Jazz for aficionados

Attention! Elevator is coming down! Anybody going on the tenth floor?

//I don’t think we’re allowed to dislike anything in this thread. I like Zappa. //

I think it’s more the matter of respect and acknowledgement that is required or let’s just say, desirable. If this is shown in a proper way, disliking is bearable.

Wow, haven't heard Dylan's - It Takes a Lot to Laugh, It Takes a Train to Cry in this combination...

That reminds me of...

https://youtu.be/AUU1mdn-btc

Guys, I do not post much (can’t say much about jazz, I may only paste few announcements of what I am listenin’ at that very moment) but I am following your postings often. Each of your postings. And I appreciate the contribution of Each of you here. And I do not see here any deliberate intention nor someone’ s obvious desire to deliberately undermine the opinions/stories/preferences from others. If that by any chance happens, one can always apologize. However, criticism, making fun of, jokes, ironies are most welcomed, at least in my book. But without the insults on personal level. If we have a will to do the things right, I think we can do whatever we want.

Moving to Norway where summer days are longer...

Norwegian jazz saxophonist
~Jan Garbarek (age 72)

Jazz composer and theorist George Russell, described Jan as “the most original voice in European jazz since Django Reinhardt”.

The Guardian:
"ECM's founder, Manfred Eicher, used Garbarek to establish the cliche of Nordic jazz being icily exotic and romantically gloomy, using tons of reverb and echo to suggest that Garbarek was playing up against a Norwegian fjord. In fact, on 1976's Dis, Eicher did actually record him playing against a Norwegian fjord – you can hear Garbarek blowing into a wind harp as the North Sea laps in the background."

~~~☆~~~

Jan Garbarek - "Hasta Siempre"
https://youtu.be/T5KYZ2F9IRs

Jan Garbarek - "Brother Wind March"
https://youtu.be/Mjgr9UJuODM

Jan Garbarek has said that he seeks to make his playing “fit the tone, texture and temperament of the music. It’s about finding a common language.”

If I am to be banned for this, I want you to know that I loved you all.

Speaking of Buddy Rich and drummers... 

"And, you know, I think the original recording of Ravel's Bolero, probably whoever played percussion on that, will never have it played better than that."  (Buddy Rich)

 ~ Philip Howie on the drum performance in Ravel's Bolero ~

The first minute or so is incredibly nerve-wracking. You’re playing close to the limit of your ability - literally as quietly as you can play. Each stroke must be carefully controlled, because it will be obvious to everyone if one doesn’t sound properly.

Somewhere around the third or fourth woodwind solo, you start to relax a little. You’re playing at a comfortable - if still very quiet - dynamic, and you’re still feeling fairly fresh and alert. At the same time, you’re constantly questioning your playing. You’re intensely aware that once you’ve increased your dynamic, you can’t go backwards, and you’ve got a long way to go. You don’t get a lot of help from the conductor.

Several minutes of tedium follow. Here, the challenge is to stay focused on the music. Your mind starts to drift. It’s very easy to lose concentration and realize halfway through a bar that you have no idea whether you should be playing the first or the second bar of the repeating pattern. The conductor ignores you completely.

Somewhere around the seven or eight minute mark, you notice that your nose is itching. Or there’s something in your shoe. Or the hall is really hot and you’re starting to sweat uncomfortably. Or you have a touch of cramp in your leg. Or your left stick isn’t in the perfect position in your hand. There’s literally nothing you can do about it, and you still have five minutes of this to go. You spend at least a minute trying not to think about it.

Into the closing minutes though, something else takes over. You’re no longer playing within that comfortable dynamic range, in which you spend 98% of your playing life. The music is starting to get really LOUD. Your technique is being tested in a different direction. You may have a lot more company than in those opening few bars - and even a friendly second drummer - but you’re once again feeling incredibly exposed.

The last two bars of the piece are the most terrifying part of the whole experience, because you have a rest of about a beat and a half. For the first time since you started the piece (about an hour and a half ago, by your recollection) you are not the one in control, and whether or not you land that final downbeat with the rest of the orchestra is entirely in the hands of the conductor.

Your colleagues in the percussion section gently pry your sticks out of your grasp and turn you round to face the rapturous applause. You’ve joined an elite group. You feel drawn out and used. It was worth it.

"Why all the angst?" Precisely my point. That’s a damn good message you’re sending acman.

"There will always be something to learn and there will always be things about art that we don’t understand or can relate to. I see it as room for growth, not for shutting doors; and, that doesn’t mean that we then have to stay in that particular room." That’s true frogman. Great post by the way.

"You are correct about the guys at Lincoln Center. That’s why they are so important. They can play the old good stuff sometimes even better than it was in the past. They are better schooled musicians, have better recording technology, and a master arranger. They keep it alive." True.

"We welcome you with open arms David. That's a marvelous beginning; remember, we are all still learning, there is no end to this journey." Could not agree more O-10.

pjw, I am glad you liked Jan.

Thank you schubi, girls are lovely! 

Haven’t heard of Badi Assad before, fro. Very interesting lady with a guitar. Will do some research to hear more of her music. I might try to steal some moves from her. ;--) Thank you for that.

p.s.
Great Grant Green links

Thanks O10, thanks fro.

Adios para siempre.

Schubert, as Rok once said: you all take this too serious.

Imagine husband and wife living together for 40 years. Do you really think (I am sure you do not) that they managed through the years without saying once a while really "bad" things to each other? But that does not mean that they do not like each other.

We all have are daily worries that twist our behaviour on daily basis. You accept it and move on. You are not less of a man if you show it. I am not going to judge you based on one post. I might be (if!) annoyed but will surely not judge you.

Also, if we do not react always on your posts that does not mean that we did not see it nor that we do not like it.

Peace with you man.

p.s.
If you were thinking on something else but not on leaving, never mind, you can still read this if needed. ;-)

...me like it acman

Plus, handsome boy that Leon...

;-)

p.s.
In case anyone would look for me, you know were to find me:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui0EgRsFVN8

pjw, your story is not overlooked, it is just that it is hard to answer on the story like that. Imagine two people who have gone through life tragedies. They sit next to each other in silence. They say nothing to each other but they understand all. Sometimes, no word can match that.

I agree with fro and schubi.
You should be proud of your dad.

Not that long ago you spoke about guys in the USA military. I am not here to judge anyone, we all know what almost every war is about or what eventually turns out of each war. If it's not the defense for the bare life that caused you to participate, it's mostly because of the politics on the highest level that pulled you in just to use you for the interest of the few, often painted over with the questionable morality and carefully coated with the false fight for democracy. 

However, there are things like duty towards one's country which one has to respect. As the soldier on duty, you are there to do for what you are sent for. You are not there to question nor one man’s authority nor nation goals nor to ask questions in general even though you probably have them. So I am talking here about these guys. The soldiers with the questions that every single human being should have if facing a war in any form.

I attended a wedding ceremony not that while ago. It was small intimate ceremony. A small group was from Croatia and the other, bigger one, was of active soldiers from USA Air force, some of them with highest rankings in the service. Bride was Croatian but also serving military in USA. Needless to say, that I was actually in Croatia but felt like I was in the USA military base all the way through. But what strike my attention, were the manners of these USA guys. I haven’t seen that before. Not in that amount. And they did not play it, they were like that. As it is expected from the host, I wanted to show our hospitality, so was trying to be at the everyone’s service all the time but these guys excelled me. They were modest, polite, careful, helpful. Towards everyone with no exceptions. Showed me that I did not have to do anything but enjoy the ceremony. I was fascinated. Sadly, they were all married.

I am curious to know the names of the jazz players with the best manners…who that would be?

I do not know schubert, it could be or not, haven't asked them. As for the Naval Seal weddings or any long wedding ceremony, I am not quite into that, if somebody close to me asks me to attend, will join the party because I was kindly asked to, but can't say that I will be crazy about it (but that's a nice occasion to wear beautiful dress though). The Little Neon Chapel in Vegas, starting from $39 and 15 min of ceremony would suit me more. Advanced version includes Elvis as a priest. But I am not that advanced. 

O-10, can’t place my opinion there, do not know how the situation is at USA, can guess though but true insight is out of my reach. Here in Croatia things has been quite different till while ago. Free health care for all, free education, lot’s of possibilities to work, etc. In some way that has changed lately plus possibilities for work got limited. Many young people are moving out of country in order to get a better paid job. I can consider myself lucky since my on-line work spreads from tourism till web development, videography, etc, etc...When you do things on-line, you are less dependent on the place of work.

"Sorry about your dilemma Mary-Jo; if I were physically and financially able, I would come and join you."
I appreciate it, but my intention was to sound ironic, you know, when people come to Vegas, they are full of expectations and dreams. Eventually many of them end up Moanin’...

"From the very beginning, conversation on this thread has varied and I have no objection to that, but I know Frogman has wanted to limit the discussion to music."

Imho, prefer mix, little bit of that, litle bit of that. This reminds me that I have to check on Michael Brecker what fro suggested and get back to work. ;--)

Wish you nice day 0-10!

O-10 would say now: Well, all you can do now is: ’Moan’

"Btw, Kennedy is the biggest myth in the world...."

"What did he do for black people, Nothing. He just acted like he liked them. That’s all it took. So easy."

True. I see it that way too. Marketing.

Movie The Butler.
Although it does not end in a way how I would picture it. BO being unknown and just elected as the president (the colour of his skin does not make him instantly good) and main character being able to walk in the WH building through the main gate for the first time is just not enough to deliver the message - ok, all is well and achieved now. Clumsy closure or shall I say, little bit of marketing/politics again.

"Lyndon Baines Johnson, LBJ, did more for black people than any president since Lincoln."

You are not talking about the one that escalated the war in Vietnam, are you?

By the way, I am still in Vegas. Naturally, I spent all my money. Will work for food.

Schubi, I was just about to quote you but you deleted the post. I agree with dropping off the subject. 

"Than again, I dont think that anybody in particular is interested for that story either, so no need to go in depth of explanations who hated who and why (that goes to Mary Jo)".

I haven’t noticed that I went into depths. It would take at least several pages for just to scratch the surface. The matter was shortly mentioned so I answered the same. I can’t determine if one is interested in finding out the truth or not. But can’t ignore the false statements and have to bring out the facts. Period.

Rok, nope, none of that. The death of T only made it faster to happen. But that was not the cause. The destiny of SSSR had nothing to do with it either since SSSR and SFRY were two completely different countries in many, many ways.To put it more clear, similarities between them were minor.

"The tensions were always there."
So were in Africa because Africa is rich in natural resources. We were rich in something else.
I think you get my point.

"Btw, people in your part of the world have been fighting and hating forever. Til this day."

Rok, I could tell you who was working hard to break the former SFRY, what eventually has lead to  war on this area in the year 1991. But will not. Take a guess.

Before Rok decides to start any war, can someone post some jazz? :--) ;--) 

Alex, war is indeed sometimes the only solution (unfortunately) and is definitely in human nature (again unfortunately). Remember what had to happen to gain liberté, égalité, fraternité. Remember also what happen afterwards. The big R eats it’s kids. Humans (what a nice word to call a man) are doomed.

Embrace foolishness before it embraces you.

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It must have been something in the wine today...

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Lotus Land - Kenny Burrell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0w5amYH7NeM

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pjw...don't be so biting...

"This could be a good place to start.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-YIYX3GWtQ"

This was indeed bloody division but it does not represent all Muslims so this is not good place to start.

You do not seem like a guy that would easily get under the influence of propaganda, so I am counting on that when telling you that during the past, all nations on this part of Balkan were striving to unite. Constantly.
Especially we all got along very well after the WWII. Croats, Serbs, Muslims, Slovenes, Albanians, Macedonians, Montenegrins. All. In fact, we even were quite tolerant to the people who were persecuted in many parts of the Europe - Romani (tzigane, gypsies). And we were progressive country in so many ways.

Today, we are something else. I do not recognize my people any more. And this is why admire this what fro have written, ’cause it shows what some people still have. The qualities that make us human. Humanity.

"Re moving on:

In 1994 I toured Japan with a major American symphony orchestra. One month performing in every major city in the country and the first of eight visits so far to that very interesting nation. The last stop was Hiroshima and the first time any of the musicians had visited the city. Shallow minded that we all were at the time we braced ourselves for what we thought would be the inevitable prejudice and antagonism due to the obvious reason. The reception that we received collectively and individually was incredible. The level of appreciation for the performances and general warmth and generosity on a personal level are something I will never forget. Quite a lesson."

It is quite a lesson. Beautiful post. Thank you.

Will do now. Thank you schubi.

I am not in "Just a sampling"...juhuu...

"The Frogman is, as usual, the voice of reason. He is our guru in many ways. The way to stop this, is to just stop. I stop now.

Back to Jazz."

Well said. Agree.

"I see now that, sensitive and enlightened individuals that we all are, we have changed minds and viewpoints and made progress toward a better world."

Well noticed.

O-10, I wish you well too.

Thanks pjw. Peppe is one of my favourite jazz players. https://youtu.be/5utT5yiQAOo

Lazy summer has reached us
Eager to please us with the sun
Who did not choose to enjoy
Will wait for another to come

The waiting is for fools
And for some among us
Better not be a fool
Better stay in the summer

PP in the mood for rational poetry.

Charlie in the summer mood.

Charlie Parker - Summertime
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7CHDscLREk

For O-10:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4_CX-KAZ6Q

For fro:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUN3EAtBeko

For pjw:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YN6pxclc-F0

For acman:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XvJFW0DHbU

For schubi:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yaxu4qEXDJs

For nsp:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIu87qCZnJ4

For Rok:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_uwE0WkM7Y

For Alex:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yURyGKZ6oAY

For others:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmDDOFXSgAs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oP-vD4ScAGA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4rXEKtC8iY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC9E-Lii8-M

"What you say is true, 0-10, but the game is over, we lost. End of story."

Yep. The End.

Forgot to say. Good Morning everyone! It is morning here so it has to be everywhere. It is veeeery sunny day and it is Alex's birthday.

Happy birthday kid! Do not worry about the numbers, you are so young and beautiful!

I am sending you my support. Hang in there!

;---) 

Lol, I wonder how he will take this. Will he laugh or try to strangle me?

You are all tough cookies, I'll say.
I am very glad you are all ok.

This is jazz:

"In the summer noon,
Like a winter night,
A silence,
A hush prevails.

The doves cooing,
A meditative still;
Time slackens,
Planted in stirrups.

The world heeds its heart,
Hearing judgement on death and life.
A smile imbues the air
Like someone hears the Rabab*( *bowed string Instrument)
.... in sleep.

And I alone
Lost in thought
Set out in search
Of my longing ....
A lost,
Helpless
Sojourner
Wandering
Lying on the ground,
I tread the sky.

I too have lent my heart an ear,
To find some purpose or scheme to life;
Some cause for pain and death,
And the grain of my conscious in eternity.

Lost in the ocean ...
Of how and why " .....

- Ghani Khan

Glad to see you pryso. 

pjw, those are all great stuff from Peppe, love it.
I found few quite interesting stories about him. Wife Laurie describes her marriage with Pepper: “That marriage was the making of me,” says Laurie. “Some people go to grad school or join the Marines. I married a genius who valued and inspired me and challenged me to use MY gifts. We had a difficult, powerful partnership. I had to tell that story.”

Thank you pryso!

So no to "Beneath the Underdog" and yes to "Straight life"...

Those are nice links Peppe & Cables, pjw.

As for the "Straighf life", I already had in mind to look for it and to read it although I am not a fan of "based on the true story" books. Being aware of the fact that there is a thin line between fiction and nonfiction, I would constantly ask myself the question: was this truly real or not...?

Wonderful postings guys...I just love it

"I have to see a definitive cut of the film before I even start thinking about the music, I tell the director what my feelings are and what I would like to do. He accepts what I say or discusses it or destroys it. Eventually, we have to find a compromise." E.M.

From nytimes:

"To many cineastes, Maestro Morricone was a unique talent, composing melodic accompaniments to comedies, thrillers and historical dramas by Bernardo Bertolucci, Pier Paolo Pasolini, Terrence Malick, Roland Joffé, Brian De Palma, Barry Levinson, Mike Nichols, John Carpenter, Quentin Tarantino and other filmmakers."

La Califfa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8MFX6W4O2c

L’estasi dell’Oro
Song taken from "The Good, the Bad, the Ugly", performed in Venice and directed by Ennio Morricone himself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3IlqY1CbI0

The Good the Bad and the Ugly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1PfrmCGFnk

The Good, the Bad and the Ugly - The Final Duel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJCSNIl2Pls

For a few dollars More
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtblCZQXRsA

Once Upon A Time In The West
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mMd6D1Gw1g

Ennio Morricone 
receiving Oscar...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJDN1e_OIKw

Some news are not sad. They are real. Long and prosperous life. Something one could wish for.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/06/movies/ennio-morricone-dead.html

"They’re all my children... every score I’ve done." E.M.

Thank you Mr. Ennio Morricone, for all your children.

This one tops my list very often...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J0ZpJMQjDo
"My Little Brown Book"

I am so predictable...

This has been posted, well, for who knows how many times but it does not matter, 'cause I like Higgins too... 'You must believe in spring'  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd7jpCiycrc 

Embraceable You - Eddie Higgins with Scott Hamilton
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XCoUf-zXqA

You

schubi, we are two predictable ones and we feel good about it! 

Besides, magnificent melodies have both, predictable and unpredictable parts.

pjw, that sounds really nice. I think I can picture you walking around the house...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkY_zTKzPCY

And again...

Again...

Again...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCQfTNOC5aE

Pity, I do not have quite many memories like that...but since my job often brings me to Vienna (Wien) in Austria, I have visited there Schubert’s Geburtshaus (the house where he was born) and a house where Mozart used to live (he lived on several addresses in Wien). At the places like that you should not touch anything, I mean, you can watch it but it is not allowed to touch it...
I could not resist no to lay my hand on the famous piano and was moving slowly with the hand over it’s top, while walking forward...like kids do. Felt good.

https://youtu.be/_mVW8tgGY_w

p.s.
O-10 and Rok are missing. I wonder if those two are actually one person. (?) *.* :--)