Rok, now you're getting the hang of things; a musician, is a musician, is a musician whether he's in Kathmandu or New York, they're a special breed. No matter what instrument I pick up it begins to make noise the instant I touch it. Those guys were born with something special. Remember my best friends brother, and the next door neighbor; brother taught school until he retired, while the neighbor became a musician who made music for the people. I never even heard brother play; it seems he was more fond of traveling, skiing, sailing, and doing all the things his education and teaching salary enabled him to do, than he was of making music. There was some boss improvisation going on there. Let's keep things in this same groove for awhile. How about a little blues from the east; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UI2PvbAGNBc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPVlWIwSqYIThis one has beautiful photos to go with the music; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlmpMnHEstMI have beautiful photos of the lady who plays koto with Hiroshima from when they were in St. Louis. Enjoy the music. |
I said it once and I'll say it again, "There was a jazz explosion in the late 50's, early 60's"; every time I think I've got all the killers from that time, somebody comes up with a killer I don't have. This "After Hours" ranks with the best I've ever heard; except for the one "Satin Doll", a stripper, used to open her act, but maybe the scenery had a lot to do with that version, "Play it again Sam".
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You can't win em all; although Bags and Trane is a killer, I must have bought it when it came out, and you finally came up with a Mingus I could live without, but that goes for almost all of our favorite artists.
You going in one direction, and me going in another is working out just fine for me; I'm adding old killers that I thought I had, while at the same time we're both discovering new music, which is what it's all about.
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Rok, "Stereo Review" is much better when it comes to jazz. They recommended Flip Phillips's "Try a Little Tenderness" album; he's an artist we'll have to peruse. I'll get back to you after I've gone through the magazines I can find. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6e3-L8-qrQEnjoy the music. |
Alex, that jazz blues fusion was one of a kind, what a "hodge podge"; it certainly evokes mixed emotions. T- Bone Walker was as much a showman, as he was a blues artist. There no doubt about "Little Walter" being the king of the blues harpist; here he is on "My Babe" which was one of his biggest hits. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3cKJ42HAd0Enjoy the music. |
Rok, each day I'm being made aware of how many killers I don't have. Besides being prolific, Mingus is one of the most unusual composers. Frogman's opinion would carry the most weight in regard to the question of whether or not Ellington is the most important composer; that's because my opinion is purely subjective, while he views it from a historical, as well as a musicians point of view. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB6GkA54n_QThis is about as original as you can get. Enjoy the music. |
I don't know if I've told this story on this thread before, I don't like to repeat, so let me know if I have.
I was in a funereal limousine on the way to the cemetery, in Miles hometown, and there had been a long silence until somebody mentioned "Miles Davis". That was when a lively conversation about his music ensued.
Out of the clear blue, the grieved widow piped in, "I remember Miles, he was that little dark skinned kid who was always trying to blow the trumpet".
After that, total silence all the way to the cemetery.
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Frogman, they were so complete there was nothing to debate or dispute. I appreciate your efforts in getting us such a thorough disposition on the subject. Although I'm subjectively in the "Mingus camp", a question of this magnitude requires the objectivity and historical perspective you gave it, and since Mingus agreed with you, we can call that case closed.
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Rok, Juilliard is giving a concert titled "Lightning, Thunder and Fire" in honor of our impeccable taste on this thread. The Juilliard Jazz Ensembles explore the music of Clifford Brown, Max Roach and Art Blakey. It is hard to overestimate the importance of drummers Art Blakey and Max Roach in the mid-’50s expansion of the jazz idiom. Of the components that are central to jazz, rhythmic acuity ranks as highly as the ability to improvise, and both Roach and Blakey were ace timekeepers who expanded jazz rhythms by introducing myriad subtleties—some melodic—into the timekeeper’s art. Both were also bandleaders at a time when it was still a novelty for drummers to be calling the shots. The seminal ensembles they assembled in the ’50s, both of which advanced jazz’s stature on the world stage, are the subject of Lightning, Thunder and Fire: The Sophistication of the Clifford Brown-Max Roach Quintet and Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers. This concert by the Juilliard Jazz Ensembles takes place on December 9 in Paul Hall under the direction of guitarist and faculty member Rodney Jones and guest coach Valery Ponomarev. Moscow-born trumpeter Ponomarev played with Blakey for many years, as did Wynton Marsalis (’81, trumpet), the director of Juilliard Jazz, who joined the Jazz Messengers at the age of 19.
Juilliard Jazz Ensembles
Tuesday, December 9, 8:00pm
Lightning, Thunder and Fire: The Sophistication of the Clifford Brown-Max Roach Quintet and Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers with guest coach Valery Ponomarev
What made both groups so groundbreaking will be evident in the evening’s repertoire, which gets at the development of jazz as a composer’s music. The idiom’s modernist movement, called bebop, was still in full swing when both groups were making their first recordings in 1954-55, but where the modern jazzers of the late ’40s were often building on the harmonies of earlier popular songs by songsmiths like Cole Porter or Jerome Kern, Roach and Blakey were part of a wave that encouraged the composition of burnished tunes that were jazz-specific both rhythmically and harmonically. As a result, the term bebop was soon supplanted by the seemingly unyielding title hard bop, a nickname that suggested an entire scene of likeminded individuals doubling down on bluesy grooves. In the December 9 concert, jazz’s maverick streak is revisited during the Roach half of the evening, as the ensemble plots the distance between the Brown-Roach Quintet’s historic re-evaluation of Porter’s “I Get A Kick Out Of You”—a 1934 pop tune the fivesome stretched to the breaking point—and its introduction of “Joy Spring,” a lilting piece composed by the group’s co-bandleader, the trumpeter Clifford Brown.
Though Blakey and Roach enjoyed long, prolific careers, the half of the concert devoted to Blakey’s work reveals a key difference between the two icons. The Brown-Roach Quintet met an abrupt end in 1956 with the tragic car accident that killed Clifford Brown and pianist Richie Powell, but Blakey (one of whose nicknames was Thunder—hence the title of the concert) turned the Jazz Messengers into one of the most enduring small-group concepts in jazz, energized by the steady stream of young talent he handpicked until his own death in 1990. The ensemble functioned as a jazz finishing school before there were jazz education programs, which explains why the tunes selected for the December 9 concert (among them saxist Benny Golson’s “Along Came Betty,” trumpeter Lee Morgan’s “Kofo’s Waltz,” and Wayne Shorter’s “Sincerely Diana”) are among the first classics written by a veritable who’s who of musicians who penned them as Jazz Messengers; all of them would later become icons in their own right. Nurtured by one of the greatest talent enablers in jazz history, they came by their sophistication in a way that many would agree no longer exists.
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Rok, you rushed to judgment on "Love Bug"; while Reuben Wilson's organ imparts "soul jazz", Grant Green, and Lee Morgan impart nothing less than their best, which as always is good jazz; they did more than lend their names. This album is most certainly worthy of my collection.
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Rok, both of those questions are deferred to Frogman, because I thought the guy was a gal, and I never heard of a coach at a concert; this ain't basketball, that let's you know how much I know.
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Rok, you seem to have a very faulty memory when it comes to race and the south in the 50's. Do you remember what happened to Emmett Till for "Reckless eyeballing" in Money, MS when he was 14? While you're learning about Mingus's music, you have very little knowledge about Mingus the person; he held his tongue for no one, and if he had gone south, everyone knew that he would have come back in a pinebox.
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Zephyr, maybe it's time for some "political truth" on this forum. While I've done my best to sidestep controversy, when it gets totally out of alignment, somebody has to straighten it out; carry on.
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Alex, I want to thank you for imparting some "political truth" to this forum; jazz musicians couldn't make a living without Europe, and Japan; I was told this by "Frank Gant", a jazz drummer.
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Rok, I understand where you're coming from in regard to "soul jazz", and while it may not be worthy of you're collection, it's still good music. Although I may or may not decide it's worthy of my collection at this stage, I'll refrain from criticism. This is the holiday season, and I think we should lighten up on the "jest".
BTW, "Carol of the Bells" hit my "holiday sweet spot".
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Acman, I'm sorry about Mr. Wilson. After your post with "Lighthouse Blues", I realized his kind of "Pacific Jazz" is just what I'm looking for to fill that void of what we called "West Coast Jazz". I've also discovered, his arrangements with young new musicians is also acceptable with me, for example; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-sAl1m5cHAWhile the trumpet player is not "Fats Navaro", or Diz, he's getting there, and Gerald Wilson's music makes him all right with me. Enjoy the music. |
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Frogman, although it's possible Dave Burns is on some of my albums, I don't recall the name. Here's a real nice clip by Dave that indicates how good he was; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmeKhae2SKIEnjoy the music. |
Rok, that's got to be the the best "Jazz Messenger" group ever; Lee Morgan and Benny Golson were at the top of their game along with the rest of the group, I had to look and play that one twice.
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Rok, this country has gone downhill all over; I lived in St. Louis city for over 30 years and I loved it. Now it's an insane asylum without walls, and I don't blame the inmates; they're doing whatever it takes to survive. Now I live in the burbs, but I got next to nothing for the house I enjoyed for over 30 years when I sold it. Unfortunately I know the reasons for this decline, and that makes it even worse; but don't blame us, they (Washington DC) run it while we run around in it.
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Learsfool, my opinion in regard to Frank and Mel, is pretty much the same as yours; I don't get overly excited about either vocalist, but that goes for the majority of male vocalist.
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Thanks for the thought Greyhound; almost but not quite, although that one cut was quite interesting.
My tastes are closer to the ancient stuff straight out of the Bush.
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Alex, if it works for you, it works for me; I'll still respond to your posts.
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Rok, if absolutely nothing was labeled, we would discover that we like a lot of things we're not supposed to like.
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Rok, just as sure as the sun sets in the west and rises in the east, I could have predicted your post. Do whatever floats your boat.
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Frogman, I put "Random Abstract" by Branford into the player, and that's just how it sounded, both random and abstract, and that also describes my musical day so far, I'm sure tomorrow will be better.
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Frogman, jukeboxes was the publics first exposure to high end audio; this lasted until they switched to SS; before, they had tubes and high quality cartridges.
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Frogman, go to preview first before you submit your post; they come up with multiple choices.
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Frogman, it didn't take long to wear that first LP out and I had to buy another one, keep it going.
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Acman, I'm glad you took the argument head on because all of your recent posts have been quite original. Something stuck in my my mind from a past post, but let's call that irrelevant.
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Frogman, I'm dealing with some urgent issues at the moment, but I will get back to you in regard to Billy Bang and "Chan Chan".
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Acman, never heard of Ronald Shannon Jackson, or "Yugo Boy", but I thought it was boss.
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The soloing on Moanin' by Morgan and Timmons is just awesome! Those are the details we tend to forget. Morgan is one of my favorite trumpet players. I love the way he bends notes. My next favorite was Blues Walk. On most of my records, it's the aggregate contributions of the individuals that make the whole album. That's true on this record as well, except on the cut "Search For The New Land", it, the composition takes center stage, and the musicians become actors playing their parts in a play. This music was way ahead of it's time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfrJmye2jus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1CilMzT55MFrogman, A professional jazz musician lived in my apartment for 3 months and he never practiced. I wont mention his name because every time it's mentioned, some clown pops out of the woodwork with garbage. In regard to,"If I don't practice for a day, I know it. If I don't practice for two days, the critics know it. And if I don't practice for three days, the audience knows it". For an entire summer, I chauffeured him and his lady friend to gigs at least 3 times a week. We were only at the apartment long enough to take care of the necessities of life, the rest of the time we were on a set, or digin a set. What astounded me more than anything, was when we arrived an hour before show time, and he was introduced to musicians he had never played with before. They would talk this musical gibberish, that meant absolutely nothing to me, "All right Mac, when I come in on the... and hit a chord on the piano, point to the drummer who seemed to know what he was talking about and go "Wham bang". They would do this for an hour, while I watched in fear of every thing turning out lousy. When they played as if they had been together for years, I was all ways truly astonished. Those performances never failed to mesmerize yours truly. Each performance was uniquely different from the last one. I had surgery that summer, and he entertained me during my recuperation time, with stories about his life as a professional jazz musician; that was an unforgettable summer. Rok, Frogman is referring to the summer that my friend the professional musician lived in my apartment. He never practiced or expressed the desire to practice, not only that, but an organ would not have fitted in my apartment. (he played organ since childhood in church) Since he was playing three gigs a week of hard driving improvisational jazz, he didn't even know what he was going to play, it's for certain there was no need for him to practice. I drove him to every gig ( still had the infamous duece), and was mesmerized on each set. The intensity of the music (The dynamic range of live organ can never be recorded) was in stark contrast to him playing with his eyes closed and a sublime look on his face. As you stated, the "No practice" was a straw-man, it's for certain no one could get to that level of proficiency without practicing. I understand Frogmans wishes and desires in regard to old and new music, but it is what it is, although when it comes to live music, you have to like what you can get; that's your only option. Frogman, I'm saying the same thing in both posts; "he never practiced during the summer he lived in my apartment". These are posts from the past that I decided to revive. Enjoy the music. |
Frogman, if this was a military operation, I would consider you second in command, and expect you to grab the BS posts by the horns.
When I spend time and effort researching material to move this conversation forward, and plumbing the depths of significant posts, only to have it all ignored while everyone goes off on a BS post that's not even related to this thread; I find that awfully disconcerting.
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Frogman, I see that you are giving direction, and guidance; that is good. Just as a good musician will not play a BS solo, I have no intention of participating in a BS thread. When this thread gets back to it's original purpose and quality of posts, I will return.
I like the quality of your posts Rok, they're constantly improving.
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Rok, "I'll Take You There"; this belongs in the category of good music.
"Disco Lady"; those were the days my friend, I thought they would never end.
"Rocksteady"; time to get on the dance floor.
"Do You Think I'm Sexy"; those disco days were a blast.
"Passion"; this one has the "Miami Vice" mystique.
Rok, variety is the spice of life; that play list had a lot of spice.
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Rok, you didn't even recognize that my very last post before this one, was in response to your play list that you posted on 02-07-15.
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Acman, could you please put more time into your posts; I don't know if I agree or disagree, they leave me hanging.
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