Jazz for aficionados

Going with your logic, why don’t we call this "Pepper Adams" album.


     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImvjZ7fUUBU

 Somethin' Else is a jazz album by saxophonist Julian "Cannonball" Adderley, released on Blue Note Records in 1958. Also on the session is trumpeter Miles Davis in one of his handful of recording dates for Blue Note.

Kind of Blue is a studio album by American jazz trumpeter Miles Davis. It was recorded on March 2 and April 22, 1959, at Columbia's 30th Street Studio in New York City, and released on August 17 of that year by Columbia Records.

Pjw, I'll quit when I get good and ready, not when you or Frogman tell me to quit.

Rok, have electrolytic capacitors replaced on anything over 10 years old if you want it to sound as good as it can.

Rok, SS Amps go downhill, CD players function on chips; either they're working or their not. Give those dinosaur amps to the goodwill.

            https://www.parts-express.com/cat/home-audio-amplifiers/106

I've had 3 of these, they sound very good with a tube pre. The first one I bought cost $139. now they're a little higher. They have one downside, air vents are on the top of the amp, and if one drop of water falls on top, you got a smoked amp. Been there done that, no water gets within 100 yards of my amps.


    https://www.parts-express.com/dayton-audio-apa150-150w-power-amplifier--300-812


If you want to be in the big league, or at least knocking on the door, you have to have a "tube Preamp" they last a long time.


Happy shopping.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u37RF5xKNq8

One of the most remarkable musical events I have ever witnessed in all of my life was when I saw "Andreas Vollenweider"; I was transported to another time and place in my life.

We got the mezzanine front and center seats; it was like being in the center of a huge speaker, plus I brought two sets of binoculars, one for wide angle, and another long range to zero in on details.

Andreas's music is somewhere between fantasy and angelic. When I was a child, my aunt read me fairy tales from a big white jewel encrusted book (looked like jewels to me) and took off her big diamond ring that I turned different ways to watch it sparkle all the colors of the rainbow while listening to "Hansel and Gretel" or whatever fairy tell she was reading. This music took me back to that happy time when I thought that life would be one long fairy tale.

Andreas looks like a cherub plucking his harp, and the music he makes could only come from a cherub. His band consisted of such an incredible cast of characters who made a sound that could be called "otherworldly".

This is the same music I witnessed and I want to share that experience with you;


                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=me6aASTOglE

Rok, for a tube preamp, I recommend a CJ PV-10; I bought one new many years ago and it's still going strong every day. It sounds best with a pair of NOS 12-AU7 A tubes.

Rok, it's time you upped the quality of your sound; that CJ-PV 10 is known the world over, and has been for some time.

That Blue Ray sounds like a winner; there have been advances in chips that allow you to have better quality digital at a cheaper price.

Amps and preamps are slightly different; the preamp especially. The amp produces whatever sound the Pre feeds it. If the Pre feeds it a high quality "Tube" sound, that's what it will try to send to your speakers.

Differences in SS amps are subtle, but each positive upgrade is quite expensive because it comes at the cost of more expensive parts which the manufacture has to pass on. Like it or not, electrolytic capacitors go downhill in such a way that you don't realize it until the quality of audio is really bad. In other words, if you compared your amps with identical amps that had new capacitors, you would hear a big difference.

The most unfortunate thing about this time, is the fact that high end salons no longer exist. (good thing)  If they did, I might sell the baby's high chair to get new speakers, after hearing how much better theirs sounded.

You bought your stuff when we were in the "Lo-Fi" game, it's time to move up a notch. I gave you the cheapest option available for that move.

BTW, LP's are heavenly, it's just that the equipment required to make them sound that way is heavenly expensive. My only gripe is that new people are not made aware of this "fact".

I'm beginning to wonder why I got into this conversation; we have a horse and buggy music lover who wants to stay that way, that's fine with me.

Tubes are why the music on the radio sounded so good before they ever heard of a transistor. As a matter of "fact", those very same tubes are much more expensive; they're called NEW OLD STOCK, and as soon as I have excess funds, I will purchase some of them.

Somehow I feel out of place, like someone wearing cleats on a basketball court.

Get some new horse shoes while your at it.

Right now, I'm lying down in the bedroom where I have the CJ-PV 10
with NOS tubes listening to Clifford Brown With Strings;

               https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Aww9lWwYlY&list=PLUJ7V33M1wR3JLVPbCEBiR3_1PNP7zaOT


Every note seems to sparkle; I bet the SS people think they're hearing the same thing I'm hearing.  What they don't know wont hurt them.

Headphone amps connect to line out; they're for people who like headphones. I've got one that I've used very little in the last 20 years.

SS Preamps are a non starter for me. While I have tube mono blocks in the listening room, SS power amps could possibly work with a tube preamp.

I have Audible Illusions M3A preamp.


        http://www.audibleillusions.com/news/


PrimaLuna Monoblocks amplifier


        https://upscaleaudio.com/products/primaluna-prologue-premium-monoblocks-pair


I have custom efficient speakers. I worked with a crossover design engineer to build my speakers. No need for an engineer for bedroom speakers, but I wanted something special for the listening room. Absolutely not recommended; it took 20 years of modifying before I was satisfied. Not as expensive as you might think when you build your own cabinet, but way too problematic. The end result is "holographic".

I had 150 watt channel SS amps before I got the tube 70 watt a channel monoblocks, and I can't tell the difference. I know it doesn't seem to add up, but there it is.

There are a multitude of advantages to tubes; you can change the sound of your rig by swapping different kinds of tubes, you can make it sound better than it's cost by purchasing NOS tubes. Although I'm biased, I say SS lovers like sounds, while tube lovers love music.

It seems that those headphones were made for the demanding "Audiophile" listener; they sent you the wrong headphones.

For my new found "Audiophile" friend, I'm going to be checking the quality of headphone outputs. For starters, the jack on the back of my computer is putting out a very good signal. Left, right, and center is perfect, as well as depth.


I'll compare some more and get back to you. In a way, headphones are better than speakers because they don't have the room to contend with.

That is the most beautiful version of "In a Sentimental Mood" I have ever heard.

Actually Rok, they’re a lot cheaper than dental work. After spending thousands on dental work, I asked how much would they charge to get everything I wanted; that’s when I had to make a choice; "Do I want dental work or a pair of PrimaLuna Mono Blocks"? Needless to say, I don’t have that Colgate smile, but I got my Mono Blocks. When I look in the mirror, I say "You still look good to me".

Everytime I find some fault with "our way of life" somebody pipes up with "Love it or leave it", and I say to them "I'll leave it in a pine box"!


I found a way to duplicate very expensive interconnects, and by word of mouth made them for those who got the word.

Not long ago I discovered the wire I needed was no longer available to ordinary consumers. (no more interconnects)

The people who make a bundle from commercial interconnects discovered high quality interconnects could be made by buying a certain bulk wire that was used for industrial projects, and paid that company not to make it available for little people like me.


I know, all's fair in love and war, and capitalism.

Rok, my rig might seem expensive to you, but it's near the bottom rung of the high end; plus it's the cheapest that you can get to deliver Class "A" sound.

After I wandered into a high end salon in 1990, and discovered what was possible, I was determined to duplicate that "Holographic" sound, and I've come as close to it as my funds will allow.

Recently I upgraded my analog and got a new record collection from my old records. The way I stated it made it sound fast and easy, but it wasn't; that's because I modified an old Rega P3, this required patience, hard work and skill, but nowhere near the cost of an equivalent high end TT.

The enjoyment of music is my life, it's what I breath; consequently, I want it to be as pleasurable as possible.


It seems we both have been into "Trane" a lot lately; here's my pick for today;


      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpZHUVjQydI



John Coltrane – tenor saxophone
Lee Morgan – trumpet
Curtis Fuller – trombone
Kenny Drew – piano
Paul Chambers – bass
Philly Joe Jones – drums


This was released in 1958, and next to "My Favorite Things", might be his best known cut. I played it a lot on the jukebox in 59.


Back in 59, I was not aware of the raw talent of those individual artists who would go on to become leaders and stars in their own right. Just recently, as an example, we've had extended discussions about "Lee Morgan". Although I played that record a lot in 59, it's taken these many years to know "why."

alex, ARC is a move up from Audible Illusions.


My beginnings in jazz go back to Johnny Smith and "Moonlight In Vermont". I liked all of those albums you posted. As everyone knows, I'm all about memories, and Johnny Smith brings back some good one's.


      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRNpc-hFkCs

"My entire adult working life was in electronics."


So has mine, I failed to see the connection between that and the high end? My knowledge has enabled me to achieve "Stereophile Class "A" sound" at a cheaper price; just yesterday some RCA connectors came in the mail that will be used to make interconnects which sound as good as very expensive one's.

If you can't hear the difference, it would be pointless to pay the difference; I'm not buying for status, I'm buying for sound.

I was just listening to Ahmad Jamal, and realized that my serious initiation into jazz began about 3 blocks from where his group appeared at "The Pershing Lounge" about the time his first big hit "Poinciana" came out in the 50’s.

I saw him in Chicago in the mid 80’s, and I could see by his reaction, (He left immediately after his performance at Ricks nightclub) that he was not pleased with the crowds reaction to his performance. Although it was fantastic as usual, they were used to seeing Ahmad; he was received like Christ in Bethlehem, "Oh there goes Jesus"; rather casual like.

I talked to his drummer "Frank Gant", who told me they had tickets to Japan, and that they could not make a living depending exclusively on the USA.

Presently he makes his home in Marseille France where he’s given the respect an artist of his stature should be given.



           https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOAepSLbohs

Mary_jo, this post is dedicated to you, I hope you like the music;


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPH1IuMtFGc 



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch6h278GEpA

Wynton Marsalis is a Johnny come lately who was never able to do anything with a blank sheet of music paper as far as jazz is concerned, and Frogman has been trying since day one to say that everyone including maybe Martians had something to do with American jazz.

Real "modern" jazz is music that came from the inner sanctum of the Black urban inner cities. It is the musical expression of complex emotions that can only be expressed musically.

There is the possibility that some of these emotions have only been felt by descendent's of slaves and consequently can not be comprehended by others, not even those who went to "Julee Yard".

The best example of a jazz musician that creates music which expresses complex emotions that are commonly felt by descendant's of slaves is "Bobby Timmons"

I never once missed the Alvin Ailey dance troupe when they came to town; spectacular!


      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW979KNVwIw

I wonder why the people who can talk music to death can not play music to death.

I do one thing and I do it very well, I listen to music. I don’t need nobody to tell me the dramatic difference between "Bop" and "Swing"; the difference between Lester Young and Charley Parker.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IK4FsQzUqB4


That was Lester Young; this is Charley Parker;

    
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovCpL1zjBgI

Can any one tell me how swing sounds like "Bop"?


There was a revolution in music like no other that preceded anything before it, and the man primarily responsible was Charles "Yard Bird" Parker..


That case has been closed for ages. I even feel foolish debating it.

Say guys I heard something that really grabbed me; it was all so "normal" that was why I wondered why it grabbed me. Tell me if this grabs you;


            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOtUIMrJUyc&list=RDJ2j3ImSF7m4&index=3

I can not believe this fantastic lady "Venessa Rubin" is not in my collection, but that will be corrected; thank you Rok.

Rok, you explained things better than I could have ever thought to explain them. Like you said, "You have to be born here to know the games that people play."

Now that you've explained everything, we can go on to the next thing.

This is jazz "in crowd" music for those who understand the language that is spoken by the masters of the language called jazz; specifically "Hard Bop".

The title of this tune is "Hipsippy Blues"; those in the know understand the word game being played with the title; that says it all.


          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3S0VYKg1JY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXIdd0qbpd4&list=PLs3Viabie8vH7WQvda6L3fslfP-sQmooR

Except for the studio/live part.  The studio always benefits those with lesser vocal instruments; hence the expression “We can fix it in the mix”.  


Frogman,  those were your words; explain to me what I misinterpreted?

Mary_jo, plague or no plague, I was living in the past before it struck. Covid 19 is just an addition to all the present jive BS.

I was just thinking about you, and like magic here you are in the beautiful living flesh. I'm going to write something especially for you; I don't mean that it pertains to you or that it is about you, but here it is.


          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpgBgaR01Mk&list=RDmpgBgaR01Mk&start_radio=1


This is one of the saddest songs ever written, that's because gigolo and gigolette are thinking of the lost love of their lives while they are dancing down the Boulevard of Broken Dreams; they kiss without regret because even then they're thinking of someone else.

The more intense they attempt to make their affair, the more they think of that someone in the past, but when you're dancing down "The Boulevard of Broken Dreams" you gotta do the best you can.

And they called it "Puppy Love";



        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IePTH1PWzAs


How about a little "Doo Wop";


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj7yF6YcTqk


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAO_dd_zslo



I have all those songs of yesteryear on a 10 inch reel that I was reminiscing to just a few days ago.

Rok, I agree 100% with your assessment. Miles did it better.



My favorite version of "It Ain't Necessarily So" is so unique that I don't compare it to anyone else's;



                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCDKiRJHQBM


                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X5sVnZvaVQ

This song is about a compelling, irresistible attraction two strangers have for one another. They are seated at the bar several stools apart, and their eyes lock in the mirror on the wall behind the bottles. They only hold their gaze for a short time and look away.

Not wanting to rush into anything neither of them makes a move. One week later, at the same early morning hours at the same bar, they lock eyes again in the same mirror and hold that gaze; that's when they both know it's time to make a move.


          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyp1yvSBq5I


          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOAepSLbohs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNBcZaB2uEQ

Mary_jo I have a busy day today. I will review your music later on.


In regard to this reality; "it is because they say it is, and they have been saying it is for generations". .

Although a manufactured reality, when everybody in a city or state, says it is, that becomes a reality of sorts.

Coltrane, I can tell you haven't posted too often on this thread; we liked "Kind of Blue", but only one of us went "Ga Ga" over it. We're not the crowd that has several vinyl copies.

I'm from Miles neighborhood, I even found a mistake in his autobiography about "our" neighborhood; he said he lived on 14th and Broadway, it was actually 15th and Broadway.
The mistake was made because he lived in the last building in the 1400 block of Broadway.

I even knew many of the people he mentioned; one lady he said her name was Josephine or Alma; it was Alma Eubanks, the doctors wife. I never knew all these details until I read his autobiography. I never met him, he was 15 years older than me; or knew so much about him until I read his book, and he had joined that big band in the sky by that time.

I liked all of Miles music he made in the 50's, and a lot in later years as well, but I also like a lot of other jazz musicians.

Here's one I especially like in the 50's;


  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-L6zc-xlU0


That solo by "Lucky Thompson" was boss; here's Lucky Thompson again;


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1sU4vSDfE4&list=PL7gp579CMkT-QBvYAxzFVzvVJKGtFvtlG

 

There are many songs that inspire my imagination and this is one of them. I can imagine sitting next to the lady singing that song, and her telling me to "Close my eyes";


        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=my85PH5xOxs

Mary_jo, you stated that "A person's perception of reality does not change or define reality."

When I was talking to a very smart person, that's the reality I was referring to.


He countered with "There are many "realities". His statement went into how the "dominant perception" of reality in any given geographical area becomes a new reality that must be heeded.

Those things touch on "The Phenomenology of Guist" which can keep you busy for twenty years or so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfzhdSe68S4

"Blues For Flannery O' Conner"; she was one of my favorite writers; she was from Georgia and she wrote about the South from a southern view point.

Mary_jo, if you want to see another reality, read "Flannery O' Conner".


        https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=NQlGVsbJw9s&list=RDAMVMNQlGVsbJw9s

And who would ever have thought that baby girl would grow up to be a big girl like this;


      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YO-Q_O2vb14

"Still, I think the name of the album should have been, "The Benny Goodman Sextet: featuring Charlie Christian on Electric Guitar".
Esp since the guitar being electric seemed to be an important point."


I never discovered enough "Charley Christian" to form an opinion.

As I have stated, some can and some can not hear Bird's Bop. Even Bird with strings is a form of Bird's Bop. Whether they can hear it or not doesn't really matter because no one can play Bird's Bop but Bird.


That soft smile that Bird had was really a sly grin, he knew what he brought to town didn't need a patent because no one could copy it.



                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fPPkRI2vfk