is it possible to make digital audio sound like vintage vinyl

sam here for some reason i could not see my public post until now?

i use the word vintage vinyl because to my ears new remastered vinyl sounds different and here’s how i can describe it

vintage vinyl = stereo + stereo depth perception. (soundstage}

new remastered vinyl = stereo + mono depth perception.

digital audio = stereo + mono depth perception.

digital audio + vintage vinyl frequency impulse = stereo + stereo depth perception

stereo depth perception is a made up word i use to describe what i’m hearing. and this is what i like about vintage vinyl. i’m not talking at all about tone just stereo depth perception. if new vinyl had stereo depth perception i would be very happy.

if the master tape is transferred to digital it should have stereo depth perception and it doesn’t?

if i transfer vintage vinyl to digital it does have stereo depth perception ?

this tells me the record company did something on purpose to convert the stereo depth perception to mono depth perception on both the digital copy and the remastered vinyl?

if i import vintage vinyl into izotope rx5 software and use the automated phase button both the left and right channels will now have the same phasing and i no longer have stereo depth perception and the audio sounds just like new remastered vinyl. if i import digital audio and do independent phase correction one channel at a time using auto phase correction, 99% of the time the phasing will be different for each channel and if then process the audio that way i will now have stereo depth perception just like vintage vinyl. and if i use the auto phase on both channels together the phase is always the same giving me mono depth perception.

when i check digital audio run through the impulse file with foobar2000 using the convolver dsp filter 99% of the time the left and right channel phasing is different and when i check the original commercial digital file before applying the impulse and the phasing is always the same?

here is the 1 second impulse file i created using vintage vinyl frequencies extracted at 32 / 88 wav for the convolver dsp filter for foobar2000 in case anybody wants to run there own test. i used the surface noise intro to pink floyds us and them before the music starts as the source 1973 1st press harvest label with the volume turned all the way off (0) for some reason when dealing with frequencies i lose the sound if there is any volume at all. here is a photo of my impulse settings for foobar2000 conolver dsp filter https://postimg.cc/sBtCffpY
here is the download link for the impuse file i'm calling digital vinyl http://pc.cd/Gcl7

sam here at 58 years old i grew up on vintage vinyl and am very familiar with the sound of vintage vinyl however when i switched to cd in the 90’s i never thought about it until many years later when i heard a vintage vinyl rip of styx the grand illusion on youtube and all the memory’s came back so i grabbed my cd version to compare and sure enough the vintage vinyl version seemed to turn on a switch in my brain that the cd version did not? i now realize what i was experiencing was the hypersonic effect and digital audio with mono depth perception will not create this effect in the brain ? and i believe it was designed that way friends. and new remastered vinyl to my ears does not create the hypersonic effect because of the mono depth perception

sam here when i made this post i was referring to a very specific sound that vinyl creates and i don’t care what kind of turntable setup you have there is an indefinable sound and that’s what i was trying to create. no i don’t think i’m there yet however i will keep trying and posting my before/after results to get feedback from the experts. i suppose if i was less nieve i would just accept the facts and move on however i can’t help but believe i will one day hit on the magic combination friends.

sam here,something else i noticed that i believe is hampering my efforts at making digital audio sound more like vintage vinyl              https://postimg.cc/LJQZYNF2 

and even when you lower the volume on the digital file the compression remains?

for some reason when the audio has more dynamic range as with vintage vinyl the sound stage is more open with less distortion.

 i believe if i can remove the digital compression this will get me closer to the sound of vintage vinyl.

i have tried numerous denoisers and declippers however they seem to make the audio sound worse? or at best different like somethings missing?

after doing some experimenting i stumbled upon a free foobar2000 filter called IIR dsp plugin. it has a preset called allpass  and when i run the digital audio through the allpass filter the digital compression is gone.

i'm not sure what the intended purpose of this filter is? the difference in the before/after sound quality is amazing here are my settings for the filter. https://postimg.cc/jCbxQmTv

i had to use replay gain to prevent clipping due to the increase in dynamic range. to check that my results are correct i ran another test using the worst loudness war offender i could find. metallica death magnetic. https://postimg.cc/bSvSYwzY

before waveform: https://postimg.cc/VdKvL8T5

allpass filter applied: https://postimg.cc/NLYRKQNx

sam here again and this time i made an impulse file for processing digital audio from an 8-track tape from 1978 100% analog not sure if any of that sound was transferred to the digital album. due to the placebo effect i’m not sure if it made any difference please listen to before/after and let me know if you can hear any difference when the 8-track impulse filter i made was applied to sample (2) and if so did i make it sound worse?

original. http://u.pc.cd/wDF

impulse. http://u.pc.cd/Ag2ctalK

vinyl (2006) http://u.pc.cd/hs7otalK

sam here. how can digital sound as good as vinyl? 

the eagles - the long run, 1979 1st press vinyl,average dynamic range 15

the eagles - the long run,CD version 2000 average dynamic range 8

i don't care what anyone says 7db difference in real dynamic range is like comparing mono to stereo!

universal music group (umg) owns an estimated 98% of all music played and it's all brick wall limited to destroy the sound quality and the hypersonic effect look it up friends.

sam here and let me say that i hate the side effects of vintage vinyl (1970's) however the sound is alive . i have not tried an expensive dac and that might be an answer?

the fact that vinyl can't be brick wall compressed for the loudness wars has a lot to do with vinyl sounding alive? 

 i downloaded a digital rip of a vintage vinyl record with a song on that record that represents the exact sound i'm looking for. not the song itself but the tone and the sound stage here is the hi-res vinyl rip.
http://u.pc.cd/xUYrtalK  now here is the commercial digital download of the same song. http://u.pc.cd/QzrctalK   the vinyl version has a dynamic range (12) digital version (5) that has to effect the sound quality? the digital version is unlistenable to my ears.

thanks geoffkait for the info. they say 99% of new vinyl is cut from the cd master at 16/44 so it looks like new vinyl is fake vinyl? my question is why? there is no other reason for the loudness wars except it's done on purpose and world class producers do as there told? take the money and run

sam here and the fact is record companies no longer make a separate master for vinyl duplication claiming it cost too much money? almost all vintage vinyl re-issues are cut from the cd master with brick wall compression for the loudness wars making the new vinyl not any better than the digital version! geoffkait called it for the way it is. let’s face the facts. have you ever compared a vintage vinyl record to the remastered version? 

sam here and i'm not an expert on vinyl however  Regardless of what you may have been told, most vinyl these days is cut directly from a CD production master – and it’s been that way for years.
https://productionadvice.co.uk/vinyl-mastering/
owning that much vinyl mikelavigne i'm sure you must be aware of the difference in sound quality between new vinyl and original pressing of the same album. there is way too much evidence to prove that new vinyl is over compressed with much lower dynamic range than an original pressing? and i believe this is on purpose.

thank you headio however i found the solution to my problem i have a 1st press vinyl rip that has the sound i'm looking for and after encoding the frequencies from the vinyl record onto digital audio i now have digital vinyl and the sound is perfect. here is an audio example before/after digital flac 16/44

commercial release http://u.pc.cd/IuOitalK

commercial release with vinyl frequencies http://u.pc.cd/ilO7