Fact 1. Blue Note had so many "junky musicians" that Horace Silver quit working at Blue Note.
Now it's time for a question; why did Blue Note have so many junky musicians?
Fact 2. Grant Greens best records were not released in his life time. While that has been asserted by others; you're an "aficionado", meaning if you were to evaluate the records, you would know whether or not they were inferior. If you don't feel you are capable of that, then you're on the wrong thread.
Fact 3. These so called "inferior records" wound up in Japan; did they walk?
Fact 1. + fact 2. + fact 3. = Blue Note's bottom line. They sold those records to Japan, with the stipulation, that they not be released for American consumption until after Grant Green was dead.
The reason for fact 1 is because a "junky" would sell his mama for a fix. Blue Note also had the best jazz musicians. I know Grant Green was a boss jazz musician before he went to work for Blue Note. I do not know anything about Grant Green being a junky before he went to Blue Note. St. Louis is not a big town when it comes to the grapevine, a secret like that is almost impossible to keep.
Blue Note almost kidnapped Grant Green; one listen and they knew he was boss; jazz was in his soul; I know I witnessed it personally, many times.
"Junky" jazz musicians who are some of the very best, who will sign almost anything when their "Jones come down" "Ma jones coming down on me"
There it is Rok, and I didn't even have to multiply or do "long division".
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Now that you've made the Prince connection, can you make the Pope connection?
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Art Blakey would not have wound up poverty stricken, if he had quit hitting on "Nica". He didn't realize she was a 'Baroness' or didn't know what that meant. Rich Americans pay a fortune to get a title like that by marrying someone with a title. She was trying to help manage his affairs, and he was hitting on the lady. She could take a bath with nothing but a cigarette in her cigarette holder, listening to Monk and Miles, or whoever happened to be jamming downstairs, and no one would dare take a peek. She went to the worst neighborhoods in New York ( so bad that cops wouldn't even go to them), and let the winos guard her Bentley while she took in the set at a reserved table.
It would seem that would have told Blakey something; but no, not until the lady got tired of trying to help him, and I don't think he realized even then what went down; but I was told that drummers aren't the brightest bulbs.
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Frogman, and Rok, I never realized how good Grant Green's records were until now. I knew he was a good jazz musician, but I didn't realize how good until now. Maybe it's because I had heard him live without paying a fortune.
I don't know when or how he became a "junky"; I "strongly suspect" it had something to do with his associates at Blue Note records. Why did they, the junkys that is, wind up "poverty stricken"? Although they were some of the most talented jazz musicians who ever lived, they wound up poverty stricken. One of the reasons for certain is; they became junkys, but junkys with good business managers don't become "poverty stricken"; therefore I advise all junkys to get good business managers, and set a little aside for that "need a fix bad" day.
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Alex, you are officially one of the original aficionados, therefore what ever you say is important "is important". We write the rules here.
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This is the day after an all night stand of partying, and nobody wanted to go home; it's around 7 AM and here we are sitting around "Maude's Flat", "whipped" meaning too tired, but not wanting to go home. There's a guy there I call "Rapscallion" because he's forever rapping, and everybody is listening because he's the only person with enough energy to rapp. Nobody knows what he's talking about, but he's talking fast and hip; consequently, it must be about something, but nobody has the mental agility to figure out what it is. BLUES IN MAUD'S FLAT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuJKFQ-OqPoEnjoy the music. |
Alex I appreciate you coming out in my favor, but I have totally disregarded them dudes in regard to "Grant Green". I'm trying to find out what the recording quality is on "The Complete Blue Note recordings of Grant Green with Sonny Clark"
Once before I got a long compilation of Chico Hamilton's albums, that had lousy recording quality. I got a 3 sound compilation with the same problem. It's a waste of time and money to get anything with lousy recording quality.
I want all 0f those albums that were released late and went to Japan, those are the ones I don't have. Let me know if you got a lead on those.
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I asked this guy "qdrone" what stuff to avoid buying by Grant Green because he said it was inferior. This is what he posted 01-23-2011 at 1:29PM;
Qdrone, could you name the stuff to avoid, I would like to buy it.
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01-23-2011 1:29pm
Anything that says never released or only released in Japan. Or in box sets where you have newly discovered tracks (Mosiac has one or two sets with Green) I actualy posted for everyone to understand the times these recordings were made,heroin was problem among many musicians,I'm sorry that your so full of yourself that you thought i was just responding to you.
Maybe "Qdrone" changed his moniker, or left, I haven't seen him in a long time; but that was stuff to avoid.
llMusic Review by Stephen Thomas Erlewine [-]
Mosaic released a four-disc box set titled The Complete Blue Note With Sonny Clark in 1991, rounding up everything that the guitarist and pianist recorded together between 1961 and 1962. Blue Note's 1997 version of the set, The Complete Quartets With Sonny Clark, trims Mosaic's collection by two discs, offering only the quartet sessions (the Ike Quebec sessions, Born to Be Blue and Blue and Sentimental, are available on individual discs). In some ways, this actually results in a more unified set, since it puts Green and Clark directly in the spotlight, with no saxophone to complete for solos, but it doesn't really matter if the music is presented as this double-disc set, the four-disc box, or the individual albums -- this is superb music, showcasing the guitarist and pianist at their very best. All of the sessions are straight-ahead bop but the music has a gentle, relaxed vibe that makes it warm, intimate, and accessible. Grant and Clark's mastery is subtle -- the music is so enjoyable, you may not notice the deftness of their improvisation and technique -- but that invests the music with the grace, style, and emotion that distinguishes The Complete Quartets. Small group hard bop rarely comes any better than this.
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Rok, and Frogman, we seem to have some contradiction here; could you guys help me out, I don't know what to do.
Somewhere I saw the Mosaic sets were the ones to own, but Qdrone said these were the ones to avoid, because "junky" Grant Green had made inferior music that could not be released, and he got that from very reliable sources. Now we find all that music "walked" to Japan; is that right Rok? That was the music that you said was not released, and what's the problem everybody has music that wasn't released.
My way of saying, that if GAME CHANGERS, like Prince, The Beatles and probably every artist that has ever recorded, including Elvis, Chuck Berry and Miles, can have unreleased material, what is the big deal about a run of the mill R&G guitar player from St Louis having the same?
Now I am really confused; someone said avoid the inferior junky music, meaning the Mosaic boxed sets, someone else says "So what", I'm still saying the same thing I said on 01-23-2011, and I'm still trying to track that music down so I can buy it.
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Frogman, you might as not even read my post, because you write anything you want anyway, that has no relation to my post.
My last post was about "records"; those are the things that existed before CD's were invented. They were in Japan before Grant Green died; they were in the hands of Japanese collectors, while fans like me were unaware of their very existence, how do you explain that? We did not know about their existence till after Grant Green was dead and long buried.
Now I guess you and Rok will give me a perfectly good explanation that will include Prince, Elvis, Miles, Chuck Berry, and you might as well throw in the Pope. Now you say you're not concerned about records when that's exactly what my post was about. Since you and Rok are in lockstep, you can answer for him.
I saw Grant Green the person many times, I even talked to him face to face, I liked his music very much, I should have been able to purchase his records; they should have been in my collection, not some Japanese collection. The question is why? Why were they not available for purchase in the United States where the man lived and died, where Rok who is so patriotic that if I say anything that might hint at failure of the government is all over me, but he doesn't see anything wrong with records that were not made available to citizens of this country, but were made available to citizens of Japan.
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You two "Snarky Puppies" are not fooling anybody; you use to speak for Learsfool, now you're speaking for Rok, and neither one of you completely responded to Alex's post, and now you don't respond to mine, when all I'm trying to do is get the lies in regard to Grant Green's music straight so that I can buy the right CD's.
When I show you a review of the disputed music, you say I'm running a Grant Green fan club, when all I want is just a little friendly advice.
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Frogman, the definition of "Aficionado" is so very simple: a person who likes, knows about, and fervently pursues an activity or interest; in this case "jazz records". Is there anything else I can help you with?
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Frogman, the subject is "records"; they are those black disks we used to play before CD's, remember them? They were supposed to have been unfit for release. Now we find they were among the best Grant Green ever made. If they had been released here in the United States, Grant Green might still be alive, he was just a little older than me, and I'm still kicking, unless this is a ghostwriter post.
He left his hospital bed, against the doctor's orders, to perform, because he needed the money. Now you and Rok argued that since Blue Note's bottom line was money, if the records had been any good they would have been released; now we find they were released for "Japanese" consumption. Apparently Blue Note's bottom line, and Grant Green's bottom line were not in harmony.
Now I know you and Rok want to move on. After you and Rok respond with some sensible answers we can move on; but I'm not going to gloss over the injustice that Grant Green suffered.
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If that post was supposed to be a response to my post, it's the silliest you ever made.
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Rok, I don't think it was as much an outrage as the Grant Green outrage; not only was he denied what was due him for producing the music, I was denied the pleasure of having those records in my collection, I was denied the pleasure of listening to some of his best music. He was one of the very few artists that I had met and talked to, he was one of the very few artists that I had seen live many times; to be denied the pleasure of listening to his records was an injustice to me personally.
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Acman, how do you know that? could you share your new found knowledge with me? No you can't, because you are dead 200% wrong.
llMusic Review by Stephen Thomas Erlewine [-]
Mosaic released a four-disc box set titled The Complete Blue Note With Sonny Clark in 1991, rounding up everything that the guitarist and pianist recorded together between 1961 and 1962. Blue Note's 1997 version of the set, The Complete Quartets With Sonny Clark, trims Mosaic's collection by two discs, offering only the quartet sessions (the Ike Quebec sessions, Born to Be Blue and Blue and Sentimental, are available on individual discs). In some ways, this actually results in a more unified set, since it puts Green and Clark directly in the spotlight, with no saxophone to complete for solos, but it doesn't really matter if the music is presented as this double-disc set, the four-disc box, or the individual albums -- this is superb music, showcasing the guitarist and pianist at their very best. All of the sessions are straight-ahead bop but the music has a gentle, relaxed vibe that makes it warm, intimate, and accessible. Grant and Clark's mastery is subtle -- the music is so enjoyable, you may not notice the deftness of their improvisation and technique -- but that invests the music with the grace, style, and emotion that distinguishes The Complete Quartets. Small group hard bop rarely comes any better than this.
Those records were made between 61 and 62, when they were the market; that was when "straight up jazz" was king; no "soul jazz" no "hip hop jazz" but straight up "hard bop jazz"; the kind Miles Davis is famous for.
Do You know who "Sonny Clark" is?
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Hank Mobley recorded "No Room For Squares" on October 2, 1963 at Rudy Van Gelder's studio.
Lee Morgan; trumpet
Andrew Hill; piano
John Ore; Bass
Philly Joe Jones; drums
Donald Byrd recorded "At The Half note Cafe" with Pepper Adams, baritone sax; Duke Pearson, piano; Lex Humphries, drums; Laymon Jackson, bass in November 1960; that's two months from 1961.
Frogman, I saw Trane at Gino's in St. Louis in 1963, and he was blowing a soprano sax, not a "tenor" sax. He played "My Favorite Things" much longer than what you hear on his album.
Grant Greens music would have been right on time; now come back to me with your YA YA.
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I was listening to Sonny Clark and Grant Green playing "Airgin", this is one of Grants favorite tunes; he played that for himself. I say that because before he went to Blue Note, I saw him at a club he went to informally, and played his guitar when he felt like it. There was no admission and me and my jazz buddies really dug Grant, naturally we were there. His guitar certainly sounds nice with him and Sonny Clark; I was trying to see if I could remember when he played it back then, and the difference I'm hearing now. It's much more complex on this recording; the difference in time from then until now is not that great, now is 1961 and then was 1958; that's only 3 years but what a difference playing for yourself, and playing with guys of Sonny Clark's caliber would make. The comments made by the peanut gallery rolled off my back like water off a duck. I'm listening to the real deal, "Grant Green", and he was idolized by us, just as much as Miles Davis. We never talked to Miles because he was in New York. They might as well say Miles is from New York, I only saw him at a show in Chicago. When he came to St. Louis on a visit, he stayed out at his fathers farm, he never came out to socialize and have a drink. Naturally I feel closer to someone's music that I actually talked to, and heard up close and personal. Now don't misunderstand, I'm still a jazz "aficionado" and judging this music at the same time I'm listening to it. I don't say it's boss simply because I heard Grant live; but because it is. Although I talked to Grant, I can't say that I knew him, because that would mean we were friends, and seeing someone and talking to them is a long way from being friends; consequently, I'm giving this music my 'aficionado' judgment. Right now I'm listening to "you tube", but this music will soon be in my collection. The fact that it's not in my collection is what hurts; it should have been in my collection from the time he made it. What I'm listening to at the moment has Sonny Clark piano; Sam Jones, bass; Art Blakey or Louis Hayes, drums, and of course Grant Green guitar. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFzKG6bIwJQ&list=PLC629098E62874E5F&index=7Now I can only get whatever they offer, when at that time I could have gotten an individual record, and not missed anything; but this is better than nothing. Enjoy the music. |
Frogman, you could re-write history, just like you're re-writing Grant Green; but you can not erase those ugly things called FACTS.
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"As Rok put it" is Rok no longer able to post for himself?
Frogman you were 100% wrong about that long running Grant Green saga, and there is no way I'm going to take the time to read your usual diatribe that says nothing, so you get over that.
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I put every single CD I own by "Grant Green" on my computer play list; I went to sleep listening to Grant Green, I woke up just now Listening to Grant Green; just think of what I'll be able to do when I receive;"Grant Green: The Complete Quartets With Sonny Clark". I'll be able to re-live those glorious times when I saw him live. (he looked a lot different then) Lean, mean, Grant Green, with a head of thick black hair, playing his heart out; that man was born to pluck that guitar, I can hear it ringing in my ears. Music, music, sweet sweet music; it feeds my soul, it gets me through days like this when all of the "aficionados" are throwing rocks at me; I'm so hurt, they don't like me; well you know what, "My heart pumps purple panther piss for them" HA, HA, HA, HA. You know what, I haven't heard any "hard bop" in awhile, I think I'll see if "you tube" got "No Room For Squares", that means I can't take the rest of the "aficionados" with me because there ain't room; HA, HA, HA, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xcq_zg-Zw5kI bought this record brand new when it came out; it got 5 stars, and with a line up like this, it should have gotten 6 stars, but they only give 5; can you dig it Frogman? Every individual on this jam is a star in his own right. All I can say is; Enjoy the music. |
Frogman Junior, he didn't go to record, he went to perform at Benson's night club. When you learn how to use your computer, you'll be able to find facts like that. |
The exploiter could have made a lot more money, if he had taken better care of the "exploitee" Even a parasite knows that he must not do anything to harm the host; he must keep the host alive. In this case the exploiter wasn't too bright.
Super talented people don't fall out of trees, and there were people at Blue Note who could have, and would have been more productive if the "parasite" who didn't play one instrument had realized that the host must be kept alive.
It's better to ignore this post, than respond to it; does anyone remember "Before the beat, or after the beat"
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There are so many ramifications involved in this Grant Green "Bruha" that can not be proven; that it's foolish to continue one more minute; besides everybody that knows for sure is dead.
Please continue with whatever, and;
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Well Frogman, I'm glad you could squeeze in.
That's one of the best, if not the best "hard bop" record in my collection.
Since you have indicated that you are definitely a "connoisseur" of that genre, I'll see what else I can find.
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I saw "Ain't Misbehavin'" in St. Louis with a local cast; it was fantastic, the different cast was very energetic, and I enjoyed their performance to the max.
This original cast is one that can never be duplicated; it's the one all others will be compared with.
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"Fuego" in Spanish, means fire, and this album is smoking; where there's smoke, there's fire. This album was recorded on October 4, 1959, at Rudy's studio; needles to say, when speaking of recordings, there is only one "Rudy". We have discussed Donald Byrd many times, and in different genres. While the music was different, it was always good; he's the consummate musician. He never played anything but "jazz" for the period it lasted, and that was a long time. When times changed, he changed. Where I'm coming from is so many musicians had to play R&B when jazz was where there hearts were, a guy has got to make a living; Donald Byrd never had to play anything but jazz for that long period of time. Back to "Fuego"; this is "hard bop" at it's best, even when you can't precisely define it, you know it when you hear it, when you hear those polished notes emanating from Byrd's trumpet at a race horse pace, you know you are off to the races. He has a supporting cast of Jackie McLean, alto sax; Duke Pearson, piano; Doug Watkins, bass, and Lex Humphries, drums. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktAPvHQmHIcEnjoy the music. |
While Hampton Hawes was in prison, he met "Stymie" of Our Gang fame, he was in for drug addiction. Sonny Clark ODed while he was in prison; what a coincident that we are talking about "Sonny Clark", and I'm reading about Hampton Hawes stay in prison, who is reading where Sonny Clark done did it one time too many.
I was moved by the pardon JFK gave him; a humanitarian in the White House, that's hard to believe. Hampton was back out on the streets in LA before he realized he wasn't dreaming.
He was busted in order to get suppliers in LA, but when he didn't rat, they gave him ten years; "This'll teach you to squeal if we want you to squeal".
He has a really good autobiography that I will have to get, "Raise Up Off Me", and he had a successful career till he died. His story had a good ending; I'll have to get some of his records.
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Fellow "Aficionados" I'm trying to get a feel for the recordings made in 1960, 61 and 62. I'm not going to provide links for these recordings because if you are a jazz aficionado, they should be in your collection, just pull them out and give a listen. First I want to establish the jazz mood for that period of time, next I want you to compare that to these "Grant Green" albums that I ordered which were not released, and I want you to give me your honest evaluation in regard to the mood at that time in regard to jazz in general. The question is, were these albums by Grant Green so out of step, that you, yourself would not release them if that was your decision to make. Remember, you are not comparing this album to that album, but the general mood of the jazz buying public, that is the question you're trying to answer. Since we've recently had a heated debate about this, they (the debaters) probably think I'm trying to win an argument, when all I'm trying to do, is get some valid answers, and there is no better way to get them than to ask anyone who reads this thread for the answer. Since there is a possibility you haven't heard the Grant Green, Sonny Clark albums, I'll provide them for you to compare with other prominent jazz musicians who put out albums at about that time. Disc 1 "Airegin" (Sonny Rollins) - 7:32 "It Ain't Necessarily So" (Gershwin, Gershwin) - 10:22 "I Concentrate on You" (Porter) - 5:48 "The Things We Did Last Summer" (Cahn, Styne) - 5:56 "The Song Is You" (Hammerstein II, Kern) - 7:46 "Nancy (With the Laughing Face)" (Van Heusen, Silvers) - 6:25 "Airegin" [Alternative Take] - 7:37 "On Green Dolphin Street" (Kaper, Washington) - 6:26 "Shadrack" (MacGimsey) - 6:23 "What Is This Thing Called Love?" (Porter) - 5:50 Disc two "Moon River" (Mancini, Mercer) - 5:37 "Gooden's Corner" - 8:14 "Two for One" - 7:41 "Oleo" (Sonny Rollins) – 5:37 "Little Girl Blue" (Hart, Rodgers) – 7:15 "Tune-Up" (Eddie Vinson) – 7:19 "Hip Funk" (Green) – 8:39 "My Favorite Things" (Hammerstein II, Rodgers) – 8:32 "Oleo" [Alternative Take] - 6:00 Personnel[edit] Grant Green - guitar Miles Davis 1961 "Sketches of Spain" and "Someday My Prince Will Come" Art Blakey and the messengers Lee Morgan, Bobby Timmons, Bennie Golson, Jymie Merit "Moanin, Blues March, and Along came Betty." John Coltrane 1961 John Coltrane — soprano and tenor saxophone Eric Dolphy — bass clarinet, alto saxophone McCoy Tyner — piano Reggie Workman — bass Jimmy Garrison — bass Elvin Jones — drums Garvin Bushell — probably cor anglais (described wrongly in the disc notes as an oboe),[7] contrabassoon Ahmed Abdul-Malik — probably tanpura (described wrongly in the disc notes as an oud)[7] Roy Haynes — drums 1961 village vanguard recordings Yusef Lateef 1961 recordings Eastern sounds I'm going to provide links for songs you're familiar with like : "It ain't Necesarily So"; "On Green Dolphin Street" , and "My Favorite Things" by Grant Green and Sonny Clark. "It Ain't necessarily so" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vP1iyEUyHeI "On Green Dolphin Street" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgYNRz8y6R8 "MY Favorite Things" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTD-4AozN5oSince everyone knows I'm biased, I don't get to vote or make a statement in regard to this. The question is, do you think this album would be acceptable to the jazz buying public at that time. Enjoy the music. |
Hampton Hawes music was like a breath of fresh air; when I say that, I mean no stereotypical cliches.
A ten year prison sentence for a person who's on a self destruct mission, doesn't seem like a right bright thing to do by the judge, but that's the way it was. Since we have an epidemic at the moment, if they keep that up they are going to have to build a lot more prisons.
Heroin addiction is not a musician exclusive thing, and from what I've seen up close and personal, music has nothing to do with it. Contrary to popular belief, it never helped their performance, nor did they believe it would. They used heroin for the same reason all the rest of the addicts used heroin; to feel good. That is until "Ma jones comin down on me".
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Rok, you wont regret it. Naturally I have all those individual CD's, and Sonny Clark is on the way. Grant Green is not the only gifted musician on those CD's. There is a lot of genuine love and admiration among the musicians on these CD's; consequently they make cohesive, coherent music together.
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I haven't stopped laughing yet; every time I stop, I feel another chuckle coming on.
I picture Frogman burning the midnight oil by a small lamp, and it starts all over again.
"Flying off the shelves in Japan", I might never stop laughing.
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Frogman, Grant Green was issued in JAPAN, BUT NOT HERE, why can't you understand that? |
Rok, I don't know Grant Green the person, any more than you do, but I know Grant Greens music; it speaks to me. Out of all of Grant's music that I have ever heard; live and otherwise, I like "The Latin Bit" the least, it's just not him.
After I wrote that, I went to "Wikipedia" and this is what they had to say;
"This CD always yielded mixed results for staunch fans of Green"
Can you believe that?
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Frogman, I have that album, bought it when it came out. There has been a raging debate that Wes Montgomery was better before he became famous with the hit records he is known for, where were you? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1Xozvcf0FAThat is my favorite version of "Round Midnight" by Wes. Why don't you just "hang loose" instead of looking for a "T" that I didn't cross, or an "I" that I didn't dot. Enjoy the music. |
Quite often I have a story to tell that goes along with the music; there have been negative comments from "The peanut gallery" but that's the only comments they ever make, (haven't heard from them in awhile?) If anyone feels that I should just leave the stories at home, please say so.
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Don't you have to have some kind of clearance to get that CIA book? I was in a meeting, and a wire or something came in and they told me I had to leave the room; only people with security clearances could stay. They told them the Vietnam war had started; the next day it was in the news paper, and I couldn't stop laughing.
If the recording quality is as good as those last CD's we got, I want that.
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Rok, if you and Frogman gave me some of that KOOL AID yall been drinkin, there's no telling what I might hear; I might even be able to hear some classical music from a tribe of pygmies in the jungle.
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Alex, I was listening to "South Side Soul", and thinking about the hippest, coolest, multiethnic neighborhood that ever existed on the planet; 63rd and Cottage Grove was it's center. I don't know what this CD sounds like to someone who wasn't there, but to someone who was, it's one of the best in their collections; that's because they start reminiscing about 'that' South Side.
Although there were so many different ethnic dishes to get there, that I can't remember them all, there are two I will never forget, and those are Bar-B-Q, and Pizza. My mouth waters just trying to recall the ribs, or the pizza; as common as pizza is, how could one be so unforgettable that I can still remember it after all these years. Nothing is more common than Bar-B-Q ribs, but when they are ever so tender, and smoked to the bone, with a sauce that was made in heaven; you can never forget them. Nobody had to tell you when you were getting close to the rib joint; that scent of Bar-B-Q on the smoke pit a block away told your future; "Not too long now".
This neighborhood only existed for a short period of time; there is nothing left to prove it was ever there, almost all of the famous jazz musicians trod those streets to entertain: Dinah Washington, lived in that neighborhood; Bird, Miles, Clifford Brown entertained there; Ahmad Jamal at the Pershing was recorded there; I'm talking about an area so small, that a car would be a hindrance.
The Pershing Lounge, where Ahmad Jamal played, was on 64th and Cottage Grove; we lived near 65th and Cottage Grove. Almost every night, I would don one of my cousin's best sport coats and stroll Cottage Grove (I was a teenager then). The Walgreens at 63rd and Cottage, had a soda fountain where all the cutest girls stopped; and guess what?
Lou Rawls sings a lot about this neighborhood; remember the song about the guy with one woman too many, that setting was in this neighborhood.
I just remembered that I queried on a previous post in regard to sharing my memories; there is a possibility that I repeat; there is a possibility that you heard this one before; if you're tired of my stories, say so.
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This Grant Green "Bruha" produced some of the best music I have ever heard, and as Rok said; "It's got me spending money".
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Frogman, you find out for sure, that's fine with me, but there is far more good music that I don't have in my collection for me to bother.
When you find out for sure, please let me know, and I will accept your findings as the last word.
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This is one of the tunes that was on my play list today "Erica" by John Handy; it's on the LP "Where Go The Boats", that came out in 78. I think it's a beautiful tune, that would befit a beautiful lady named "Erica". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IZb8AJQ7acEnjoy the music. |
I've been comparing the quality of what we got with what the "analogers" got, and I'm having a hard time being able to tell the difference. I've got both on my play list. One thing is for certain, those CD's you got are better than my original LP's. The analogers will have to buy special LP's to better the new CD's, not to mention a minimum of 1K for a cartridge.
Times when my pockets were that deep are history, consequently it's moot in regard to the analog side, but we know for sure, that CD's can be as good.
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I keep forgetting that I'm one of the Poobahs.
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Rok, that is one classy lady, and her picture is also in Nica's book. I remember that hair style; she was one classy lady her entire life, that's why we didn't hear about her.
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Here is my opinion on John Coltrane. He was so talented, and so good, that it became easy for him to produce some of the best sounds anybody ever heard. When it became easy, he couldn't believe it, he thought he had to practice and work; that's what he did to get that good, it's time to just let his "God Given" talent take command and coast.
Every "candid" photo I ever saw of Trane, even when he was supposed to be having a drink and enjoying the company of other musicians, at Nica's pad, that sax was next to him; he even went to sleep in a chair, with that sax laying across him.
I had been admiring my friends music for 6 years before that summer he came to my apartment. The first time he performed when he was there, I was astounded at the new music. No he never practiced that summer, but each time, the music was different and the response from the audience was overwhelming. After the performance, he never asked me what I thought; although one look at me while he was performing told him anything he wanted to know about what I thought. "Where are we going to get a good bowl of chili?" was his opening conversation.
What I'm saying, is that after Trane got so good that it was unnecessary for him to practice, he kept on; he kept trying to improve something that needed no more improvement. Case in point, I'm making chili and I got it just right; but I decide to add a little more salt to make it "Mo better", and guess what?
I'm not the only person who says Trane went to far out before he died; but since Frogman plays the sax, I'm sure he understood Trane's every last note, but I didn't.
Now it's super absurd, to say that a person who had not played for a year did not need to practice; but how much practice does a performing improvising jazz musician need? I say that practice could take away some of the "instantaneous" improvisation required of a musician who is playing Trane's kind of jazz, which was the exact same kind of jazz my friend was playing.
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Why does this "stereotypical" jazz sound so good to everybody but me. It might have sounded good at that time, but I can live without now. Rok I can understand why that wasn't released.
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Rok, that was even better than my definition; are you running for "Grand Poobah"?
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My friend did not drink or party, and my wild hormones seemed to amuse him. If you have read any of the jazz musicians autobiographies, you know how unusual their lives are. I was mostly on sick leave while he was staying in my apartment, so I had all the time in the world and there was nothing I liked more than to hear about his adventures as a working jazz musician. After all the days business, what ever he had to do, and what ever I had to do; it was time for; "And then what happened"?
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Good question Acman; it's when some of the very best jazz musicians don't have anything original to play, and they just get together and play a bunch of well worn familiar jazz "cliches" and then they call it "jammin". JATP is well known for this; they assembled Charley Parker, Miles Davis, Mingus and every other Who's who in jazz, and told them what and how to play, but as long as the check was good, who cared.
When you hear this kind of music, you say to yourself, "I think I've heard that or something like it before"
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