Jazz for aficionados


Jazz for aficionados

I'm going to review records in my collection, and you'll be able to decide if they're worthy of your collection. These records are what I consider "must haves" for any jazz aficionado, and would be found in their collections. I wont review any record that's not on CD, nor will I review any record if the CD is markedly inferior. Fortunately, I only found 1 case where the CD was markedly inferior to the record.

Our first album is "Moanin" by Art Blakey and The Jazz Messengers. We have Lee Morgan , trumpet; Benney Golson, tenor sax; Bobby Timmons, piano; Jymie merrit, bass; Art Blakey, drums.

The title tune "Moanin" is by Bobby Timmons, it conveys the emotion of the title like no other tune I've ever heard, even better than any words could ever convey. This music pictures a person whose down to his last nickel, and all he can do is "moan".

"Along Came Betty" is a tune by Benny Golson, it reminds me of a Betty I once knew. She was gorgeous with a jazzy personality, and she moved smooth and easy, just like this tune. Somebody find me a time machine! Maybe you knew a Betty.

While the rest of the music is just fine, those are my favorite tunes. Why don't you share your, "must have" jazz albums with us.

Enjoy the music.
orpheus10

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We have an open invitation to visit and hope to make it happen sometime. Sounds like a wonderful place.
You are very welcome here as well. 
I was just about to answer to schubert when I saw that Ale covered pretty much all. Great.
A person's perception of reality does not change or define reality.
Sure. Sun will not go down just because you have written this. That's the reality. P does goes deeper than of what's obvious to see but never mind because...

"There are things known and there are things unknown, and in between are the Doors (of perception). :--) ;-)
~ Huxley

https://youtu.be/YkKRU1ajKFA


Wish you fun, pjw. Tell us how it was.

*schubert/"Andre, who could never be called small minded, said "I’ve done my best to be open-minded about rock but there is nothing there, pure garbage."

The statement is the absolute nonsense, even if it comes from the four time Oscar winning composer. Rock is just a different music genre, that’s all. I don’t listen rock that often anymore but can’t ignore the significant mark in the history which this band for instance, among many others, has left: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Et3SdIOchRw

This is pop mixed with rock. Is this garbage too? I guess that one man’s trash is another man’s treasure....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9muzyOd4Lh8

;-)

*Absolutely great video on Segovia, pjw.

By building up the classical repertoire for a guitar, Segovia empowered guitar as a “serious” instrument; richer in technique, in repertoire and more appreciated in the public.

I have read quite lot’s of stories about Segovia. Can’t tell if all of them are true but they surely describe him as an extraordinary man. At one point in this video he said that he had to rescue the guitar twice; from the noisy hands of flamenco players and from a repertoire which was not a repertoire by guitarist composers – with the exception for Sor and Giuliani.

In one interview he said that Tarrega (Recuerdos de la Alhambra, Capricho árabe) was not a big composer; and that other composers were not very musical. He said that he had began asking the REAL composers – symphonic composers – to help him in creating the repertoire for the guitar.

Noisy flamenco players. Real composers. Tarrega being not a big composer. Segovia really had an “attitude”.

Segovia: “I love the flamenco, but the TRUE flamenco — not the flamenco heard these days. The flamenco guitarist of today has removed his attention from the ideals of yesterday, when this noble art was prized for a depth of emotion which could be produced by a certain simplicity of approach. Today’s guitarists are more theatrical, they want to show their technique, to dazzle the public with pyrotechnics…”

(Segovia on Flamenco Guitar, Song and Dance – from Guitar Review, 1977)

He did not specially like virtuoso Paco de Lucia either, whose influence on flamenco guitar has often been compared with his influence on classical guitar and he once called him a player with “clever fingers” and good look only (I am slightly paraphrasing here).

Paco de Lucia/Concierto de Aranjuez-Adagio: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9RS4biqyAc

Who knows which performance of Concierto de Aranjuez would suit Segovia more? The one of John Williams, of Pepe Romero or..?

Rodrigo originally dedicated the Aranjuez to Segovia, but when Segovia received the score he declared it unplayable in some parts and suggested changes which Rodrigo did not want to accept. So Rodrigo dedicated it to Sainz de la Maza instead, who performed it with huge success. Later Segovia has spoken highly of the piece but never performed it. I wonder why.




“Rock melted the glue and the only thing left was a hyper-patriotism that became nationalism and militarism which had given endless war and a debt that will destroy us.”

I must say that I wasn’t ever of the fact that rock was one of the factors that indirectly have led the nation into the destructive waters of war, into world’s massive exploration, human degradation and disgrace what eventually ruined (and will ruin for more) all of us. Until now. Somebody should have warned Marx.

Back to destructive late rock. Woodstock /3 Days of Peace & Music. Make love not war. But I guess I’ll have to change that image now and imagine that the symbolic flower in that pretty woman’s hair in the Age of Aquarius is a disguised explosive device. Made to kill.

*danger*

*we all have been warned*

:-)) 

Sorry, I just had to...



pjw, I am glad you had a good time and sorry for one glass of whiskey only. Very interesting and funny article though…


schubert, I do not think that this is contest either. We just talk. I think that your opinion on this matter has no valid foundation and that the terrible consequences that the world is facing now in most fields of life quality, have much deeper cause of the one you are aiming on. It’s just way too simple to claim that rock mostly did it. And you know what they say; everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts...



It’s all right schubert, don’t worry, I understand your point. I am glad you like the song.

I’ll take a look on your Money Masters video, pjw.
Few hours ago, when I first saw your link, I have misread the title and saw it as Money "Monsters". I have just become aware of it.


All nice postings and one imho extraordinary from pjw, thank you, you made my day with that. Jelena Ana Milcetic (Helen Merrill)’s parents are indeed from Croatia. But she was born in NYC.

I have been reading about her and can’t help noticing that she was underrated singer since I stumble on some names all the time but not that often on hers. It’s a quite pity if you ask me, mildly would be to say that I like her singing, her soothing, breathy and husky vocal.

She was quite popular in Japan and was called there “the Sigh of New York.” She traveled and performed abroad a lot; Germany, Brazil, Italy, Japan, what probably made her less popular in USA...

She was at first into folk music but she said later that jazz called out to her: “Because it sounded honest to me, and it seemed like a place I could enter with my strange conception of music.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqIWzT6cmqA
p.s. I must say that I was recently offered to sing on a jazz composition (!) by one, Segovia would say, REAL composer. Can you believe that? Of course, I can't accept it since I have no idea how to do it, it takes years of practice, but it feels good just to get the offer like that. 

More from Helen...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cnn_gosCqg
pjw, maybe people liked her precisely because she wasn’t a trained singer. She seemed shy and introvert, with the quite simple and honest tone in voice, what hit the center. I never underestimate such effect. Not to forget the great musicians by her side. Wonderful story.
schubert, regarding the massive blaze at Notre Dame Cathedral, besides Voltaire who would probably yelled "Écrasez l’infâme", majority was shocked by the scene of devastation. 850 - year - old Cathedral.

Talking about the history, did you know that the structure of the cathedral in Alex’s town - the Cathedral of Saint Domnius, built AD 295 – 305 (!) as the Mausoleum of Roman emperor Diocletian is the second oldest structure used by any Christian Cathedral in the world? Mausoleum became a Cathedral in the 7th century. And the Cathedral is still in use!

What a heritage...
p.s. "No mary jo. I did not not.
I’ve never been to Croatia and only time It came up in my History studies was about the Ustashe. Interesting though."

Man, can’t believe it. Since this what schubert is saying sounds quite defeating to any normal Croatian citizen, I just have to write something on that subject although this will not change anything and this thread is certainly not a place for politics. It is not that I am too surprised with the way the World sees us, it is just that I was hoping for at least wider side of the picture.

I will be as short as possible.

Facts:

Croatia is former republic of former SOCIALIST federation Yugoslavia.

Yugoslavia consisted of 6 Republics: Bosnia and Herzegovina, CROATIA, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia, and Slovenia.

When the World War II started, military operations in Yugoslavia began with the RESISTANT movement which is considered to be Europe’s most effective anti-Axis resistance movement during World War II (!)

The movement was consistently referred to as the "PARTISANS" throughout the war.

In Partisans were people from Bosnia and Herzegovina, CROATIA, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia, and Slovenia.

"By the middle of 1943 partisan resistance to the Germans and their allies had grown from the dimensions of a mere nuisance to those of a major factor in the general situation. In many parts of occupied Europe the enemy was suffering losses at the hands of partisans that he could ill afford. Nowhere were these losses heavier than in Yugoslavia."

—Basil Davidson (British historian)

At the SAME time, during WW II, on the territory of Yugoslavia were also (in MINORITY but did existed) Serbian Chetniks and Croatian fasicsts Ustashe who both were domestic traitors cooperating with the Nazi Germany.

So as you can see, there were Partisans, Chetniks and Ustashe. The first were fighting against the fascists, the second and the third were cooperating with them. My ancestors belonged to the first ones.

Unfortunately, today must admit that our country is ashamed of her role in the history of anti-fascism and prefer to identify itself more with fascism. Why is that so, that is a complex story to be told somewhere else, not on this thread.

I apologize for bothering you with this subject but after schubert’s line I just had to.


You are correct Frogman. Hell, The Frogman is always correct. Temper Tantrum / Pouting session over. And as you said, maybe it wasn’t me after all. Could have been the Jazz Queen. :)

Not that I recognize myself...
:--)

I do not know what frogman is talking about but I guess that you wrote something about not coming back. I was about to write the same but eventually did not publish it and Alex calmed me down. I actually was cool until I saw the reason of the removal. My usually lower blood pressure went quickly high. :-)

Still, I am not sure how to behave from now on, this was quite inconsiderate act from audiogon. Simple and kind warning should have been enough. We are not kids, ok, maybe Rok only, but the rest of us would have surely understood the message. :-)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CoU4YCNt3OM
Yes, Mary_Jo, that is what I was talking about; a post that was also deleted. Personally, I consider the posts deleted over the years ample warning. As I recently told my upset kid (son), sometimes it’s best to kill them (Agon) with kindness instead of indignation. Works both ways; and it did work.  I’m glad our happy little family is back.

Btw, I do like “fro”. Please don’t shoot the messenger 😊

https://youtu.be/02QUmKVsyFY

I so like this song fro, thank you. :--)

You teach your son well. I do agree with you but sometimes my bad temper overpowers me, although I've been known as diplomatic type. It should be other way around, hasty when young, reasonable and more calm when older. I mixed up something. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTMjMeFKyPs
Hey Mary_Jo, apology for my earlier indiscretion; all in good fun. I have a feeling you can handle it.
I do not understand. What indiscretion?

I have to ask: DJ PP?
DJ Pepper Pod, of course. Most famous DJ in Swiss Alps. I really do not know how you did not hear for this DJ.
This is your favorite radio station, streaming right now, with strictly coded frequency and highly secured station, based deep in Swiss Alps. Stay safe. You're now tuning with DJ PP.

From the The Final Comedown, Grant Green

Grant Green -  Afro Party
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPUJfNGA-b4

Grant Green - Battle Scene
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kFoLqouLJA

Grant Green -  Slight Fear And Terror
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0Cpvs-ShHw&list=PL0RNmJPHxmg8ujDDKIyC6WK43Qu388vrB&index=4

Grant Green - Past, Present And Future
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW_cUpXLGBk

Grant Green -  Luanna's Theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xRLOESCBz0&list=PL0RNmJPHxmg8ujDDKIyC6WK43Qu388vrB&index=5

I wonder where O-10 is and the rest of the gang.  We had coup d'état and heavy battle here, we still need to regroup.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRgWBN8yt_E
Being deep in Swiss, the signal can be a bit weaker now and then, so I can lose the point. If you think about the compliments, I really see no indiscretion in that, it was nice of you.
pjw, I asked myself the same.
Naughty birds probably hijacked it. Can't think of another explanation.
The Final Comedown:

Blaxploitation movies. What a waste. When I think of what could have been done. Much of the music was a waste also. Some good stuff outside of Jazz. WAR for instance. Great(est) pop band ever?? EW&F also.
Where on Earth did you see me posting War? I told you so many times that you should wipe your glasses. :p I will borrow you mine microfiber cloth. It’s working when you use it. I posted Final Comedown, Grant Green. I do not mind the movie here, just music. And do not consider that it is waste. Although it is more funky than anything else of Grant, I like it. If Grant would take a pencil and try to play on it, I would probably like it too. It’s Grant. He knows what he is doing. However, another pair of shoes is the fact that Grant barely features on the album apart from the title track...:--) :D Nevertheless, it’s kind of funny music.
Mr. Pyongyang, would you mine posting something or you are pouting too? This is very popular these days. Pouting, I mean.
Still nobody here. It looks like that the birds hijacked the whole jazz aff in the meantime. Damn birds...
fro, your second best stands for two:

Art Pepper, Foggy Day
https://youtu.be/ogZLd3Mc6U0

Wait... Better make it 3. I forgot Tenor Sax, Bill Perkins.
That is very beautiful, the Bluebird of Alexis Ffrench, thank you acman.

Ffrench explains of "Bluebird":
"I wanted to write something with a certain immediacy that spoke to people and connected with them, as that’s always at the forefront of my mind. The training for a classical musician is steeped in words and academia but my main aim is always to communicate with people."

"Bluebird, for me, is filled with a variety of influences, from Debussy and Satie, and is an expression of love and hope. It is born out of improvisation. I wanted to write something that expressed a certain innocence and purity. There’s so much trauma around us right now and I wanted to share a moment of calm, beauty and consolation. There isn’t enough of that in the world."

~source The Independent UK

All great for dancing, especially the Caribbean Queen, haven't heard that in ages. That far I can remember. :--)
mary_jo, frogman and the rest of the gang I can assure you I am not "pouting" I have been busy working and trying to start up a new business.

I see there has been more drama with the OP again. Can someone fill me in on what's bothering him this time?
pjw, wish you successful start in these challenging times...

Well, it is not about our OP.  Few days ago, the whole this thread Jazz Af was removed, meaning erased. Eventually the Moderators brought it back. In that short period of time, when the thread was gone, Alex created a temporary one where you can check what happened: https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/jazz-for-aficionados-removed/post?postid=1969580#1969580
I am so, so sorry to hear about Kenny Burrell...A dreadful world we live in. But what else is new? :(
Those are good ones fro, from others too, off course.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYNsYz-nOsI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1024bA4iU5w

Following your recent conversation, about the differences between guitar types, I want to paste here the link of this classical guitarist, Sharon Isbin:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1N77zyOXfIU

If you google a bit about Isbin, you will probably bump into her documentary (she is very well covered on YT) where she encounter short meeting with her friend who gives her an electric guitar to play.

They both laugh in the process where Isbin also explains that she spends all her time playing classical guitar only and considers she still doesn't have enough time to explore all the great possibilities that classical guitar offers.

That off course, leaves no room for the practice on the electric guitar where she admits she is not good there at all (!)

By the way, Isbin is founding director of the guitar department at Juilliard, a multiple grammy winning classical guitarist, etc., etc....
fro, that's because Isbin has very expensive guitar (Michael O’Leary Guitars, Antonius Mueller guitar...) which basically plays by itself. ;-) 

Man, I was so scared that I wrote acman instead of pjw. Had to delete post and correct myself. Pjw, I owe you one.
Alex probably wanted to buy a gun, that’s why he knows that our law about carrying a gun is a quite strict one. So, have you bought it? You are scaring me now.
I can’t open links for some reason. And I want to laugh like pjw. : ))

p.s.
pjw man, you have some heavy machinery there, will have that in mind next time I feel the need to tell you anything.

p.s.1
If I were Janie, I would have a gun.
Cause for optimism
The YT comment below: "This song makes me wanna go to club, sip a whiskey and be depressed. I guess you could say that it makes me feel Kind of Blue."
:
Have nothing to add. It suits me perfectly. Great song, great album. Great players.