Jazz for aficionados


Jazz for aficionados

I'm going to review records in my collection, and you'll be able to decide if they're worthy of your collection. These records are what I consider "must haves" for any jazz aficionado, and would be found in their collections. I wont review any record that's not on CD, nor will I review any record if the CD is markedly inferior. Fortunately, I only found 1 case where the CD was markedly inferior to the record.

Our first album is "Moanin" by Art Blakey and The Jazz Messengers. We have Lee Morgan , trumpet; Benney Golson, tenor sax; Bobby Timmons, piano; Jymie merrit, bass; Art Blakey, drums.

The title tune "Moanin" is by Bobby Timmons, it conveys the emotion of the title like no other tune I've ever heard, even better than any words could ever convey. This music pictures a person whose down to his last nickel, and all he can do is "moan".

"Along Came Betty" is a tune by Benny Golson, it reminds me of a Betty I once knew. She was gorgeous with a jazzy personality, and she moved smooth and easy, just like this tune. Somebody find me a time machine! Maybe you knew a Betty.

While the rest of the music is just fine, those are my favorite tunes. Why don't you share your, "must have" jazz albums with us.

Enjoy the music.
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In the meantime , listen to this video  to understand why i put it here :

Bach Brandenburg No. 5: The concerto that defined Jazz, Prog-Rock, Metal & even some Pop formats

 

I listened to it non stop since you recommended it  long time ago now...

Thanks from a Hammond organ lover... cool

Another Hammond man i will investigate and  i did not Know!

 

Thanks a lot ...

 

Good to see you here again, mahgister!

https://youtu.be/RDcnPPdhwME?si=elvJx_iWduPSPMD3

 

Even when i was not here" speaking" i go on  reading  posts of my friends here especially the jazz thread......

Thanks my friend. yes

 

@mahgister

Great to have you back!

The 6 albums Blue note is one of my favorite Hammond box....

 

I cannot live without it...

Larry Young so different he plays than many others Hammond players is efficient, musical, self restraint, and servicing the music more than himself. I love him. All musicians with him are great especially here.

Hypnotizing relaxing music  so well done than we are less surprised than moved and then immersed...

 

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lJbHJ3w3iTb0yZO0b_Q_aDcv3j5UjfpzA&si=Xa4iqQxlImyEfrje

Thanks i will  investigate his output....wink

Seems interesting to me...

 

Here is an estimable artist who may not be known by many jazz fans, the guitarist Jack Wilkins. Check out his deeply felt rendering of John Coltrane’s classic, Naima:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyAk4pCvZAo&pp=ygUSamFjayB3aWxraW5zIG5haW1h

"When you hit the wrong note, it's the next note that makes it good or bad."

Miles Davis

 

This sentence appear to me very deep about music jazz  improvisation...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjCMcdhUWn8

 

 
 

 

 

i did not discover any Blue Mitchell quote as for Miles, Baker or Marsallis...

but he play a very beautiful and personal "how deep is the ocean" as the three others...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi5TGL8SSo4

«Well if I could play like Wynton, I wouldn’t play like Wynton.»
-- Chet Baker

Now reading this quote by Chet Baker about Wynton Marsallis, i imagine that each one of these 4 great musicians will say the same thing about each others...

The reason for this is certainly expressed the best by the late Quincy Jones :

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Excellence isn't an act, it's a habit

 

 

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This video is a bit contorted expression of a truth :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zrp-2JPSoYE

One commentary under it give a gist of it :

«The problem with modern jazz is that, to a considerable extent, it is being written and performed by college professors instead of drug addicts.»

 

 

 I am myself not a musician and not competent to give my opinion. But i like the less virtuosity and i love the best expression. Also i listen more with my heart than with my brain.  It is perhaps why i love Chet Baker and Bill evans so much...

Or Armstrong and  Miles Davis before some point in time.

Also i like some european and Japan jazz...Paradoxically because it is a bit away from jazz roots...

 

I am not a musician and i trust your knowledge because i know enough about you to think your opinion are way more musically informed than mine.

Once this is said, I admire the artists above i quoted even if i prefer some to others.

Virtuosity and expression goes always together in all great musician as the one i quoted above.

But if some touch us more than others there must be a reason , the encounter of my subjectivity with a specific style mixing expressivity in some way with some aspects of virtuosity is the cause.

When we interrogate ourselves about our taste we learn less about music than about ourselves for sure...

I tried many suggestions of people here as yours and thanks to all i discovered many great i did not knew . This thread is very important for me ...

Jazz is a tree way bigger now than his roots, which it cannot quit save at the price of dying but the canopy is so rich than i am fascinated by his exploration especially in European jazz...

My best to all and thanks to everyone suggestions and remarks...

Taste is a construction by our living body/brain/ears conditioned by internal physiology as well as by society and also our own independant spirit history.

Knowing my taste is knowing my limitations.Not only my strenght.

In music taste must be educated by us and others..

I come here to be educated in jazz by many who know better than me and more and spoke well about it..."Tastes" of people as flying insects can cross one another and fertilize or inseminate us all if we are  compatible kind for sure..

We all for example recognize Frogman as a well informed person about music in general and jazz in particular.

A fertilizer...Or a seeder...

I will stop my metaphors here... ;)

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So true. What do you think "taste" is made up of, exactly? What are the underlying factors that drive our preferences?

I forgot to say that music in his effects on living creatures as well as sound is an objective event not a mere subjective one.

Then our taste did not express a mere contingent free will as a choice but also reflect something about us even in our physiological reaction that constrain the choice...

Then taste is a complex concept.

Music is more than leisure activity ...It is a deep working probe in the ocean/atmosphere we are as body/soul.

Taste is the reflecting peak of a huge unknown iceberg.

 

I forget to spoke here about the mechanization of the soul by social control  acting on our taste...But it exist too ...

I’m not sure I grasp what you mean, here.

You’re suggesting there’s an unconscious somatic shrinking away from or filtering elements out of that which we’re hearing at the same time we’re consciously embracing it. . . or ???

No, i simply suggest that our "taste" in music comes from many direction : social,family, individual potential but also our own general physiology..

Sound and music did not have the same effect on individuals and on cultures... We are free individually and collectively to express ourselves with some chosen set of scale,timbre,rythm etc but because we adopt some timbre,rythm,scale etc we also program ourselves in some ways instead of others...

Then it is useful to deprogram ourselves exploring jazz if we are only in classical or exploring world music if we are in folk or pop etc...

But because music is universal grounded in timbre evaluation and rythm it affect the body in consistent way...Then learning the reasons behind our own acquired tastes when we explore what may not appear as immediately so pleasing in others musical genres alien to us can makes us able to go deeper in our own internal mechanism.

Musicians know this instinctively and they easily explore all music genres across styles and cultures, spontaneously, because the way the body perceive and evaluate sounds is universal...

 

it is better explained in these 2 articles :

Here :

«The tone and tuning of musical instruments has the power to manipulate our appreciation of harmony, new research shows. The findings challenge centuries of Western music theory and encourage greater experimentation with instruments from different cultures.»

https://phys.org/news/2024-02-pythagoras-wrong-universal-musical-harmonies.html

 

And Here :

«The research also dismantled the notion that music’s impact is purely subjective or culturally relative. Instead, it underscored the existence of cross-cultural, shared links between musical features, bodily sensations, and emotions.»

«We conclude that music induces consistent bodily sensations and emotions across the studied Western and East Asian cultures. These subjective feelings were similarly associated with acoustic and structural features of music in both cultures. These results demonstrate similar embodiment of music-induced emotions in geographically distant cultures and suggest that music-induced emotions transcend cultural boundaries due to cross-culturally shared emotional connotations of specific musical cues. We argue that bodily experience, which may arise from skeletomuscular activity and changes in the physiological state of the body, plays a critical role in the elicitation and differentiation of music-induced emotions.»

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2308859121

To be clear and simple...

When i was young i listened spontaneously to choral music before Bach not much to everything else, save also Bach...( i ignored all pop music in my teens save few exceptions for sure )

I was "snob" and ignorant in musical matter...

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With time i learned to appreciate modern classical instrumental music then i go slowly to Indian and Persian music and after that i was ready for jazz, but i listen jazz intensively  only since the last decade ...

I came here and discover great advices...

We all must grow out of our "natural innate taste" and even out of our acquired taste to grow musically and learn...

My strong taste for choral music is still with me but i felt richer if i can appreciate a great musician from the American or European jazz ... or a Sitarist or master of tanbur...Or African percussion like the Yoruba talking drums which is a pure marvel to hear because it is so refined that it make us ectatic...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4oQJZ2TEVI&t=28s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZOg4xIiulw&t=949s

By the way the best book i read on acoustics perception of music is written by a master of Yoruba drum ...

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I dont know who  i love the most Thad Jones and Mel Lewis or Booker Little...

Astoundingly good...

Wow!

 I listened just a few chords and i will go for it immediately, thanks ...cool

 

For a manic jazz collector, this is a maddening task. So much has been listed here it's beyond. Maybe this already has, so apologies in advance. If I had to run out of the house right now - 

Booker Little "Out Front", original Candid LP pressing - I mean, really. If this incredible talent had not died from uremia at 23, who knows what would have happened.

As stated by Miles ...

 

'In his autobiography, Miles Davis made reference to “the great young trumpet player Booker Little,” and wrote of this Manassas cohort, “I wonder what they were doing down there when all them guys came through that one school?”'

I urge you to listen to this track and ask yourself as you are weeping for reasons you don't know, how?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zX0p0AzMgAk&list=OLAK5uy_lafLQnhqcHAOtyTNribo2aVrB_rjIYfHM&index=5

This cut was dedicated to Nat Hentoff, (largely responsible for bringing Little to awareness), who broke down when he heard it and never got over the death of Booker. 

https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/booker-little-out-front/

The last time i was flabbergasted was the discovery of Pat Martino here Thanks to frogman ...

Booker Little was not a young player when he died but a mature genius at 22 ...

It is already one of my favorite album... "out front"..

 

I look for the best english word to describe his speaking singing trumpet : haunting as poetry could be compared to the best prose...

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It is my best evening music since a long time...

Between Booker Little and Thad Jones...

I did not even know their name really ...

yes

 

Wow!

I just finish the Booker little album...

And frogman recommend me a trumpet player i never listened to ...

And i am enthralled after one minute...

I am lucky this evening and jazz ignorant ...

2 geniuses the same day....

Thanks frogman

I will chase all albums of Booker little and Thad Jones it seems ...cool

 

https://youtu.be/7YyA7NXSpps

 

My prayers for all and the best Thanksgiving!

Thanks for all suggestions by everybody ...

Wow!

Thanks i will go for it...

I discovered 10 albums of Booker Little and 25 of Thad Jones, i will see how to get them...

 

 

@mahgister Here is one Thad Jones album that you may like, if you do not have it already. The line up is stellar.

'After Hours' from 1957. with Burell, Waldron, Chambers,Frank Wess and Taylor

https://youtu.be/IwaKqnkUjHk?feature=shared

Any artist listen to his inspiration and is moved or motivated sometimes by other artists but  not the public. Save small artist in need of recognition.

But when he create any artist must be oblivious of anything else, even of fellow artist work.

But improvising jazz with fellow musician is a collective work. The musician must listen the other one or the result will be unbalanced.

 

 Thanks for the Blake anecdote by Huxley...

I admire Blake beyond  almost  anyone...

I think he was a prophetizing archangel raging to walk without wings.

There is a story, I believe written by A.Huxley, where he writes that at one point in time W.Blake met young Constable who was just finishing one of his paintings. Blake, very impressed seeing it, said that painting is a pure inspiration, on which Constable replied that he ment it to be a landscape.

I would dare to say that relation between artist, or his work and audience is often not related

Great post! i concur with your analysis according to Buber...

Between musicians and the public there is a mystery space, where the musicians do not enter nor the public but the 2 are transformed by the felt space of meaning, spontaneously created,  by  those playing and by those listening, a space from which their consciousness is excluded .

@mahgister. Your comment that between musician and audience is very often not related I suppose could apply to any creative work! And I would agree. The in between time-space that Martin Buber speaks to in “I Thou” and his I It I think convincingly expresses that mysterious experience where both participants are changed as a result, but not in any preconceived way. Being unrelated is in my opinion not only true oftentimes but also irrelevant.

 

Jazz is no more just American. It is a world wide phenomenon.

It does not disapeared , it metamorphosed itself because it is a deep language able to be spoken on many levels..

Jazz was a caterpillar in the beginning so beautiful it was. it became a butterfly...

Now no musicians on earth can ignore jazz...None...

The fact that consumers dont buy jazz a lot is like lamenting that most readers dont read Dante or Rabelais or Dostoievsky... They need an education...

Who buy choral works from the Franco Flemish school ? It is so deeply genius words fail... But without education no one will discover it...

 

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My deepest respect and dont hesitate to communicate to us if you discover a choral music album that please you a lot...

I apologize to speak of choral music on a jazz thread ...

 

 

@mahgister-

"Who buy choral works from the Franco Flemish school ? It is so deeply genius words fail... But without education no one will discover it..."

Thanks for the schoolin'! I recently saw The Tallis Scholars, really enjoying them. I've been looking for similar music. 

David

 

I discovered Byrd Tallis and Purcell when i was 20...

Engraved in my soul as hot iron which never cooled since ...

Stile Antico as few others groups are like bread and wine ...

 

When i listen jazz very often for sure i felt great pleasure and surprize...It make me feel more dynamical... The sound texture is enebriating...

But choral music convey pure love and goes way deeper in the soul till we reach sometimes pure contemplative spirit as a boat on a calm sea lulled by voices from everywhere and nowwhere in a space with no dimensions but only meanings.

I learned so much from your suggestions and opinions...

 Thanks to all of you...

It is great pleasure to have friends even distant one ...

 

Happy new year...

By the way i am always  pretty flabbergasted by Booker Little playing...

 

 

 

I own the 4 albums virtuoso and i never hear  something on par with these improvisations...

Marvellous !

I think now there is 6 recordings albums of title "virtuoso"...

 

 I know only 4... Top each one...

 

In this article they said 6...

https://www.allaboutjazz.com/joe-pass-virtuoso-by-c-michael-bailey

 

Happy new year and big health and perfect hearing and some good  surprize to come this year  for you...

 

@mahgister, I was surprised to find a total of 3, and you say there’s a 4th? Way cool...