Jazz for aficionados

Here's a beautiful tune with Quincy Jones and "Toots" where all of Toots talents are displayed.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qvc077Z4YyU


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Alex, thanks for a wonderful contribution that includes the discography of Bobby Hutcherson. I didn't realize I had so many albums by him as sideman, where his contributions made that album so memorable.


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Although I've had Quincy Jones "Walking in Space" since forever, I didn't realize "Toots" was on this album until now; that's because he plays guitar on the title cut, Walking in Space, and I associate Toots with the harmonica. This is a nice long beautiful cut, and he plays both harmonica and guitar on this one cut.


  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXQ4r4y3Wdc


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Rok, you are missed, and as co-founder of this thread your contributions of the best you have by Toots Thielemans would be most appreciated.

Post, if for no other reason than to let us know you are alive and well.


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Ghosthouse, it's good to hear from you. I'm listening to "Travelers" right now; so far so good. I've never heard of any of the artists, but that doesn't mean anything. Yes the sound quality is very good; that's one of the things I like about current CD's. This music is quite listenable; that's something I can't say about a lot of current music.

Now I'm listening to the guitar on "Peaceful Warrior"; he's got his act together, and I like the way the whole group is integrated to produce pleasant sounds.   On "Peaceful Warrior" they decided to give the drummer some, near the end.

I can see how this music would draw you in after more than one listen. They kind of remind me of "Shadowfax" the group. Have you ever heard "Shadowfax"?

Like you said, "Not a heavy handed phrase in any of it"; my interpretation of that same phrase is "Needs a little more drama", but quite listenable.

Don't stay gone so long and;


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Rok, I had some kind of weird problems that my "Geek" straightened out. He said he would help, but he wont be home until 4:30 or five this afternoon.

Rok, and alex; this will clear your problem


clearing browser cookies, go to "GOOGLE' and type in" clearing browser cookies", and they will give you instructions on how to clear your problems.


Good luck

I know I read this somewhere before, but I can't find anything to authenticate it, so you will just have to take my word for it.

When Rudy Van Gelder recorded, a red light came on to signal; time to wrap it up. On Joe Hendersons solo on "Idle Moments", he was sounding so good, that Rudy just let him blow past the allotted time, and didn't turn on the red light.


      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMiLAxMnoqE



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Glad you're back in business Rok. Now we know to stay away from any link with an M in front of it.

Have you heard Ghosthouse's link yet?

I have been accused, not by Ghosthouse, but others of having a problem with new music. Apparently I'll have to plead guilty.

His music had top flight musicians, and the best sound quality, but it lacked drama from my point of view. I think if those same musicians had played a better composition I would like it. The reason I'm mentioning this, is because I seem to have some kind of problem with almost all new music, and I regret that; as a matter of fact, I'm  hoping someone else gives this music a big thumbs up.



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I listened to Alan Pasqua's "The Antisocial Club" again, and I heard MIles in the early 70's, plus the best of fusion during that same time period, but it was all original.

I don't know much about different kinds of "keyboards"; could you identify what he was playing on that cut. That instrumentation reminded me of a club I went to in the 70's.

What a difference a different rig makes.


I enjoyed that music.

If you guys are having trouble understanding that stuff, it's not because you're dumb. My "Geek" cleared my problem, and I don't even know what he's talking about when he's talking about computers; it's like he's speaking a different language.

I have never had more problems understanding anything than I do this computer stuff, and they give you 5 choices of ways to clear "browser cookies".  I hope you get it cleared up soon.  

Ghosthouse, any time an individual is sincere in his efforts to communicate, I will go the limit.

I haven't been in my best listening mode lately, and I listened on the headphones. After I pipe it into the big rig and listen, I'll get back to you, and answer all your questions.


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Ghosthouse, I use the word "drama" to express excitement; something is happening that makes you want to move, you can feel the music. Sonny Clark seems to always have this element in his music, it is in constant motion, and often causes you to visualize something.


  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brmFaZfRZQE


In this tune, titled "Search For The New Land" I can visualize someone using their hand for a visor, on a ship, searching for the new land. Modern dancers, choreographers, could really do a thing to this number.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBLYYbDuLIo



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Ghosthouse, I must be using the wrong word. The purpose of language is to communicate; if a word means one thing to you and another to me in regard to music, we need to find another word.

The piece that didn't hook you is one of my absolute favorites, and has been for a long time; I even have 6 different vocal versions of it that I play a lot. Here is one of them by Carmen.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaZlb2wxJJg




That is a perfect illustration of the "subjectivity" of music. Yes I have used it before; in this instance I was trying to illustrate the visual nature of that piece.

Eventually we'll find the right words.




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I think we should continue to honor Bobby Hutcherson, and Toots Thieleman by playing there music. That could prove to be beneficial to our collections, plus quite enjoyable.

One of the CD's I have is "Skyline": Bobby Hutcherson (vibraphone, marimba); Kenny Garrett (alto saxophone); Geri Allen (piano); Christian McBride (bass); and Al Foster (drums).

Two of my favorite cuts on this CD are "Delilah" and "Chans Song".
Here are the links to those cuts.


      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fR81Xs4ZlUs



      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HiMu9jXakQ


If I've presented these before, they are twice as nice the second time around.


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Frogman, a comparison to those two is even farther apart than apples and oranges. I was making an attempt to illustrate the word "drama" as I used it to describe music. That was a flop; evidently I need another word that I have yet to find.

I instituted links in order for the music to describe itself. Since you are the "words smith" I'll leave it to you to describe the music in that fashion. (words)

We absolutely agree in regard to that Sonny Clark clip; all of those musicians were at the peak of their musical powers. My opinion of Trane is that he didn't realize he was so good "without" any extra special effort, that he could only go down hill when he tried too hard. I'll try to give you an example of what I'm talking about.

Serena Williams has the best form for the tennis serve in the game; male or female. That is something they learn as children when they first pick up a tennis ball. Her old man had enough money to hire a coach and teach her the form of Poncho Gonzalez for her serve. Poncho's serve was possibly the best ever in the game.

Most of the other players, male and female have different kinds of "Hitches" in their serve; while they get the ball in the box and make occasional aces, they don't have perfect form that results in swinging the racket the exact same way every time. My point is that her form is so perfect, that she can make more aces if she doesn't try as hard to make an ace.

Trane was at his best just before and after he left Miles. Whatever he was reaching for just before his death was too elusive for me, and a lot of his most devoted fans to hear; including McCoy Tyner and Elvin with an "E" Jones. (just kidding about the "E") When you focus on Trane with Miles, and right after he left Miles, you will detect how perfect his statements were; that only comes from an almost supernatural ability in jazz. Especially when you think of someone performing before a live audience, and not even have seconds to think about what he's going to play, and play it.



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Frogman, I remember the first time I heard "Speak Low" by Sonny Clark. I was on a date in a night club when I heard this music emanating from the jukebox. It had been one of my favorite tunes for some time, but I never heard it played so well. At that time I couldn't identify the musicians, but I knew this was the best tenor sax solo I had ever heard to play that tune.

Of course we now know it was John Coltrane. Yes, he advanced from the time that came out till the clip you posted, but he could not have played that solo on "Speak Low" any better.

After I learned the personnel on that record, I realized why it was the best I had ever heard; it features Donald Byrd, Curtis Fuller, John Coltrane, Paul Chambers, and Art Taylor. It was Released Mid March 1958, Recorded September 1, 1957 Van Gelder Studio, Hackensack, plus that LP also had Rudy's stamp of excellence on it.

You gave a perfect description of Bobby Hutcherson's vibes.


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"To thine own ears be true", quote the great philosopher Orpheus. You don't have to be a philosopher or musician to know what you like and don't like. If JC decided to communicate with the angels when he was nearing his last breath, that was his decision, not my ears; but how could I be expected to understand music meant for the angels.

He made so much fantastic music throughout his productive life, that I am still enjoying frequently, I can overlook that. Miles also communicated with the angels through his music near the end.

Nevertheless, we shall trod on, enjoying the incredible music they made before they decided to communicate with the angels through their music.


Ghosthouse, I very much appreciate your Toots contributions. I'll continue to see what I can find by him and Bobby Hutcherson. Both men made such incredible contributions as sidemen that there is no need to overlook that.


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I wondered into this, and couldn't quit looking and listening.


          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNbATOp4fbk


That Jackie Mac is just too much, and that chick is tearing up some drums; I just can't quit looking and listening. It's almost impossible for me to tell how this music that sounds similar to so much music I've heard is different; that's the nature of great artists, it's hidden in the recipe.


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Ghosthouse, I've been listening to jazz for my entire life, and I'm an old man; you shouldn't expect something "new" that grabs you, will grab me.

I've heard the best jazz musicians from the 50's up until it changed and became more abstract in recent years. The musicians in my collection are so very incredible, and I even heard one of my favorite musicians close up and personal.

Grant Green, before he went to Blue Note and became professional, would come into his favorite club, turn off the jukebox, and start playing for himself; not for any audience.

Of course nobody said anything, we all just listened; he knew everybody and we all knew Grant, including the nightclub owner. That was an experience I'll never forget; to be only maybe six feet away from that guitar and hear those fantastic sounds resonate in your ear was incredible.

He would leave just like he came, quietly; he didn't talk too much.

Of course this would occur on a slow night. He played officially at this same club on weekends.


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"I remember a critic saying Coltrane sounded like a big man in a small box, when he played with Miles."

Acman, that's quite a quote, and it fits so well; Coltrane really expanded after he left Miles.

The discussion Frogman and me are having pertains to about 2 minutes of Trane's musical life, and it's just something "Aficionados" do to past the time.


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Charlie Haden and Jim Hall are two of the highest rated jazz musicians I can think of. I just read where they got 5 stars on performance, and 5 stars on sonics; that's a rarity.

I've just cued this album in and I'm really enjoying it. Whether or not you give it a five star rating on both sonics and performance is your call.


        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFzhNdQU8qU


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BTW Ghosthouse, Frogman, and Rok have also inquired why I thought something was just ok that they considered special; maybe I'm too honest.   But when they asked that question, the jazz was very good, it just sounded "stereotypical" to me, that's because a new jazz musician will imitate someone special before he finds his own voice, and I've heard what they displayed  by another musician.

The only musician who never imitated anyone was Miles, he came on with a totally new thing.

Frogman, I'm curious to know what you think of that clip with Jackie McClean.  In a way it's "stereotypical"  but at the same time it has something special that I can't identify, but since you're a sax man, I'm sure you can identify it.


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Thanks for your kind words Ghosthouse.

Ghosthouse, there's no doubt about the sonics. This music is best listened to in a dark room with a blank mind from beginning to end. Although I'm listening to it, I haven't gotten into it yet.

Just like a tuner, your mind has to be on the right frequency in order to receive the music. That applause is disturbing, I don't know why they left it in. Every time I get in a good listening mode, that applause breaks it up.

Since I can't handle that applause, I have to let this one go. I could get the album and record it without the applause, that would work for me.


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" It certainly applies to the music at the link here."

You certainly got that right; good sonics and perfect vinyl always helps the listening experience. You're getting warm, but this is even better, and it includes some of the same people.

Egberto Gismonti - Sol do Meio Dia; this album touches on African, European, plus indigenous Brazilian music. It even includes African rhythms that can no longer be found in Africa.


            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUy7UpLTKEQ


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Ghosthouse, I asked a professional jazz musician I knew, who his favorite artist was, and he told me "Baden Powell" was the one he was listening to at that time.

"Knew" meaning he is no longer with us; "No", I'm not going to name him. It has been alluded that I like to throw around the names of professional jazz musicians who I talked to in a friendly manner, and I suppose that's true, but this time I'm not going to mention the name.

At that time, I didn't even know who "Baden Powell" was, I had never even heard the name; it's for sure he wasn't a "Blue Note" musician.

Now, I have this 2 CD set titled "Three Originals, Baden Powell", and you get your money's worth, and then some; it comes with a 12 page booklet.

I mention this because his music is in the same vein that you posted.

This link fills you in on Mr. Powell;

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baden_Powell_de_Aquino


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Frogman, as I stated, our discussion about Trane relates to 2 minutes of his total musical life, and was just conversation to pass the time.

I use the word "Stereotypical" to mean that I've heard it a lot before; "Bird" and Coltrane for sure; that aspect of Jackie is what I was referring to.

Since I never could dance, I overlook that; as a matter of fact, I prefer music that you can not dance to.


 
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB6GkA54n_Q


Jackie Mac has many faces; that is the one I liked best.



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Acman, let's hope the curtain comes down before senility, and as that great philosopher Forest Gump once said, "That's all I'm gonna say about that".

Frogman,  our conversation, meaning just between the two of us, is the kind of conversation "aficionado's" have that proves they are who they claim to be, but is not really important in relation to John Coltrane's merits as an artist.

When he went out into the "wild blue" before a live audience, ( he played "MY Favorite Things" for at least half an hour). After 20 minutes the whole audience was beginning to get a "?" mark look on their faces. Elvin Jones looked at McCoy Tyner, who signaled "just follow me". I don't mean he gave a hand signal, but a look of confidence, like he knew what he was going to do. Otherwise these professional musicians would have looked silly.

As it was, "Trane" was out in the "wild blue", and they were playing something different, but coherent. At our table, my date looked at me, and I looked at the professional musician, who was a drummer.

She asked, "Is Trane on something". "No, he's perfectly clean" was his reply. He gave a professional musician explanation for what was going on that nobody understood. Fortunately, Trane came out of the clouds and all was back normal like it never happened; he was jamming with McCoy Tyner and Elvin Jones just like you see on the TV clips.


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I not only heard and saw those two minutes, but saw other people's reaction to those 2 minutes, and it was "?". Those two minutes were never explained, and I'm glad they were only 2 minutes. I can never relegate the same importance to those 2 minutes as you. BTW those same 2 minutes were repeated many times; whenever the urge hit.

While everybody reads whatever I post, at times they are primarily meant for one aficionado; some are trying to learn, while others already know. This is like having a discussion with those who are very advanced, and those who are just learning at the same time.

The artist I would pick in regard to seeing his advancement is "Charles Mingus"; he started out advanced. I remember buying an album simply because I liked the art work on the cover, and it turned out to be one of the best albums I ever purchased; it was "Mingus Ah Um"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mingus_Ah_Um


Not only was the art work unusual, but so was the title, and I wont even mention the artist. This was in 1960 and it was only released in 59; that means I was definitely up to date. Other aficionados didn't quite know what to make of Mingus at that time. (I laugh when I read how so many thought so much of Mingus at that time) Many said WTF at that time, believe it or not.

This thing called "you tube" is the most fantastic thing for me in my life time. I'm still learning about Mingus; what's so fantastic is that I'm learning what I thought I already knew. I just ran into something new for me, "Mingus at The Cafe Bohemia". By the time I quit learning what I thought I already knew, it'll be time for that final act, and the curtain will come down.


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Ghosthouse, I take listening to music very seriously; especially when someone has presented some music, it's almost like a gift.

First, I have to get in the right mode; that means shifting out of "Blue Note" jazz to an almost Latin guitar mode. This is a very unusual guitar that refuses to be "pigeonholed", and 3:43 minutes isn't long enough to get a grip on where he's coming from. I liked the heavy bass intro, but after that he took off in a different direction; it was kind of choppy.

I'll have to hear more of Carles Benavent's quartet to make a judgment.


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Ghosthouse, I listened to Carles extensively, and came to the conclusion that his music was too choppy, it rarely flowed.

Acman is always speaking of making an effort to listen to a new artists music; that's good, but not too much of an effort; especially when there's so much music that's available, made just for you.

If the answer to the bottom line question "Would you buy it" comes up "No", then that's it, game over.


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Although the musicians are top flight, I think it's Mal Waldron making the thing happen; like on a Mingus record, it's the spirit of Mingus that drives the music.

Ghosthouse, for music lovers like us, there's nothing better than "you tube".

I imagine you spent many years listening to equipment, and discerning the differences in wire; tube or solid state; getting our rigs together has been a long and arduous journey; now we can enjoy the music without thinking about the rig. How sweet it is!


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Acman, Right off the bat this music started talking to me, why? Let's break it down in an objective manner to answer the question.

This music was released on the Italian Soul Note label in 1987. The fact that Mal Waldron came along with my favorite jazz musicians is part of the answer.

Although I'm trying to find an objective answer to that question, music is totally "subjective" to me; in other words it's all about what I feel.

I'm sure Mal Waldron is in my collection but only as a sideman.

I could possibly buy this music, it's deep. Change that to probably buy this music; this is the first time I've heard it.


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Alex, I will acquire that music; Jackie Mac has many faces, and I liked this one a lot.

Ghosthouse, I liked the music submitted by Alex, which is an indication that the music you submitted wasn't that far off. That happens a lot with me in jazz; only in that instance I'll like a sideman, but when I get an album by the sideman, I could live without it; this is just the reverse.

Frogman, we are not saying anything different, in regard to the sidemen, but this is not face to face conversation where one can express different "nuances" in what they mean.


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This is what I mean by discovering old music that's new for me. I've never heard this fantastic tune by Abbey Lincoln; just out of curiosity, how many have heard this tune by Abbey before now?


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7w8Wb5_aZA


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Frogman, it's amazing; in order to appreciate Eric Dolphy, all we had to do was "listen". I liked that Eric Dolphy clip

Kenny Wheeler, forlorn and lost; like being in the middle of a dream that seems real, and you are in the middle of nowhere and don't know how you got there, or which way is home; then you wake up just before you lose your mind trying to figure things out. "Thank God that was just a dream".

I feel that bass; the tune comes to life after 5 minutes, and gets into a bag reminiscent of the 70's live music that I heard in clubs. I could possibly buy it, if I don't already have something similar. Top notch musicians, I recall all of them.


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I'm still trying to find "new" new music, meaning current music that meets with our approval. Since we like "good" jazz, and collectively we seem to be of one mind, more or less, in regard to what is "good jazz".

While me and Ghosthouse agreed that "Charlie Hayden and Jim Hall" was good jazz with the best of sonics; it was recorded live, and I couldn't take the applause.

It seemed every time the music hit a high point, the audience would applaud. That broke my concentration and focus on the music too many times; good jazz or not, I had to pass.

Now I'm reading Kenny Wheeler, "Songs For Quintet". It got 5 stars for performance, and 5 stars for sonics. If it's on "you tube" I'll get back to you.

It seems Mr. wheeler has been around awhile, but I'm not familiar with him. Here are the goods on Mr. Wheeler.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenny_Wheeler


Right now I'm listening to "Canter No. 1" from that album mentioned above. This album has that "ECM" label sound, if you can identify with that. "Comme Ci comme ca"; I could take it or leave it, but it still got a very high rating from "Stereophile". If sonics is your thing, it's a buy.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebLnzze7084




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Alex, I have many "ECM" records, only 1 CD that I can think of; for some reason I never play any of them. So the question is "Why did I buy them in the first place?" There are many things in that same category; bright yellow double knit bell bottomed slacks, with 3 inch cuffs; Why did I buy them, the moths don't even like them.

Things of that nature are just another one of life's riddles. Azimuth - "The Tunnel" is interesting though it's on ECM and is typical of their music.


          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scJ_cSvgFBM


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I don't know what's going on, but we have had a very long string of music that I would give a thumbs up to; all of it very interesting, even if it was on the borderline for a buy, and none of it was "stereotypical"; that's music I've heard for 101 times.

I'm submitting some music by a female vocalist that "stereophile" has raved about forever; that's automatically a thumbs down, I don't care for her vocals, but this time she got one thumbs up from me, her name is Patricia Barber.


                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi3i-HqDNFI


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If this has been posted before, please tell me. If it has been posted before, and I don't remember; that's simply a sign that I'm getting younger.

Although Milt Jackson is the undisputed king of the jazz vibraphone, Bobby Hutcherson holds his own. The fact that he was born in 1941, while Milt Jackson was born in 1923 helps a lot. Bobby's style is more modern than Milt's, which means he sounds "different"; that means the two of them are not so closely compared; I'll show you what I mean.

The differences in the coast's they were born closest to, Milt; East Coast, and Bobby, West Coast; also attributed to a difference in styles and selection of music. When you hear the links I'm going to post, you'll hear how superb both musicians sound, and you may even want to challenge the fact as I have stated, that Milt Jackson is the undisputed king of the jazz vibraphone.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUPBJPR4XJA


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhgUUe5czxc


This time, you get to be the judge.


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Frogman, I was hoping for more responses, and I didn't think you would be the first one. But as some wise philosopher stated "We got to play the cards that we're dealt".

Milt Jackson vs Bobby Hutcherson; although I opened up the debate for fun, I'll pass on that one for all the reasons you stated; however, Bird is the undisputed king; he would have been able to play anything Trane played with ease, and his trolley never jumped the tracks musically.

Since Harold Land composed the tune, however he played it was the way it was supposed to be played, and "A Night In Barcelona" is one of my favorite tunes that Bobby Hutcherson plays.

It's interesting that you should pick a tune with the style that Milt Jackson absolutely excels in, that tune "Effi" is Hard Bop, and however well Bobby Hutcherson plays it, Milt would run rings around him.

I didn't understand that "Pretty obvious" statement, where Milt, and Bobby were playing together.

Those last two clips are very nice; I've got to add both those artists to my collection.


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Ok Frogman; but first here's something with Bird and Milt, just to let you know that Milt could "Bop" with the best. (not the best recording quality)


                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9QDa3FnqwE


In regard to Bird and Trane, I don't quite know how we're to proceed; especially when I see "Bird" as the "undisputed" king.

BTW got to make a run, don't expect an instant reply.



             

Frogman, you have attempted to give an objective answer to a subjective question. Your answers are meaningless to someone who doesn't speak the language; and in this case, there is no objective answer.

All music is "subjective"; why do think so few on this forum post on this thread? Alex thought there was something wrong with the thread that eluded him. After awhile it became apparent to me that there are so few on this forum who are "jazz aficionados".

What does all of what I just said have to do with "who is the King"? King of what? King of the saxophone? King of modern jazz? You got it, both.

Although the people on this forum don't know enough to consider themselves "aficionados", they know who Miles Davis is. His name is the most repeated name on this forum.

If the current top name in jazz, went to New York searching for "Bird", worshiped and almost idolized "Bird", what does that say about "Bird".

When he died; among aficionados, you would have thought the Pope died. I was in Chicago a year after he died, and saw "Bird Lives" scrawled all over the place. I'm sure it was the same in New York.

While the name "Trane" is held very high, the name "Bird" is held even higher.


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Frogman; Alex posted yesterday at 5:17PM and you haven't responded, but you decided to post a "destructive" comment to me; it's been evident your only objective is to destroy this thread; I call it "jealously". Otherwise you would have started your own thread a long time ago.

That's part of your last post below.

Btw, I think you shortchange others on this forum. There are many participants here who, for (I assume) various reasons, choose not to participate in this thread. I base that on comments I read made on other threads. Imo, it's always best to not make too many assumptions about what and how much one knows; personally, I prefer to focus on what I may not know.

If you know so many participants who for various reasons choose not to participate in this thread, why don't you at least divulge the reasons; I'm sure you were sworn to secrecy and can not divulge the names.

That's the kind of snarky sh-t you have been posting for some time. What's your reply to this?

Frogman, I was listening to "Bird With Strings" and it occurred to me that you had the audacity to compare Trane with Bird, insinuating that Trane might be better.

"Bird" is, was, and always will be in a league of his own. There were none before him, and there will be none after him. "Bird With Strings" is just as up to date this instant, as it was when he cut it, in 1949.

Your evaluation my dear sir, indicates you are in the "Junior League" of aficionados.


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In regard to the question, "Why do some people start new threads for jazz questions?" Honestly, I don't know, but I can speculate in regard to some possibilities.

This might be the longest thread in the history of "Audiogon"; it's so big that people are intimidated when they try and get a feel for what it's about. That sounds like a very good reason to me. If they have a question, and start a thread asking the question they want answered, they are guaranteed of getting responses.

If you notice, this thread is comprised of regulars who have been on this thread since it's beginning on 02-24-2013. Occasionally we'll pick up a knowledgeable aficionado, and lose him after a few pages of quarrels that he has no interest in, and if they continue; he's gone for good.

Apparently Frogman knows how to get under my skin, and get a stupid argument going, because he does it quite frequently, and says "Who me?"

I stated that Milt Jackson is the undisputed king of the jazz vibraphone, actually hoping to open a discussion and ward off any serious debate; especially since Rok had already stated  that Milt Jackson was the king.

As it happened, Frogman was the first responder, and there is nothing Frogman likes better than a good argument, and he wont quit with me until he gets one.

So much for that; back to a more serious question that Frogman claims to have the answer to "Why aren't there more posters on this thread?"

If you go through the music threads that date for a year, you will see very few relating to jazz, and even the one's you find will be very specific, and it will be obvious why they asked the question on a new thread, as opposed to coming here. That's my conclusion, if anyone has anything else, please share it.


Enjoy the music.