naked cables compared to rubber or plastic or leather Does the blindfold also need to be made from these materials? If so how will the test subject be able to communicate his or her opinion with a ball gag in their mouth? |
If cables make no difference then why is Mr. Flat Earth not allowing the challenger (the person defending the fact cables make a difference) to select the high end cable of his or her choice to pit against the Monster Cable?
Seems obvious to me.
LM |
Shadorne,
What I am suggesting is that some "high-end" read "expensive" cables are in fact not worth their asking price and do in fact offer a negligible price to performance ratio as well as lower then acceptable ultimate performance given their asking prices. SO if cables DO NOT MAKE A DIFFERENCE then it should not matter which high end (expensive) cable challenges the Monster Cable and the choice of which cable takes on the Monster should be in the hands (and ears) of the challenger; and not a "ringer cable" selected by a person looking to prove ALL HIGH CABLES ARE JIVE; who will then take his "challenge results" to smear the real high end cable players whose cables do make a huge difference. Again if cables do not matter then the cable that takes on the Monster should not matter either. But it does matter, then this proves that (some) cables do in fact make a significant difference.
If I were I taking this bet I would select Synergistic Research Precision Reference Active Speaker cable ($2800) or Synergistic Research Active Apex speaker cables ($4600). These cables are significantly better then any cable I have ever heard in my system and I have owned cables that were several times more expensive then Synergistic Research Tesla Series cables. Perhaps some high end cables are little more then "snake oil" but Synergistic Research Tesla cables represent a paradigm shift in audio playback that is easily heard when compared to other high end cables- I'll bet you.
LM |
>>>> perhaps the idea is to show that a rave review may not be as authentic as it is made out to be.<<<<
Shadorne,
I agree with you- a lot of mediocre and over priced cable and audio gear for that matter garners undeserved rave reviews however I doubt that this is the gist of this exercise. It will be interesting to follow the fall out after the challenge is met however I have an idea as to the outcome- most likely "my test proves once and for all that ALL high end ables are fraud"
Time will tell.
LM |
>>>I was recently a sucker for the cable hype<<<
Yet another nail in the coffin of excellence. If the champions of mediocrity can convince everyone (or just enough people) that cables, electronics, and speakers beyound the mass market level are "hype" then the market will be clear for overpriced, but less expensive then real quality products, to take over and the dumbing down of consumers will be complete. Perhaps someday not too far off boards will be full of people singing the praises of highly compressed audio broad cast wirelessly through their homes via iPods to plastic speakers with perfect measurements- with nothing of real substance to comair against the battle is won.
If anyone has ever read George Orwells 1984, think "Double Plus Good"
Good night and good luck,
LM |
Redwoodgarden,
I'm glad we have you and others like you to protect us from personal senses we should no longer trust- Thank you.
I would greatly appreciate your list of subjective elements to life, thought, art, literature, cuisine, beauty, or anything else you feel should be off limits to thought, individual discretion, and personal responsibility. It will be a glorious day indeed when we no longer have to think for our selfs and can instead entrust our lives to wiser, selfless, and enlightened people who have our best interests at heart.
LM |
Nice try Redwoodgarden- in my original blog to this thread I pointed out how Mr. Randi (Mr. Flat Earths) "challenge" is stacked against anyone who would challenge his basic premise that all cables sound pretty much alike when I wrote the following:
>>> why is Mr. Flat Earth not allowing the challenger (the person defending the fact cables make a difference) to select the high end cable of his or her choice to pit against the Monster Cable?<<<
I then acknowledged many cables are in fact hype and not worth their asking price. This plays to my point that the person defending the value of high(er) end cables should be able to select a cable of their choice to go up against The Monster due in large part to the fact most cables are not worth their asking price.
>>> SO if cables DO NOT MAKE A DIFFERENCE then it should not matter which high end (expensive) cable challenges the Monster Cable and the choice of which cable takes on the Monster should be in the hands (and ears) of the challenger; and not a "ringer cable" selected by a person looking to prove ALL HIGH CABLES ARE JIVE; who will then take his "challenge results" to smear the real high end cable players whose cables do make a huge difference.<<<
You chime in with all cables are a rip off:
>>> Or yet another dollar in the pocket of scammers...<<<
Why do people who purport all cables to sound alike or at best only slightly different have a problem with someone wanting to select a different cable to go up against The MONSTER? Moreover, why do they have a problem conducting the listening test in the system the listener wearing the blindfold is familiar with? After all, if all cables sound alike or too close to discern real differences why would the listening room, electronics, and challenge cable matter since they know ALL CABLES SOUND ALIKE?
Giving people who dont understand the true value of high resolution cables the benefit of the doubt one can only conclude these people do not have carefully set up systems or perhaps they have only tried overpriced mass market cables and are assuming their limited sample group is representative of all cables- an inductive argument at best. After all if you have only seen ten dogs in your life and all were brown, you could conclude, all dogs are brown. But to berate others who have seen red, yellow, or black dogs as insane or suggest the sun was in their eyes and therefore they should not trust what they saw is absurd. While trying to prove this point by preventing the person who lives in a neighborhood with dogs of different colors from presenting dogs in their neighborhood as proof only shows the frailty of their argument.
LM |
I am not upset but you have no idea how much a cable can contribute to the sound of a system. Switching to Synergistic Research Tesla cables was easily the single biggest and most clearly audible improvement I have ever made to a system. Comparatively speaking it was also one of the most cost effective improvements I have ever made.
You simply do not know what you are talking about and so you fall back on the argumentum ad hominem with nothing of substance to back up your claims.
LM |
Remember, the competing cable must sound better, not different. Coke is better, no Pepsi, no Coke, no Pepsi, no they are both exactally the same? Differences between cables are objective while "better" is subjective- how ironic. |
>>>Components clearly sound different and that is what I buy on. This can be repeated blind. Cables cannot.<<<
Perhaps you are listening to the wrong cables- I easily hear the difference. |
If cables all sound alike the why-
1. Why do we need to prove we have "paranormal" abilities before we can take the test? Is being paranormal a scientific variable for this "scientific" test? If so how do we prove this- winning Lottery numbers- LOL.
2. Why do we need to prove the cables sound "better" and not just different- who determines "better" and since when is better "scientific?"
2a. Is better not a "subjective" determination- how ironic or "moronic" in this case.
3. Why can we not select our cables- why are we forced to use a cable "ringer?"
4. Why can we not take the test in our own system that we are familiar with?
5. Why are we forced to run the cables through a switching box that will negate the differences between the cables being tested?
The answer is this is not a real test and that Mr. Flat Earth has no intention of paying out. |
Brizonbiovizier,
I understand your misperception- most cables are vaguely different at best. My cables are the Active Tesla cables from Synergistic Research and I can tell the difference 100% of the time when the active shields are turned on or off. I had a friend over and we did the blind test- sleeping eye mask on; in every instance I could plainly hear when the Active Shielding was turned on or off. I can also tell from outside my listening room. So much for your "theory". |
Brizonbiovizier I did not realize you were such an accomplished scientist. Perhaps I need to reconsider my stance- have I been duped by mass hypnosis? I wonder. Now why don't you address the following questions- surely a man of science, such as yourself, can shed needed light on the scientific method hiding in Mr. Randi's balanced challange. 12-17-07: Leica_man
If cables all sound alike the why-
1. Why do we need to prove we have "paranormal" abilities before we can take the test? Is being paranormal a scientific variable for this "scientific" test? If so how do we prove this- winning Lottery numbers- LOL.
2. Why do we need to prove the cables sound "better" and not just different- who determines "better" and since when is better "scientific?"
2a. Is better not a "subjective" determination- how ironic or "moronic" in this case.
3. Why can we not select our cables- why are we forced to use a cable "ringer?"
4. Why can we not take the test in our own system that we are familiar with?
5. Why are we forced to run the cables through a switching box that will negate the differences between the cables being tested? |
