Is soundstage DEPTH a myth?


Ok, help me out fellas. Is it a myth or what?

I’m a good listener, I listen deep into the music, and I feel like I have good ears. But I can’t confirm that I can hear soundstage depth. I can hear 1 instrument is louder, but this doesn’t help me to tell if something is more forward or more behind. Even in real life and 2 people are talking, I can’t honestly say I know which one is in front.

The one behind will sound less loud, but is that all there is to soundstage depth? I think the answer I’m looking for has to do with something I read recently. Something about depth exist only in the center in most system, the good systems has depth all around the soundstage.

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In the real world ---- not the make-believe world of the recording engineer [I can say this because I was one] --- musical instruments and the human voice have special characteristics depending on your proximity to them.  The degree of warmth that you perceive increases as you become closer to them.  It is that degree of warmth that subtly informs the listener as to the distance [thus the depth] from which the listener is located from the performer [vocalist or instrumentalist].  I once had the Concertmaster [Principal Violinist] of my orchestra [an earlier career] complain that no recording ever represented his conception of his own playing.  When I pointed out that his instrument was clamped between his chin and his collarbone and that HE heard characteristics of his instrument that NOONE else COULD hear because of the direct conduit to his ear, he nodded and agreed.  He was as close as one can get to the source of the music.   Most recordings are the recording engineer's idea of what you should hear and are compromised in ways that we can't imagine.  Orchestral music was hilariously interpreted by the engineers at Columbia Records when every solo instrument was represented in what I like to call a "Totem Pole" in that every solo instrument was dead center, one on top of the other !  With a twist of a "Pan" control, any input can be moved across the room and that vocalist who was sitting next to the pianist can quickly be moved next to the bass player.  Commercial albums in which the performers are actually contributing from different cities are magically mixed by the engineer into a hopefully agreeable combination of sound.  Some are obviously suspect and others are wonderful.  We haven't heard the "real thing" since 78RPM recordings were recorded in one take with zero editing.

 

"Hypoman" made a comment about "eye candy" often being placed between loudspeakers and how distracting it can be.  I once owned a gorgeous pair of B&W 801 speakers finished in Rosewood and sold them to buy the exact same speaker in black because the beauty of the rosewood was so distracting. It may sound crazy, but I swear I was able to listen more deeply without that "eye candy" present.

Comments about recording engineers remind me of the old joke about medical doctors :  "What do they call the doctor who graduates last in his class in medical school"? ------------ Answer: "Doctor".   I believe the same applies to graduates of recording engineer schools !   Just because you have a degree doesn't mean you are good at what you do.  My favorite recording engineer is George Massenburg.

Comments about "ordinary" audio systems and using your brain to compensate for the system's shortcomings remind me of the dozens of fine musicians I know whose audio systems are positively horrendous !   They simply say that they can fill in whatever information is missing by "hearing" it the way that they want to hear it !  A great audio system is really just "the icing on the cake" to them.  Really !