Jazz for aficionados
Inna, if this current music that sounds like "Mahavishnu" is unknown to you, how do you expect anyone else to know about it? My musical taste is wandering from place to place; tonight it's Santana. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2Iy2Nk1s4c I think the conversation is progressing very well without me. Enjoy the music. |
Inna, I liked everything about that clip, including the irresistible lady. I think I'm going to expand my collection in that direction. Try this for size https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGW4nrsZJ3o Enjoy the music. |
Ghosthouse, that is most certainly the best version of "Cantaloupe Island" I've ever heard; nothing but stars, all of them. I'm really looking forward to receiving that DVD, and seeing all of those musicians who have delighted me over the years on records. . I'm glad you're enjoying the thread, because the thread is most certainly enjoying your contributions. Enjoy the music. |
Sheila Jordan is a fantastic jazz vocalist that I don't recall anyone mentioning. She's known for turning "Birds" tunes into vocals. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZHteISQ-bw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SJV_oGVvHQ This is when she was a young fox, but thank God Sheila is still with us and performing at age 87. Enjoy the music. |
Inna, you seem to be an expert in Arab Flamenco, and all the other types of Flamenco as well, could you submit some of those; especially the one's with pretty pictures. BTW, I was reading and listening to music, and I thought "The rig is sounding very good today" when I thought I was listening to CD, but it was the 2 track playing. That lets you know how much better it is than any other source. The 4 channel Otari is not 2 track and it's also overkill, extremely complex. Costs 2K to turn it into 2 track, plus that clutch makes it out of bounds for the time being. Wish you luck with your project. Enjoy the music. |
Inna, go for the best and leave the rest; https://www.google.com/search?q=studer+levinson&biw=1024&bih=638&tbm=isch&imgil=ISfS... |
Herbie Hancock's solo on "Cantaloupe Island" is among the best piano solos I've ever heard. The other one is Horace Silver's solo on "Senor Blues" at Newport. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8jFGFwOm7k These solos are a one time thing; they never even attempt to duplicate them. "Hard Bop" jazz musicians only have a "general" idea of what they are going to play when they perform live; Monk never played "Round Midnight" the same way twice, when that was his own composition. Someone on sax asked Monk how to play something on a set, and Monk replied, "You a jazz musician aint cha"? Meaning if you're a jazz musician, you just put the horn to your mouth and blow, the right thing is going to automatically come out. That's the difference between a "Hard Bop" jazz musician, and say a classical musician; an improvising jazz musician has to have incredible talent and feel; they are very special and unique. When "jazz" musicians get on the stage, they rely on one another; Miles said what he played depended on what was played before him. This is a beautiful live performance; all these guys are stars, but the guy on piano steals the show. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynZDm50EgBY Enjoy the music. |
Correction to my last post: a classical musician has to have incredible talent and feel as well; except there is no music written down, and no repetition with an improvising jazz musician, and that's the primary distinction. Any time a man can get on a stage and wow an audience of critical "hard bop" fans, playing extemporaneously, he has a talent beyond my comprehension. No put down of classical musicians meant. Enjoy the music. |
I have both of them Inna. Here's something I highly recommend; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tx-0AS9kcgs |
Zappa was a genius; and, a very opinionated one. He was also a very serious composer and student of the music of Edgar Varese and Stravinsky. He was a very deep musician whose music has a depth, complexity and level of craft that is leagues beyond Santana's. Santana's strength is that great and instantly recognizable tone with a really strong sense of sincerity and very deep "from the heart" quality in his playing. Most guitar players would say that Zappa was an infinitely better guitar player; just as most composers would say that Zappa was infinitely more accomplished. Which one touches any given listener's heart more is, as always, subjective and dependent on what that listener is looking for in music. "He was a very deep musician whose music has a depth, complexity and level of craft that is leagues beyond Santana's." Although I was deeply offended by that statement, I didn't have time to respond, but now I've got plenty time. It really takes some gall to make a statement like that; who told him he was qualified to make such a definitive statement? I told him many times that music was "subjective" but I see it still hasn't stuck. "Santana" has been one of my favorite artists since the late 60's, and still is. I don't know how many vinyl copies of "Abraxas" I've replaced, and after all this time, it's still a hot item; I use it for a test record, and no one ever complains. It seems that people who like many different genres of music have that one in their collection; I wonder if Frogman has it in his collection? Here is the first cut on "Abraxas", you decide; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xskk5q1DL6A Enjoy the music. |
Tony Scott, music for Zen meditation, I was struck by the first few notes; it's the kind of music you listen to in solitude with no distractions, I'll have to get it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ylh0C5Wsog Enjoy the music |
Those must have been the one's with the "didgeridoos"; I like that instrument best with music other than native; but I have some didgeridoo music from as far back as when they could first record anything, it has noisy insects in the background, as you would have in the field. This is all I could find by Steve Roach. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JiwJXEp2G0 I like it. That didgeridoo music I have is from over 100 years ago, and it's about as authentic as you can get. That's when I was into primitive cultures, and reading books over 100 years old. According to those books, the "Aborigines" could communicate telepathically; that certainly beats telephone. The music we've been discussing is the kind that you have to be in a certain groove to appreciate. Enjoy the music. |
Frogman, If that's the case, why don't you compare Zappa to Ray Charles, and Milt Jackson on "Blue Funk"; they ain't got no degrees in music. My best friend's brother has a degree from Juilliard, and he teaches school; I ain't never heard him play squat, since he played enough to get into school. This is about how much music you can play, not how much music you know. To me, Zappa is just a name: "What do he play"? Enjoy the music. |
Mick Goodrick; I'm sure I have some of his records, I'll have to dig them out. Jerry Bergonzi is new to me; this is a nice sounding band, I like it, Mick is in a mellow groove, him and Jerry are making things happen; "Blow Jerry Blow!" Bob Mintzer sounds new and fresh, this jam has a hip Latin beat; but with a name like "El Caborojeno", what else could I expect. Enjoy the music. |
Frogman, the title of this thread is "Jazz For Aficionados"; where is it written that I should have "Zappa" in my collection, or heard him? I've seen the name 101 times on the music forum, but I've also seen a lot of other names on the forum that I don't have, or have not heard. When I hear them, I know why I haven't heard them, and once was enough, I don't want to hear them again. The fact that I only know the name means I'm not interested in the music if I haven't heard it. I don't read any thing in my statement that was a comment on music I haven't heard. At this minute I'm listening to "Trance Fusion"; it's for sure I wont run out and buy it. The complexity of a man's music don't do squat for me; I'm neither a musician, nor a music teacher. "Enough is enough", I can not listen another minute longer; that's enough of Zappa for the day. Enjoy the music. |
He frequently lampooned musical fads like psychedelia, rock opera and disco. Television also exerted a strong influence, as demonstrated by quotations from show themes and advertising jingles found in his later works. "Trance Fusion" sounded like a combination of psychedelia, rock opera and disco, to me; now "Wikipedia" said he "lampooned" those different genres, I don't get it. but I'm sure you can explain it to me Frogman. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CtbhMMTqjc That music sounded like it was made for "Ganja smokers". Enjoy the music without the Ganja, if you can. |
Inna, on the "real side", about reels, unless you can buy an almost new one, or have an unlimited budget, this might be a good way to go, at least it's worked for me for a number of years. I have a service manual for my Technics RS 1500 US 2 track, and I've been able to repair it without sending it off; that's because it's easy to work on. My new problem is tape tension, and the manual tells what to adjust to cure it. There is no way I would buy a used deck without repair being in the same town I lived in. Things have gotten so bad in regard to repair that you can't find anybody to fix any thing like tape decks in a city as big as St. Louis, and that includes the surrounding "Burbs". When I can no longer repair this one, that's the end of the road. Good luck. |
Inna my TT is in moth balls, that's because I archived all LP's; and don't let no body kid you, that's just as good as playing the LP when you want to hear it, but first make sure all that PC stuff is kosure so that you can hear every nuance of a cartridge upgrade. It's better to go that way than straight to tape. Naturally whatever you do will sound better on playback. Just the thought of hauling this thing to be shipped makes my back ache. Good luck. |
Inna, that's the way it goes into the computer interface, and then into the computer. We went round and round, right here on the PC forum about which "interface" and they were discussing which "audiophile" card to use on Stereophile. In order to cut corners I modified an interface so heavily, I had to build a different case. But that's the way to go, straight from the Phono output. It's for sure you got the right idea. Although the computer stuff didn't cost much (as audiophile equipment goes) there was a lot of need to know for that project, and I don't know where you can find it all. The final outcome is just as good as the way you're talking, and it's so much more convenient, because you have a library for your reel. Have fun. |
Inna, I sometimes forget that I have a "Geek" who takes care of the computer stuff, because I don't know "squat" about computers. Since he told me there is no left and right channel inside a computer, I quit asking questions. Now when he sees I'm about to ask a question, he gets that look on his face that says "You wouldn't even understand after I told you". Flamenco Persian is nice. Enjoy the music. |
"Nothing Personal" Frogman, I've said many times how fortunate we are to have your input on this thread, just because you and I don't always see eye to eye, doesn't mean I don't appreciate the insight into music that you give us. While I don't speak, or always understand the learned language of a musician, I like having it around. Enjoy the music. |
Ghosthouse, on this thread, there is no such thing as bad taste, there is no such thing as "objective" music; if you don't like, you don't like it, end of story. I know exactly what you mean when you say "straight up jazz", I don't like it either when it's new guys blowing old jazz; that's because it's so "stereotypical", meaning these new guys are copying old guys licks, and I heard the licks when they were new; jazz licks are no good the second time around, their not like love. There's nothing "objective" about jazz, this is not mathematics, 2+2=4, that's objective; beauty is in the eye of the beholder in jazz. I don't care who it is, when the guy blows "crap" according to my ears, I say so; while others will argue that XY musician is incapable of blowing crap, I beg to differ. Ghosthouse, be true to thine own ears. Enjoy the music. |
Inna, you'll benefit from what I'm going to tell you whether you get a reel or not, but especially if you get a reel. My set up goes out of the phono, into a highly modified interface. They didn't have "audiophile" interfaces then, but they do now. Out of the interface, into a Blaster Audigy 2Z 5 card on the computer, that's what you need to archive vinyl. You can probably get a better card for your computer now. It's a good idea to go on the PC forum for help; they understand that we're audiophiles, and don't know squat about computers, those guys are very helpful. With your computer you can have a vinyl library, that will be identical in regard to quality as the way you were talking about doing it. That's the way people did it before computers; now, even the most finicky audiophiles are doing it this way because whether you get a reel or not, you still want a vinyl library in your computer. Those PC guys are experts, and they will help you. Have fun. |
Inna, my arrogant friend, in regard to computers, you are living in the stone age; when you get to "Bedrock" tell Wilma and Fred hello for me. Your "tunnel vision" prevents you from seeing what's around you, it would be safer if you let someone else drive if that's necessary. The less people know, the less they consider worthy of their attention, that's easily understandable. On this thread, we discuss whatever we deem worthy of discussion. The fact that you only deemed one tiny genre of music worthy of your attention is indicative of tunnel vision. Have a safe journey and, and may the force be with you. |
Frogman, that "stereotypical" was in reference to the "sax riffs" in so much of current jazz that is most certainly unoriginal, and I've heard it so many times before. Any time you say "Jazz", I can be certain of those same riffs; that's what I'm talking about. I always over generalize to make my point. |
On "Bird Gets the Worm" nobody can play that fast, and sound good at the same time. That was Miles Davis (trumpet), Duke Jordan (piano), Tommy Potter (bass) and Max Roach (drums), all of whom have a solo on this track. Wes Montgomery appeals to a wide variety of people; I believe it's because he has such a warm and "mellow tone"; I compare it to gazing at the blaze in a fireplace while at the same time you can see the snow falling through the window. Enjoy the music. |
Ghosthouse there are so many facets in jazz that we've been through that I don't know if we touched on them since you were included. Have we touched on "Don Cherry"? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAwRxXcxSgs |
Ghosthouse, I find jazz is about moods; Hank Crawford's soulful sax is sounding good today. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNLIl2yEfro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2doxAtCfRnE Enjoy the music. |
Rok, I started out with Hank in 63, but I see by his discography that I fell way behind. I'm going to correct that. From what I've heard from other musicians, he was a most likeable person. Here are the goods on him https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hank_Crawford Enjoy the music. |
Frogman, I don't consider Hank "Pop or smooth jazz" soulful jazz maybe, but definitely not pop or smooth jazz. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAxFv8UojKM What would you call this? |
Stratehed, I really wish I could have been on any one of those sets. A local musician by the name of Eddie Fisher could really jam, I went to see him at a place called Mothers every night he performed. Realizing he would have to go on the road and leave his superfox wife, in order to make a living as a jazz musician, he opted to stay in St. Louis, where a musician has to play "hill billy" or whatever the crowd wants, that's what he did. So I can really understand a jazz musician playing dis dat and the other thing. Are you with us on this Hank Crawford journey? |
Alex, it's interesting how the cover of certain albums flash in my mind, when I see the title of the album. "Bean Bags" is such an album; I remember where I was when I bought it, and everything that was going on in my life at that time. When an album affects me like that, I know it has some of the most outstanding music in my collection. Although it's been posted a number of times, it can stand one more. I even knew a Sandra at that time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMgwWAaxQQ4 Enjoy the music |
