Is there actually a difference?


Speakers sound different - that is very obvious. But I’ve never experienced a drastic change between amps. Disclaimer that I’ve never personally ABX tested any extremely high end gear.

With all these articles claiming every other budget amp is a "giant killer", I’ve been wondering if there has ever been blind tests done with amplifiers to see if human ears can consistently tell the difference. You can swear to yourself that they do sound different, but the mind is a powerful thing, and you can never be sure unless it’s a truly blind test.

One step further - even IF we actually can tell the difference and we can distinguish a certain amp 7/10 times under extreme scrutiny, is it really worth the thousands you are shelling out to get that nearly-imperceivable .01% increase in performance?

Not looking to stir up any heated debate. I’ve been in audio for several years now and have always thought about this.
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The only reason double blind tests exist is so naysayers and non-believers can say, “I bet it can’t pass a blind test.” Obviously any test is fraught with all manner of complications and error so you can’t really say a single blind test has any real significance, especially if the results are negative.
I see. You think amps that measure the same all sound the same. But you think amps that measure worse sound better than amps that measure better. Are you listening to yourself?
Try isolating the amps sometime. It’s a whole different ballgame. Kind of the difference between mid fi and the high end. Even the guy off the street can hear the difference then.  All the dudes, like the bullet headed guy from Stereo Review, who made those grand pronouncements that amps all sound about the same predated proper vibration isolation, which didn’t become a cause celebe until the late 90s, a perfectly valid reason people don’t hear differences in cables, either.
sktn77a
They have to do it over and over again to prove to the "golden ears" that there truly is no real difference!!!

>>>>You’re close. Very close! It’s actually to prove to themselves they’re not deaf and that it’s OK to have a mediocre system.
vtvmtodvm
@geoffkait —Well, I don't know the answer to your question, but, as (apocryphally) credited to Mark Twain…
“It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.”

So I guess some people always need more proof.

>>>>As PT Barnum was fond of saying,

”People would be generally much better off if they believed in too much rather than too little.”

abrew19
"Any yutz with ears can hear the difference between an amplifier before and after vibration isolation. Well, maybe not the bullet headed dude from Audio Review."

Do you mean Julian Hirsch from Stereo Review?

Audio Review. Stereo Review. Who else could it be?

Proved over and over in double blind tests? Then I guess it must be true.

Question: Why did they have to do the blind tests over and over again? Weren’t they convinced by the first test? 😳
Perhaps cultivate a group of friends with better hearing. 🤗 Fortunately audio tests don’t mean anything.

Any yutz with ears can hear the difference between an amplifier before and after vibration isolation. Well, maybe not the bullet headed dude from Audio Review.