welch songs say it all; read them, we all seemed to share the same emotions for an eternity; but stop and think about how incredible that woman who caused those emotions must have been. That same scenario was repeated many different ways throughout my life, and my only regret is that I'm too old for it to be repeated again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JSi3i_1lZQ Enjoy the music. |
I'm still down loading my vinyl to the PC play list, and making observations at the same time; the sonics on this $36 dollar 180 gram record are not as good as the original record. Think about it; it's easier for a lathe to cut through something soft, than something hard and heavy. The very best sonics I've gotten from any LP, is one that cost 50 cents at a Best Buy sale; it was flimsy. The music wasn't worth squat, but what was there, was as clear as mountain air. Rok, I'm sorry you sold your records, because current economics for "analog" as they call it (used to be just "records") are completely out of my league, plus we discovered those new CD's were better than my old LP's on that 100 best collection. Enjoy the music. |
Even one of the worlds greatest players knows all about loving and losing; http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1325443/Ava-Gardner-lover-Frank-Sinatra-tame.html |
I find it amazing how the lyrics to so many songs bring the reality of our existence into sharp focus, like a photographs taken at different times in our life. It's also interesting how so many others share the same emotions that the song brings into focus. Rich or poor, we all ride life's roller coaster with it's steep drop offs and sharp twists and turns; sometimes we don't think we will ever recover, but we do; only to get right back on for the thrill of the ride. In my mind, jazz lyrics are the most universal, followed by the Blues; however, with the Blues, it's the intensity of emotion projected by the artist, rather than the lyrics themselves. With Jazz, the music can express the words as well as the lyrics; take Lee Morgan, "Since I Fell For You"; I can hear Lenny Welch's lyrics through Lee Morgans horn; that's incredible, and beautiful at the same time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EjBJvYIj5Q Enjoy the music. |
Race and jazz: Art Pepper overheard some jive turkeys putting him down because he was white, and since he had heard that the word on the street was the ultimate word, he assumed this was it. While this is true, it's the word on the streets of New York, Chicago, and all major cities where jazz is heard. When he played with "The Rhythm Section" that should have settled his allegations of reverse racism, as well as shut down any African American claims that he was a lesser jazz artist than many other African American jazz artist. As far as I'm concerned it did. (plus I like his jazz) Chet Baker: There is a lot of controversy that swirls around Chet Baker, and my personal opinion wont help it any. Maybe this will settle it. https://artmodel.wordpress.com/2009/09/13/jazz-art-context-and-iconography/ Enjoy the music. |
Once again Frogman, you have derailed the current mood of this thread, and your penchant for having the last word has exacerbated the situation. This all began when some one who has never posted on this thread before came to us in a disrespectful manner that you can read on page 422. On your last words, you stated that you had no idea that I considered him a saxophone great (I never said that) I was showing respect for someone whose music I had enjoyed, who was no longer with us as a result of COVID 19 You consistently defend every "Johnny come lately" no matter how disrespectful he comes to this thread. Maybe you can e-mail him and the both of you can "keep the jazz flame alive" I am quite capable of expressing anything I have to say explicitly, no help needed. I shared with my fellow "aficionados" (of which you are not one of since you don't like the word) my relationship and happy memories of the late Manu Dibango's music. In regard to your (snarky) statement, "I had no idea that you thought he was a saxophone great". If after all these years of posting on this thread you have no idea of the musicians I consider great----------- I wont even go there. Happy Lock-down. |
Jafant, I pretty much agree with the article and Frogman, but I think you are asking the question on an intensely personal level, and I say "It's a trumpet man, quit pussyfooting around and blow the thing". If I could ask Chet a Question, it would be "Why do you keep jiving around with people everybody else knows not to mess with? They will hurt you." Enjoy the music. |
Frogman, and Rok, when I was in LA, I heard music at the clubs that was comparable to the best of Blue Note, by musicians unknown to me. I attributed this to the fact that musicians do not have to leave LA in order to make a living. Although I was in LA, the music was not West Coast Jazz. When I was in Jamaica, while the music at the hotel was reggae, the people (most Jamaicans) preferred jazz. In both cases, assumptions would be wrong. I noticed Rok constantly picks music from what we call "The Golden Age of Jazz". Music is not made in a vacuum, musicians have to draw inspiration from somewhere. That "Golden Age" also occurred at the same time as the best times in many cities. Chicago was three vibrant cities at once in the 50's and 60's; rich north side, culture on the lake, and a vibrant south side that no longer exists, Detroit was like the "Emerald City of Oz". St. Louis consisted of Downtown, E. St. Louis, and North St. Louis; three diverse areas that featured live jazz; "bleak" is the most dominant feature of those areas now. There was a certain "vibe" and excitement in each city that generated something for musicians to draw from. Much of the latest music is "disonant"; not in the strict definition of the word, but it lacks a coherent theme that you can feel and identify with; the musician can't find something outside of himself to draw inspiration from; therefore his music is without life. Enjoy the music. |
When you get in the mood for "Hank Crawford", no other music will do. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmB9-7mW6ec |
I'm all for an open discussion in regard to the music. I suggest we set time spans, and use music to specify exactly what we are referring to, for example; 50's and 60's for old music, and you and Acman can specify current music. But before we start, not all current music will apply to my allegations of not having a theme, just most. Enjoy the music. |
