"Carmen Jones": I had recently befriended a young soldier who was about the same age as me, and we decided to see the movie "Carmen Jones". When we got to the theater, standing out front, was one of the most beautiful girls I have ever seen; she was dressed in a tight fitting, white "Carmen Jones" dress; that was a full dress that fitted tight, and flared at the bottom, it revealed a perfect figure.
Instantly, we both had the same idea, so we proceeded to make ourselves acquainted. When she talked to me, her eyes were on him. After I noticed his resemblance to "Harry Belefonte", I could see that I didn't stand a chance; I was witnessing love at first sight. During the movie, they couldn't keep their eyes off one another long enough to see the flick.
That's the story of my life, "I was in the right place at the wrong time".
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Rok, I never took the the time to estimate "Regina Carter" one way or the other, but for now, she's in the spotlight for me.
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Acman, I can feel Horace Silver's presence in this music, that's just how much of a difference, a great leader makes in the music. Over the years, I have discovered there are great leaders, and great sidemen; when a great "sideman" makes a record makes a record without one of the great leaders he's recorded with over the years, it falls flat. Rather than using any names, because it would appear that I'm putting these great musicians who were sidemen down, I'll allow you to think of examples of this.
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Unfortunately, the best "Silver's" music you will ever hear are on "You tube". That's because he couldn't take extended solos on his records because of time limitations. His solos on this "Senor Blues", are much longer than on the record. He was one of the very few artists who could have extended his solo for the entire record, and I wouldn't have minded. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lecamup2ykoEnjoy the music. |
I heard an hour long casual interview of Billy Eckstine, and it was the most impressive interview I've ever heard. I never thought about a musicians education, or ability to utilize the English Language in order to express themselves; but Mr. Eckstine's facility with the language indicated a formal education that included more than music. Miles was just the opposite, but he sure could blow that trumpet. Just a little trivia that I've been exposed to over the years.
The most entertaining discussions are about "Nahlins" when Louis was a young man; they always include the "cathouses" and nicknames. When you hear Dr. John using those nicknames in his songs, he didn't just make some of them up, they represent real characters in New Orleans. I can't think of any of them right now, but they would have you crackin up. The discussions I heard came from Lincoln Center, so maybe I can look them up
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"Individualistic" is a word that best describes Charlie Haden. Here he is with Don Cherry; listen to that kickin bass, that's Charlie Haden. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tp5mZxkeV1cI just wanted to point out another one of the many faces of Charlie Haden. Enjoy the music. |
Frogman, only a true aficionado, and musician would have noticed all of that. Your appreciation of that submission made my day.
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Rok, I would rather git whupped with an ugly stick than post a negative response, but since I know you've been waiting for some kind of response, so be it.
The music was alright, it was this thing I have about the "jazz classics". The way me, you, and Frogman went round and round over "Moonlight in Vermont", I don't understand how you didn't know that. For me, it's a Cardinal sin to try and re-do the classics, and the Beys did it six times in a row. After that, I couldn't hear the music, but I'm sure it will sound different when my mood changes, and I just listen to their music.
While Babe Ruth was the home run king for a long time, he was also the strike out king. The reason I mention this is because your record is much better than his, this is the first time you missed hitting a home run in regard to your recommendations
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Rok, since the CD was sitting on the player when I read your suggestion, it was easy to follow. "Sister Sadie" was as jazzy as Horace Silver intended it to be. That interplay between the sisters and brother was boss.
I really liked the scat singing on "The Swinging Preacher", maybe I'll join his church.
"Round Midnight" was the highlight of this CD, they nailed it by capturing the emotion someone feels around midnight when they're longing for their one true love.
I'm sure I would have enjoyed the Beys live, they have such a happy and joyous sound; I wouldn't even have a problem with the classics.
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Rok, believe it or not, this is the first time I heard the original; that piano does even more than the vocal, it captures "The Blues In The Night" while simultaneously playing "Since I Fell For You", and her vocals convey that hopeless feeling of not being able to fall out of love. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bD5CDIEnbENo one can outdo the original. Enjoy the music. |
Frogman, music convey's emotion, paints pictures, and tells stories, even without words; but not everyone is in tune to the stories it tells, that's why they attempt to tell sad stories with happy music. If that person happens to be a musician, I don't get it.
Fortunately you're a musician who is in tune with the wordless stories and the pictures music paints; I'm sure I would enjoy your music immensely, but you can't let that over ride your desire for anonymity, and I understand.
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It's as if someone else, "not me" posted my post. I say that because I'm learning as much about it, as if someone else posted it. As I stated, the title of the song was all that was relevant, I didn't even know it was "Charlie Ventura" playing. You must realize, that was a long time ago when I was in the 10th grade. Today, I discovered Charlie Ventura; he was an amazing musician. Check him on "Boptura"; the man is "Bird" in disguise, that cat can bop. It was just too short. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miC0fSPwbWsHis sax also had a beautiful smooth tone on "Yesterdays". I'm just getting re-acquainted with Charlie, I like his style. Enjoy the music. |
Life is funny sometime, and you guys are living it with me in real time.
I said I remembered "East of Suez", not Charlie Ventura, because I don't. Right now I'm exploring "You tube" and what's available for purchase.
Are any of you guys familiar with Charlie? Share with us what you know.
Frogman, that's an interesting comparison between "East of Suez" and "Night in Tunisia"; one is well known, while the other is almost unknown.
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Only musicians would notice something like that musical similarity between "Night in Tunisia" and "East of Suez", but not many people other than musicians are familiar with "East of Suez".
That was when Miles had something so special, that not even he knew what it was, but "Bird" heard it. Right now, that ranks as the number 1 "Night in Tunisia" for me.
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Rok, I'll accept your comments for my Norwegian, and move right along.
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Rok, I appreciate your honesty; if ken Burns was a gift from my son, I would cherish it to death. Nica's book is not in the same category.
"Charlie Ventura": he answered many of our personal questions in regard to how advanced we are in "Modern Jazz". Frogman will have to answer your question in regard to Charlie compared to Andy Bey and the Sisters, he has a way with words.
While Delta Blues is not, nor ever has been "my Thing", I'll give "Son House" a listen.
Music is a cultural, social, and economic expression; that is most apparent when you examine the music on this forum. I'm the city, primarily St. Louis and Chicago; a Chicago that no longer exists, but since I lived it, it still exists in my memory.
I just realized how much my last post was a personal expression, as opposed to one that speaks for others who're participating in this thread, because "advanced" was in reference to modern jazz exclusively. Jazz from a historical point of view, is irrelevant to me at this stage. My primary objective is to increase my collection, and that's become rather difficult.
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Rok, as I stated before, "Frogman has a way with words". He certainly expressed my thoughts in regard to both Charlie Ventura and the Beys. I believe you've sold the Beys as well as they can sold in this room.
Acman, I never thought about it, but I do recall that music from looking at early cartoons; it's amazing how much jazz is on "cartoons", you can also find Chico Hamilton.
Frogman, this is the first time anyone has put the music I love into a "musical perspective"; that makes it fresh and new. Although I've been around a lot of musicians, they never talked music from a musicians perspective.
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At different times I'm able to hear different artists. Today is a good Brubeck day; I can hear him, Paul, and the rest of the crew as good as the day I bought them.
The submissions by "Satch" sounded exceptionally well. Since I'm not a fan of the music from his era, that's unusual. I think it's primarily because of the cuts that were submitted. After all these years, I don't have much by him, but I can see, (or in this case"hear") that needs to be rectified.
It's a very good day for "Don Cherry", this is what I'm listening to at the moment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGKk4goM2Qk
No, this is not about any artist in particular, it's about how my ability to hear any given artist changes from day to day.
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Rok, although I know what you mean in regard to Miles and Trane, here's something quite different from the standard Trane you might like, and even get in the mood for from time to time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmr33FfhnHYEnjoy the music. |
Since I'm on Trombones, how about J. J. Johnson. Although you don't get the best music, these "You tubes" are almost as good as going to a live set because you get the best seat in the house. I'll leave it to you guys to submit the best music by J. J. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKAd2sogy9wEnjoy the music. |
"Rags And Old Iron": When I was like 5, an old man with a cart that rode on two wobbly squeaking wagon wheels, had two long poles attached to it, which he stood between and pulled down the alley behind us, while crying "rags and old iron".
When I was like 20, the first love of my life went to the altar with someone else, and I cried, while singing "Rags And Old Iron".
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My posts came in out of sequence, enjoy, but disregard Brazil, stay on Cuba.
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Frogman, I can certainly see why "Slide" is one of your favorite trombone players; like you say, he's got the "tromboniest" sounding trombone. Without a doubt, he will be added to the collection. That's probably how he got the nickname "Slide". There are times when I wasn't sure whether or not I was listening to a trumpet or trombone, now I know why; Bill Watrous's trombone sounds somewhat like a trumpet, that does require a lot of speed, both of these guys will be added. Bennie Green is probably my favorite trombone player, that's because "Soul Stirrin" is one of my favorite tunes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aeVlQtsaFECan you identify who's blowing that first sax solo. Although I've got the LP, there are two tenors; Billy Root, and Gene Ammons, that's why I can't tell who's blowing the first solo. While I'm certainly familiar with "Jug", this might be the only album I've got "Billy Root" on. Can you shed some light on this? Enjoy the music. |
I'm falling in love with these trombones all over again; here's one by the "Jazz Crusaders" featuring Wayne Henderson on trombone, it's titled "Young Rabbits". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA7f9HIXox4Enjoy the music. |
After experiencing so much failure in regard to new music and new people, I'm resigned to the past; thanks to "you tube", that's been quite pleasurable. When I go back in time, I also discover very pleasant, long ago forgotten memories; consequently, it's a win win. Your analysis from a musicians perspective also adds something brand new to old music. There are so many fantastic cuts from "The Crusaders" in this era, I don't know where to stop; they even make "Eleanor Rigsby" brand new. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0Jb72PZAls https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6G5YxVx__rUEnjoy the music. |
Rok, just under the box where you post your response it tells you how to use "mark up tags".
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Rok, click on where it says "mark up tags" just below the response box for instructions. On the third line is where you go for music, you do this before and after the address. Although it wont show on the submission, we'll be able to just click it on.
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Thank you Chazro, I'll look into all of your recommendations.
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Ackman, when an under endowed gentleman went to a house of ill repute in "Nawlins", he was asked "Who you gonna please with that little thang?", and he responded with great gusto "Me!", and so it is with music.
As I see it, the biggest problem with current music of almost all genres are the similarities in each genre; it's too much alike; meaning the last current jazz record sounds like the one before, and that goes for rock as well; I can hardly tell one rock record from another, and I won't even mention "Rap".
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Acman, your last post seemed to imply we had some differences in regard to music. That caused me to go through your musical submissions and find where we differed. After I went through them, the only thing I could find is the fact that I don't like a lot of short clipped phrases, although Miles seemed to like them. If we differ, could you submit a musical example?
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Rok, I thoroughly enjoyed all your vocal submissions, and I'm still a ladies man, just don't tell my wife; she'll have a hard time trying to stop laughing.
Keep em coming, you're making my day.
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I am so happy that my assumption that I had everything worth having by Oliver Nelson and Horace Silver was wrong. Ackman, here's some new music that appeals to me; Jesse Cook, cooks on several different continents at the same time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWjgyFvZ2OAEnjoy the music. |
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Acman, no you didn't misinterpret, my statements are contradictory; but when speaking of things that are in shades of gray, as opposed to black and white, that happens; now I'll try to clarify.
It seems the negative aspect of "new jazz" is it's conformity to some preconceived notion of what jazz is, or is not; that gives it a "uniformity" I don't like; but even that seems to apply primarily to "American jazz". Musicians from other countries do their thing, and allow us to define it any way we choose.
Since our taste in music is quite similar, our differences are the result of communication limitations. Like you said, it would all be clarified over a beer.
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As hard as I looked, I couldn't find any examples of the Trane I was talking about. This was a hip night club with a lot of musicians in the audience, so maybe Trane was showing them something special, but he never went quite that far out on any of the other live sets. The last 4 minutes of this set for 20 minutes is about as close as I can get. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03juO5oS2gg Enjoy the music. |
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Brazil is really a very fascinating country in regard to African rhythms. I try to get to the source of these rhythms in Africa, but they no longer exist on the continent they came from, they only exist in Brazil; an example of that is the "Capoeira" rhythms in Brazil, it's a Brazilian martial art that combines elements of dance, acrobatics and music, and is sometimes referred to as a game. Here's Capoeira: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8xxgFpK-NMWhat I like best about Capoeira music is the Berimbau, here's Baden Powel with Berimbau: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2n1R86mC6aAHere we have "Virginia Rodrigues" accompanied by berimbau, her voice even sounds like the instrument, but with a profound sadness. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vx2E5F_VYkAEnjoy the music. |
I've done everything possible, except chain myself to a post, in order to stay off my political soapbox, but no longer can I restrain myself.
In regard to Cuba, I was sitting on my duffel bag awaiting orders to deploy to Florida during the Cuban missile crisis, consequently, I know more about it than most people; but it's way past time to drop that hatchet, and a sack of other hatchets in order to resume normal relations with Cuba. That's affecting all of the poor people of Cuba, as well as the poor people here. Everybody should be tired of silly politics that's only benefiting the "very wealthy", and harming even the upper middle class because they depend on the lower middle class when they're in business, or need to sell something.
Thank you for enduring my rant.
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Rok, thank you for that piece of fascinating history on Valaida Snow that I never even heard of, which is something this aficionado finds hard to believe; that I never heard of it I mean. Please continue with fantastic, almost unknown people and events of jazz history that have probably been forgotten.
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A professional jazz musician who lived with me for one entire summer, never practiced during that summer. He had been playing keyboards since he was a child in church, and his mother was an organist. Playing three gigs a week was practice enough, according to me. I didn't have an organ or piano, so he couldn't practice. I have his records, and he played better that summer than during any time in his life. Unfortunately, that wasn't recorded, and it was much different than any of the records I have. Since "Bird" practiced I'm sure jazz musicians practice, his case was unique.
Back on the track; Cuba's music is like a Cuban history book if you know how to read it. Even Ricky Ricardo, a fictional character on "I love Lucy", is part of the US, and Cuba's history, if you know how to read it. Cuba's present music is an unfolding event that's a reflection of "The new Cuba", which is partially why I'm so interested in this "new music".
As everyone knows by now, although I'm a fossil who likes fossil music, this doesn't stop me from enjoying and appreciating new music, especially that from Cuba. I'm also enjoying these discussions.
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A professional jazz musician who lived with me for one entire summer, never practiced during that summer. He had been playing keyboards since he was a child in church, and his mother was an organist. Playing three gigs a week was practice enough, according to me. I didn't have an organ or piano, so he couldn't practice. I have his records, and he played better that summer than during any time in his life. Unfortunately, that wasn't recorded, and it was much different than any of the records I have. Since "Bird" practiced I'm sure jazz musicians practice, his case was unique.
Back on the track; Cuba's music is like a Cuban history book if you know how to read it. Even Ricky Ricardo, a fictional character on "I love Lucy", is part of the US, and Cuba's history, if you know how to read it. Cuba's present music is an unfolding event that's a reflection of "The new Cuba", which is partially why I'm so interested in this "new music".
As everyone knows by now, although I'm a fossil who likes fossil music, this doesn't stop me from enjoying and appreciating new music, especially that from Cuba. I'm also enjoying these discussions.
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That posting was so appropriate, you would have thought I read it a long time ago before I posted on Trane live.
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For Frogman, and other adventurous souls who like "free jazz". "John Coltrane offering, live at Temple University", is the title; this is the frenetic expression of how much more Coltrane had to say on "My Favorite Things". This fits the description of the live set I went to, and it contains 2 CD's. With 45 minutes of "My Favorite Things", they probably needed 3 CD's, but maybe 2 was sufficient.
I haven't tried, but I doubt if we can get a sample on "you tube", so somebody will have to buy and review "Offering" for the rest of us, and I nominate "Frogman".
Since no one could maintain interest in Cuba, we can move on and keep Cuba on the sidelines.
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Those tunes and artists got their fair share of what I had to contribute.
I will definitely have to get "Nawlinz, Dis Dat, Or Dudda", that Monkey is super heavy, and definitely food for thot. We could most certainly have a long conversation on dat monkey speaking his mind.
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We have discussed almost every genre of music and type of musician there is except one; that's a jazz musician who became primarily a classical musician. Wynton Marsalis doesn't quite fit that bill because he's still primarily a jazz musician. Andre Previn is the only musician who fits. In the mid-to-late 1950s, and more recently, Previn toured and recorded as a jazz pianist. In the 1950s, mainly recording for Contemporary Records, he worked with J.J. Johnson, Shelly Manne, Leroy Vinnegar, Benny Carter, and others. An album he recorded with Manne and Vinnegar of songs from My Fair Lady was a best-seller (see My Fair Lady (Shelly Manne album)). As a solo jazz pianist, Previn largely devoted himself to interpreting the works of major songwriters such as Jerome Kern (recorded in 1959), Frederick Loewe, Vernon Duke (recorded in 1958), and Harold Arlen (recorded in 1960). Previn made two albums with Dinah Shore as arranger, conductor, and accompanist in 1960, and another, "Duet", with Doris Day in 1961. He made appearances on The Ford Show, Starring Tennessee Ernie Ford as well as The Dinah Shore Chevy Show. He collaborated with Julie Andrews on a collection of Christmas carols in 1966, focusing on rarely heard carols. This popular album has been reissued many times over the years and is now available on CD. His main influences as a jazz pianist include Art Tatum, Hank Jones, Oscar Peterson, and Horace Silver. Previn's more recent work also shows the influence of Bill Evans. Previn has recorded solo classical piano compositions by Mozart, Gershwin, Poulenc, Shostakovich, an album for RCA with violinist Erick Friedman of the Franck and Debussy violin sonatas, and many chamber works for piano. In 1967, Previn succeeded John Barbirolli as music director of the Houston Symphony Orchestra. In 1968, he began his tenure as principal conductor of the London Symphony Orchestra , serving in that post until 1979. During his tenure, he and the appeared on the BBC Television programme André Previn's Music Night. From 1976 to 1984, he was music director of the Pittsburgh Symphony Orchestra and, in turn, had another television series with the entitled Previn and the Pittsburgh. He was also principal conductor of the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra from 1985 to 1988. "Like Young" is my favorite by Previn, and I'll present two versions; a purely instrumental and a vocal. The vocal gives the time away by the language; it was "beatnik", they're the old hippys before the new hippys, "can you dig it". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZKzTMr1M5E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCZxvAG5wHgEnjoy the music. |
Rok, I really appreciate that rundown on your exposure to Previn. I'm going to give everything you mentioned a serious listen and get back to you.
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Rok, Ceora is also one of my favorites by Lee, as well as anything with him and Pepper Adams. That deep baritone sax really compliments his trumpet.
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Rok, although I've heard the name, she's not in my collection. As fantastic a pianist as she was, she didn't play my kind of jazz, but, she could have if she wanted to. She was primarily an entertainer, and they had to display "showmanship" for the crowd; this is what paid the bills.
"Brazil" is such a beautiful and romantic tune, what is there not to like, and that version was especially so.
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