Acman, now it's coming back to me; to the uninitiated, that sounds like noise, but, if you have special musical receptors in your brain that are tuned to "Fusion", it's music from another planet.
Somehow, that music was always best live with black lights that made ladies stockings glow, when they had the right kind of pastel hot pink kind.
The music was best live because no recording was ever clear enough to catch all the little sounds at high frequencies that made that kind of music work. And to be perfectly honest, I had always inhaled some kind of musical enhancement fumes; they really clarified the sound; not to be confused with what's going on today.
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Frogman, are you ready to go into fusion in depth; I mean to cover it to your hearts content, rather than just skim over it?
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Frogman, the first time I heard Grant Green was in 58 before he became a professional, which means I heard him far beyond his discography, that means I'm very well acquainted with just about everything about his music.
Review by Stephen Thomas Erlewine [-]
Mosaic released a four-disc box set titled The Complete Blue Note With Sonny Clark in 1991, rounding up everything that the guitarist and pianist recorded together between 1961 and 1962. Blue Note's 1997 version of the set, The Complete Quartets With Sonny Clark, trims Mosaic's collection by two discs, offering only the quartet sessions (the Ike Quebec sessions, Born to Be Blue and Blue and Sentimental, are available on individual discs). In some ways, this actually results in a more unified set, since it puts Green and Clark directly in the spotlight, with no saxophone to complete for solos, but it doesn't really matter if the music is presented as this double-disc set, the four-disc box, or the individual albums -- this is superb music, showcasing the guitarist and pianist at their very best. All of the sessions are straight-ahead bop but the music has a gentle, relaxed vibe that makes it warm, intimate, and accessible. Grant and Clark's mastery is subtle -- the music is so enjoyable, you may not notice the deftness of their improvisation and technique -- but that invests the music with the grace, style, and emotion that distinguishes The Complete Quartets. Small group hard bop rarely comes any better than this.
There is a possibility that I'm not accustomed to this "gentle relaxed vibe that makes it warm and intimate". Since I prefer his driving hard bop, it's just a matter of taste and opinion.
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Rok, here's one of your favorite artists Chick Corea, him and "Return To Forever" put out some good music that I still listen to. Flora Purim – vocals, percussion Joe Farrell – soprano saxophone, flute Chick Corea – electric piano, Fender Rhodes Stanley Clarke – acoustic bass, electric bass Airto Moreira – drums, percussion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAYUfuJW18UFlora Purim never sounded better. Here's another one by "Return to Forever" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHVNIqbncrMIt was a girl who told me to buy three albums: "Hymn of The Seventh Galaxy"; "Sextant" by Herby Hancock, and "Black Market" by Weather Report. I had never heard "fusion" before then; this music was astounding, like nothing I had ever heard, and to think "a girl" recommended this, wonders never cease. Enjoy the music. |
I've got some really good earphones, not the kind I assume someone would buy for the computer, that sound so much better than cheap speakers, is the reason I mention this. If you have some good earphones gathering dust, try hooking them up to your computer.
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Frogman, although I've heard Miles mention "In a Silent Way", it was one of his albums that eluded me. That album was released at about the same time I saw Miles live in Chicago. This wasn't in a club setting, but in a huge auditorium, and somebody bought the cheap seats, consequently I don't remember the personnel on that performance, but I'm assuming they were similar to the record. Nina Simone and Herby Mann were on the same bill, that's why it was in such a huge place.
Miles Davis – trumpet
Wayne Shorter – soprano saxophone
John McLaughlin – electric guitar
Chick Corea – electric piano
Herbie Hancock – electric piano
Joe Zawinul – organ
Dave Holland – double bass
Tony Williams – drums
However, I do remember the sound of that performance and it was what the above cast would produce; electric piano, Tony Williams on drums, Wayne Shorter, John Mclaughlin, electric guitar. That sound coming from Miles Davis was a shock that I wasn't prepared for, but my New Yorker friend clued me in.
Musicians at the clubs I went to began to duplicate that "electric sound". By that time the shock had worn off and I kind of liked it.
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Santana and "Abraxas" took over the world of music in 1970; this music could be heard everywhere I went; jazz, rock, blues establishments, no matter what the dominant genre of music in that particular lounge, something from "Abraxas" was on the jukebox. (never went to a hillbilly lounge) Rok, you have to go back to what was happening at that time in order to re-discover fusion; I'm sure you bought at least 2 or 3 fusion albums. "The Beatles" music was popular at that time, and since I didn't care for "The Beatles" I didn't know I was listening to their music recorded by another artist; everybody recorded their music. So many things were happening in the music world in general, that "jazz-Jazz" was pushed completely out of the picture. I use this music to audition just about everything when I'm going to make a new audio purchase. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xskk5q1DL6AEnjoy the music |
Unfortunately I kind of understand what you mean; I'm looking at two tall stacks of records at this very moment, the reason they're stacked in a wrong manner is because I ran out of room, and don't know what to do with them. I understand exactly what you mean about the CD test.
Frogman's leading this parade, and I'm going to do what I can to add to it. The problem I'm having is that I don't seem to be able to add anything new, or discover anything new like we did in "Hard Bop". I was hoping you would come up with something I overlooked during that time.
My frame of mind has changed so much since then; that's the only thing I can think of that would alter my taste so much from that time until now. But we are all a part of a "Magagopolis" and when it changes so do we. It has changed drastically since then, and it hasn't been in the slow normal fashion. When I step back on to the moon and look down, I can see changes people are unaware of; especially economically.
Since how we are affected by economic changes would change the subject drastically I'll let it rest till everybody is ready.
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Rok, I have discovered some music that's new to me, it's Dorothy's harp. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J78y1zpHhMcI have never before seen or heard of this album, which is rather strange since I'm a Dorothy Ashby fan from way back. I'm going to continnue to look; this CD is just over 30 minutes and cost's $24.61. That's better than $240. for one CD I looked into, but it adds up. Enjoy the music. |
Here he is, Alan Pasqua with the "Anti Social-Club"; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFa7FZm9wMQGenuine Bona Fide fusion, electrical to the bone, it's even got a little echo, that reminds me of reverb, back in the day; sounded like you were in a cave in an automobile. That was first rate Ghosthouse, what else you got? Enjoy the music. |
Rok, I just received this "Bluesy Burrell" CD and the player said ERROR and wouldn't go any farther, just wondering if you ever had this same problem with one of the new CD's we've been ordering.
Another thing, the computer wouldn't identify it for the playlist.
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Ghosthouse, never be disappointed at what we think about the music that you like. I'm hard to please (wish I had been this way before I got married) The link you put up had a "hip-hop" beat. It didn't quite work for me.
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Rok, it's all your fault, you got me locked into this time warp; the closer we get to the present, the less I like the music.
All the new divas are shapely and beautiful, but can not sing; apparently I might as well adjust to my time capsule and shut up.
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I didn't have any luck Ghosthouse. Why don't you put the link up to what you think is best.
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Rok, you must be in repeat mode; maybe we're running out, I know I've run out of fusion. Where is Frogman? He's the Chief Grand Poobah of fusion.
Why don't you give a report on the new stuff you've ordered and received.
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Jafant, Coltrane has a list of better than first class recordings longer than my arm.
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Ghosthouse, it takes a long list of very good recordings over a period of years for an artist to be considered a good jazz musician, but if an artist is not even being considered, yet has two good recordings, I want those two good recordings. Case in point "Sugarcane Harris", I never heard his name before, but I'm presently enjoying his music, thanks to you.
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I'm listening to John Coltrane and my present references are to "Kulu Se Mama". Juno Lewis is doing African vocals, and percussion; it's on the Impulse label. Although this is pretty far out, it's within musical bounds (according to me, and my definition of "musical bounds") This was recorded October 14, 1965, two years after I saw him live. I make this point in time to establish a couple of things; although I heard what can best be described as "free jazz" after he played "My Favorite Things" as far as it would go, so far he has not recorded this "free jazz". "Kulu Se Mama" gets 4 stars, I like it. There's another point I want to make; Elvin Jones and McCoy Tyner are with him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryMLO7Ed4d8Now we go into a time when Elvin Jones and McCoy Tyner are not with John Coltrane. In 63, when Trane went so far out, that McCoy Tyner looked at Elvin Jones, who was already looking at him, as if to say "What now"? and McCoy Tyner looked down at his piano, as if to say "just follow me". What I'm doing right now is duplicating that moment in time without McCoy Tyner and Elvin Jones. I'm also saying something that's never been said, great musicians of the stature of McCoy Tyner and Elvin Jones don't like to be left in mid air in front of a live audience, and evidently what I saw in 63 was happening quite often; they looked silly for an instant, and the audience was looking at them with a quizzical look because they were not with Trane musically. This is from "Infinity" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3jaJDr8zKAFrogman, can you be musically and politically correct? The reason I make this statement is because you always choose to be "politically" correct. What is your assessment when comparing "free jazz" to what I consider is within musical bounds. This is definitely out of what I consider "Musical bounds", what say you frogman? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjDrkTmqxQkEnjoy the music |
I'm glad the parade is back on track, and I'll give it top priority.
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Frogman, you were definitely suppose to overlook that post, after me making this post.
I'm glad the parade is back on track, and I'll give it top priority.
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Frogman, you have made it impossible to proceed with fusion, we have to go back to that post
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Acman, "Free Jazz", should be free; I'm sure I wouldn't think that way if I was on the set feeling all the vibes, but since I'm not.....
Chicago Underground, was interesting; easy to listen to, I like the combination of instruments. I'll have to hear more in order to form an opinion, but they're off to a good start.
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frogman, on this date and time 05-10-2016 8:09pm I asked you a question that you never answered. If I ask you where you're going, you tell me where you have been. If I ask you where you have been, you tell me where you're going, but whatever the question, you never answer, but go into one of your long diatribes.
Today is 05/17/2016, that means that question was asked 7 days ago. I reworded that same question on 05/16/2016 5:43PM. on 05/16/2016 8:17 PM you pop up, back leading the parade (where have you been) since you're back leading the parade, I let you know I'm glad you're back "Leading the parade".
What do you do? you go "back" to a post written at 5:43PM, and you still don't respond to the post, but go into a rant about "political correctness".
I'm the person who brought up Santana "Abraxas", not as an illustration of fusion. On 05/15/2016 at 1:55 PM I brought up Santana to set up the time frame, and I also brought up "The Beatles" did you think that I was using them for an example of fusion as well?
I can not imagine anyone stupid enough to think Santana "Abraxas" was fusion. Why did you think that I was stupid enough to think "Abraxas" was fusion?
"I never cease to amaze you" that's funny because you don't amaze me "It's the same old Frogman" never reading anyone's post all the way through, getting whatever meaning he chooses to get out of every post, and never answering any questions directly. I've mentioned this thing about Coltrane more times than I can count, and you have yet to respond to it. All you have to do is listen to the music and tell me what you think. You have already listened to the music that I used as an example of the same music he played when I saw him live in 63, and you don't know how to answer.
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Frogman, it crossed my mind, that you had mentioned we had not gone into fusion in depth. (idea) Go into fusion, and let Frogman "Lead the Parade"
You posted on page 127; 5-15-2016 10:31 AM and you did not post again until
5-16-2016 at 8:17 PM, that's over 24 hours, and you were supposed to be leading the parade in fusion. After your first post, I responded with a positive post.
What do you do; instead of going on into fusion, you go into one of your negative diatribes as usual.
Rok, does not like fusion, I liked fusion when it came out, but when Rok mentioned it did not pass the CD test, I knew exactly what he was talking about; I spent money on one of those HD down loads, and never even play the thing, I forgot about it; that says what I care about fusion.
If anything can be "F"ed up you're the man to do it. We didn't have to be here, but we are.
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Frogman, almost all genres of music relate to something that's common to a lot of people in some segment of this population; blues, "My women done left me"; jazz, hip city streets; hillbilly, rural life, mostly in the south; country and western; horses, cowboys, rodeo life; you get the picture, and you can go on and on with the different segments of the population.
"Jazz fusion"; look at the covers on the albums, and the titles; "Hymn to The Seventh Galaxy", with electronic space music; there's no way that music could stand the test of time. Music doesn't exist in a vacuum, it has to relate to something that relates to human beings in order to withstand the test of time.
Since you were enthused with "Fusion", I was certain that you could lead us to whatever we missed, and that I might be able to add something new from that genre of music.
Now that the interest is below 0, I think we should let Rok take us into whatever direction he chooses.
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Frogman, if your post is interesting, I'll respond to it.
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"Jelly Roll Morton", the man who invented jazz, how could you go wrong there?
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Rok, I forgot, you never met Miles aunt Corine.
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The name for the day is Trilok Gurtu; he is a very interesting individual who has collaborated with a number of master jazz musicians. Without a doubt, he is one of the most innovative percussionist around; not only that, but he can work in a lot of different grooves; here he is with his own trio. I don't know what this gal is singing, but I like it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtI91wVr6vs"The Magic of Drums" with Airto Moreira, and Trilok; and this is just the beginning of what Trilok can do. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISj_X-qgyj8Enjoy the music. |
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Carlos Santana is one of my favorite artists, and when I mentioned him before, I was trying to establish the mood of the early seventies by naming other artists in different genres who were popular. I know when I visited some of my other friends who were jazz aficionados, they also had the latest "Carlos Santana". Here's another Santana I like a lot; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_YsoCDrnH4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrWqli5cq1EEnjoy the music. |
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Rok, I want the low down on whatever you've finished listening to.
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During the 70's, there was no "you-tube" to help you decide what records to buy,consequently, you depended on music reviews, or recommendations from other people; the music reviews could explain how I got all these ECM records. I had gotten tired of buying "crappy" records I didn't like by known artists even; it was a real crap shoot, because you couldn't take records back. That's when I began going with what I had heard, or the most consistent artist. Santana was certainly consistent, and sometime he included known jazz artists, like Alice Coltrane, but today I'm more in the mood for something more current by Santana; like "Blues For Salvador". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xxr3-CBams&list=PL5wKk_oSFx1VL0aYDSHiOSOSRtQikam9Y&index=2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVeFsfOwCa8&list=PL5wKk_oSFx1VL0aYDSHiOSOSRtQikam9Y&index=5Santana was a heck of a lot more consistent than jazz at that time; I had spent too much money for saying WTF after the first cut. Enjoy the music. |
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Rok, this is what went out of Scott AFB when the Tsunami hit in the Indian ocean. http://www.af.mil/News/ArticleDisplay/tabid/223/Article/135288/amc-aircraft-people-support-tsunami-r...I couldn't care less what Mavis Staples is talking about, but it wasn't Katrina, it was the Aftermath in New Orleans. I was stationed at Scott in the reserves as a "loadmaster", I know what a C5A can carry; Scott was 2 hours from New Orleans. Lewis Armstrong International was dry, no problem landing a C5A. This occurred eight months before the "Katrina" disaster. The Indian Ocean is half way around the world from Scott AFB, and New Orleans was two hours flight time from Scott. While the city was flooded, Louis Armstrong International remained dry and able to receive air traffic. C5A's are really huge aircraft, and just one flight complete with food, water, hospital staff, and rescue personnel, plus the ability to coordinate all military resources in that area; would have solved New Orleans problems, and all it took was one phone call from the White House. KATRINA TIMELINE By ThinkProgress on Sep 6, 2005 at 11:53 pm Sunday, August 28 APPROXIMATELY 30,000 EVACUEES GATHER AT SUPERDOME WITH ROUGHLY 36 HOURS WORTH OF FOOD [Times-Picayune] Monday, August 29 — KATRINA MAKES LANDFALL AS A CATEGORY 4 HURRICANE [CNN] 7:30 AM CDT — BUSH ADMINISTRATION NOTIFIED OF THE LEVEE BREACH: The administration finds out that a levee in New Orleans was breached. On this day, 28 “government agencies, from local Louisiana parishes to the White House, [reported that] that New Orleans levees” were breached. [AP] 11:13 AM CDT – WHITE HOUSE CIRCULATES INTERNAL MEMO ABOUT LEVEE BREACH: “Flooding is significant throughout the region and a levee in New Orleans has reportedly been breached sending 6-8 feet of water throughout the 9th ward area of the city.” [AP] 8PM CDT — GOV. BLANCO AGAIN REQUESTS ASSISTANCE FROM BUSH: “Mr. President, we need your help. We need everything you’ve got.” [Newsweek] LATE PM — BUSH GOES TO BED WITHOUT ACTING ON BLANCO’S REQUESTS Tuesday, August 30 U.S.S. BATAAN SITS OFF SHORE, VIRTUALLY UNUSED: “The USS Bataan, a 844-foot ship designed to dispatch Marines in amphibious assaults, has helicopters, doctors, hospital beds, food and water. It also can make its own water, up to 100,000 gallons a day. And it just happened to be in the Gulf of Mexico when Katrina came roaring ashore. The Bataan rode out the storm and then followed it toward shore, awaiting relief orders. Helicopter pilots flying from its deck were some of the first to begin plucking stranded New Orleans residents. But now the Bataan’s hospital facilities, including six operating rooms and beds for 600 patients, are empty.” [Chicago Tribune] Wednesday, August 31 SUPERDOME; CONDITIONS DETERIORATE: “A 2-year-old girl slept in a pool of urine. Crack vials littered a restroom. Blood stained the walls next to vending machines smashed by teenagers. ‘We pee on the floor. We are like animals,’ said Taffany Smith, 25, as she cradled her 3-week-old son, Terry. … By Wednesday, it had degenerated into horror. … At least two people, including a child, have been raped. At least three people have died, including one man who jumped 50 feet to his death, saying he had nothing left to live for. There is no sanitation. The stench is overwhelming.”" [Los Angeles Times, 9/1/05] 3,000 STRANDED AT CONVENTION CENTER WITHOUT FOOD OR WATER: “With 3,000 or more evacuees stranded at the convention center — and with no apparent contingency plan or authority to deal with them — collecting a body was no one’s priority. … Some had been at the convention center since Tuesday morning but had received no food, water or instructions.” [Times-Picayune They remembered all of those resources that were directed out of Scott Air Force Base, Ill, for people half way around the world in the Indian Ocean; but they forgot they had them for the citizens of New Orleans, which was only two hours flight time from Scott. |
Rok, you have a very poor memory, SANTANA is not fusion, nor was that intended to represent FUSION, I like Santana, and Shadowfax better than some fusion OK. (or maybe it is fusion, ask Frogman)
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Rok your first allegiance is to the Constitution of the United States, not to some criminal politicians in high price suits in Washington who no more respect the constitution than they do you and me. While crack addicts, and heroin addicts are addicted to dope, those politicians are addicted to MONEY, and whether you believe it or not "freeway Rickey" would be free if he had paid his dues to the people he was suppose to pay them to, and that's just a grain of sand on a huge mountain.
Who paid for Scott AFB and every plane on it? Who paid for the USS Bataan? Who Paid your salary while you were in the military? How much benefit did those citizens of New Orleans get out of the taxes they paid, and their ancestors paid. Those people paid for the USS Bataan, and they were entitled to benefit from it's use, as well as everything else that belongs to "Citizens of the United States of America"
The people where the Tsunami hit were not even citizens of this country; what entitled them to the benefits they received? Rok, your allegiance is not to criminals in expensive suits but to the United States Constitution.
This country as you believe it to be, has not existed since Charley Chan was a government officer. (Frogman, I know Charley Chan is fiction, but the fact that government agencies functioned like they were suppose to function is the point I'm trying to get across, please don't post that "Charley Chan is fiction)
I, Rok_____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God." (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962).
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Frogman, you can not throw a rock, and say you want to avoid a fight; please point out the fiction in what I said, because I believed every word to be the gospel truth, or I would not have said it.
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"Aficionados"! On this day, Friday, the 20th of May, 2016, Orpheus and Frogman agree on something; ditto on Wynton. Don't be surprised if a volcano somewhere erupts, or some other cataclysmic event occurs.
If there was an award for the most "stereotypical" jazz of the year, Wynton Marsalis would win it every year.
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Rok, that sure sounds good, I completely missed that one. This is what I'm talking about when I say you think you got it all, when something by one of your favorite musicians pops up that you never heard before.
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"Grover Washington Jr." was certainly popular in the 70's. That's when I was traveling a lot between St. Louis and Atlanta, and Grover Washington was very popular in both places. He was one of the most consistent musicians when it came to good sounding music; that continued up until his death in 1999. In 1971, he came out with an album titled "Inner City Blues", and there was not one bad cut on it; as a matter of fact, I have to present 3 cuts on that album: Inner City Blues; Mercy Mercy Me, and Ain't No Sunshine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUxHao8aZPI&list=PLutzgs53WVha-XVfWBt4zEqpnhCfoiMl5 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CXWsVg3ZC4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKfiyY9UcpIThose three cuts were from the same album. I bought that album when it came out, and it is well worn. This is what "Wiki" says about Grovers style; Fusion, Jazz-Funk, Smooth Jazz; I'm not quite sure I know what all that means, but when Grover does it, I like it. One last time for Grover; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaeEEqA3pPsEnjoy the music. |
One of my favorite vocal albums is one I've been listening to a lot lately; it's "Film Noir" which was nominated for the Grammy Award for Best Traditional Pop Vocal Performance. This album is by Carly Simon, who has been all over the place in regard to musical genres. This album, Carly Simon and her vocals seem to bring a part of my past alive, and back to the present. Have you ever heard a song, or an album that you felt was made especially for you; every song in this album reaches me in that manner. The very first cut on this album grabbed me; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0wta3xkqJo&list=PLF8ORYKG1eEqjPegl49CHYc_Scqa40vDmIt's like when you were with one woman but thinking about another, and this other woman seemed to have the audacity to be looking over your shoulder and telling you "You Won't Forget Me". Fortunately this album comes with a video, I think you'll like it. Enjoy the music. |
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Ghosthouse, you got my day off to a good start; when I discovered that something I posted is not only benefiting you, but also someone in your family, that really blessed my day. This is another album by Didier Lockwood that impressed me; he can touch on so many different genres, and still stay in the framework of jazz. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbsnoE4RvCk&list=PLehwxpvRcYAGVoOfi1iG4PzEvPoXWlRoUEnjoy the music. |
Rok, I am 100% certain that Grant Green never played "Moon River" at any of the establishments he played in that I went to in St. Louis, MO.
I had to add that "Missouri" because there might be another St. Louis somewhere ; maybe St. Louis of France, but not MO.
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