The cardas speaker cables are used . i have had them since firday and played them 20 hours or so |
I turned 51 on April 3rd
Yikes.
Its hard to deny being old after you turn 50 |
@Audiolabyrinth. I can't use XLR . Those are XLR. I need RCA.
Thanks for letting me know |
I wouldn't mine trying those AZ Absolute copper , But they are out of my price range.!
I'll keep my eyes open for the Air 1 or the One to try first,used of course . |
@ Audiolabyrinth
I would be willing to sell body parts or organs for a Krell FPB700cx. That amp is at the top of my list should I win the lottery, or somehow come into some money. |
05-16-13: Audiolabyrinth
The Blues virtoso was cool!
That would be Ronnie Earl and The Boradcasters- Blues Virtuoso. Glad you liked it . |
@Audiolabyrinth
Not Much. Sitting inside watching it rain today.
Are you itching for your Krell to be back to you yet ?
Are you having withdrawals yet ? |
I am hoping that After i win that 1.7 Million in Mondays drawing, that is up for grabs in the Tennessee Cash Lottery, i will be able to buy those Tara "The Omega Gold " Speaker cables . Waxwaves you better get you a ticket ! |
My sytem is Sony CDP-M555-ES cd player
Marantz SR5003 as a pre-amp
Emotiva LPA-1 amp
Speakers are Source Technology 8211HD
Currently using Golden Cross ICs from cdplayer to Marantz, also Golden Cross IC from Marantz To amp.
I am actually Bi-amping the speakers
using Synergistic Research #2 on the bass(bottom) and NOW Cardas Golden Cross Speaker cables on the Top
Sourcespeaker .com
I like the sound except they are much less dynamic than The DhLabs Q10 speaker cables i was using on the top.
they bass is not as well defined and transients seem much more rolled off or smoothed out .
I wanted to see if i could find an IC between the Cd player and Marantz to replace the Golden Cross first, and see how that worked with the current Golden Cross Speaker cables - I got them used at a real good price .
I was considering Audioquest Anaconda IC or Maybe Audience AU24e. I want better dynamics and better bass slam. The bass or (midbass really) is kind of rounded sounding now .
Thanks,
Dennis |
Sorry for the slow resonse. I just created my syatem for everyone to see. Thank you for all of the replies . I will try some of the IC reccomendations . |
Ia m open to cost but don't want to spend thousands . I prefer to spend 500-600 on used ones. i will need a 1 meter pair |
The Golden cross Speaker cables are used cables . Surely they don'yt need 300 ours .? |
I will keep my eyes peeled for some tara labs air 1 or JPs Superconductor 3 to try first |
Waxwaves, Its funny that you say that . I am in the process of acquiring some of those . The deal should be done today . I will use them between the CD Player and Pre,first . If I really like them , i will try some from pre to amp. Thanks you . |
Well it seems that the Golden CFross Speaker cables ,even used, require more playing time than i expected. They are sounding better now. Still a little Full sounding, but beleive it or not ,I am hearing more detail than with the Q10s . Symbols especially were setback or Recessed with the Q10s. That Frequency range is much better with the Golden cross speaker cables.
The other thing that i noticed is, that when i walk into another room ,away from the system , I can hear the Music much clearer, whereas with the Q10s the sound was not as clear in other areas of the house ,when you went out of the room. I could always hear the bass before but now vocals and other mid to high frequencies seem to travel farther with clarity .
I actually put the Q10s on the bottom of the speakers , since i am bi-amping and took the Synergistic #2 s out .
Then , since the Synergistics are banannas i have now put them on the botton With the Q10s ,since the q10s are spades ..... I am liking it . My sub is a SVS PB12 Plus/2. Great for movies but i prefer to play my music in Source Direct without a sub . My speakers are very capable, especially with those Synergistics on the bottom. I Haven't found anything better for the Bass.
I am still waiting on the deal for the Analysis Plus Solo Crystal Oval interconnects .
Yersterday, i had worked out an agreement thru eamils with the seller on a price for them BUT today i have not gotten a response from the seller at all. ?????
Maybe they are trying to back out.? If so, then i would like to go for Some Tara Labs Air 1 interconects . I need 1 meter. I want to buy used and need RCA. If anyone knows of any ,please let me know .
Thanks to ALL for your help . This Forum has the Most Knowledgeable people , and I am VERY Grateful for that
Thanks Again,
Dennis |
The deal on the Solo Crystal Ovals went through last night.
I will still try the Tara Labs Air 1 or 2 if i can find used . I do not want to pay want they go for new.
Jmcgrogan2 That link doesn't send me to any taralabs . I guess they are gone ? |
Oh BTW If anyone is Bi Amping. there is some Synergistic Research Signature #2 cables on Audiogon . They are the best that i have found for bass. they are specifically made for bass.
http://app.audiogon.com/listings/speaker-synergistic-research-signature-no-2-signature-6ft-and-8ft-2013-02-09-cables-77096-houston-tx |
@Jmcgrogan2 I don't think the moderator took it down . It is not on Sound Offers anymore .
OOps i just checked and they were re-lsited 4 hours ago.
Whew they are pricey ! $1500 MSRP new asking $600
the listing does not specify the length |
@Tls49
You might be surprised at what pricey cables can do for a sytem that is not high end ...like mine . I bought the Golden Cross IC 4 Meter pair used ($300), sent them to Cardas ,had them Authenticated and cut up into 4 pairs.
And believe it or not i got the Golden Cross Speaker Cables 8 ft pair for ($500)
I just got lucky and keep my eyes peeled |
Jmcgrogan2
I just bough the Analysis Plus Solo Crystal Ovals. They are brand new in the box ,so they will take considerable break in, from what i am hearing . I will try them first before i buy the Tara. Thanks for your help . I'll hope they are still there by then . If not I'll keep my eyes peeled. |
And , in the end , I may end up with the Tara . I am going to try this , and go from there . Thanks again |
I would love to try them, BUT, i have to have 8 (Eight) FEET LONG ,
Minimum.
Anyone else have experience with the Tara Labs The 1
Speaker cables ?
Thanks, again
If you find any 8 ft long , let me know . |
To be Honest . The Golden Cross Speaker Cables are sounding Excellent now .
They finally opened up and don't sound nearly as congested as they did . Great highs, not at all bright, more extended than the Q10s (cymbals were very recessed with the Q10s). they are also less forward sounding than the Q10s. .
The bass may not be quite as good as with the Q10s. The mids are Great and that nasty sharp bite that i had in the lower highs or upper mids with Q10s is GONE.
Really good recordings sound awesome.
I will still give the Analysis Plus a try. They should be here by Wednesday , i hope . |
@TIs49
"I have experienced how cables can alter sound, better, worse, and sometimes just different, but don't understand why someone would use cables that are more expensive than the equipment. Makes better sense to spend the money on better equipment"
This weas your quote
So let me just respond and say that
"you do not have to understand ."
And the cables do not cost more than the equipment |
I do not and did not think anyone here was a pusher of a certain cable.
I do believe everyone was trying to be helpful and honest , except Tls49
. I do not understand why he made the comments that he did.
I do realize that the cables are costly compared to the components, but i truly believe great cables can help a budget sytem like mine. i am hearing it with the Cardas Golden Cross speaker cables . i do believe and hv e experienced that even used cables, especially some of the Cardas take a long time of Running in to sound there best. i experienced that first hand when i initially installed the Golde Cross ICs. I really had a hard time believing that used cables needed quite a bit of run time . But i experienced it first hand and know that it is true .
the Golden Cross are sounded more and more clear everyday .
I thought initially there were muddy and kind of setback in the mids and highs... Not so much anymore.
The Analysis Plus should be here tomorrow. The seller created a shipping label , initially on the 1st , but they never got shipped.
They were Re-Sent yesterday and show that they will deliver tomorrow.
Thanks agian to all for the help.
i will post the results of the Solo Crystal Ovals... Soon |
I have been dying to try some KCI Silkworms .. but they are Pricey |
I agree with Audiolabyrinth.
here is his post in a different thread.
Sorry ,I didn't mean to call you out . I was just trying to add to my disagreement of Tls49s comments
"02-14-13: Audiolabyrinth
this is an interesting forum!I do not know what systems Hifinut604 did test on,I will say I have done the same test with complete oppisite outcome!I even went further with the test than hifinut604 did,$.50cent i/c and $1.00 a foot speaker cable. I can here a huge diference between a $4,000.00 speaker cable and the cheap one,and the same effect with the cheap i/c and a $2,800.00,It was like going from a bycycle to a ferrai!LoL! with all the years I have done test, I believe the cables should cost way more than most eanything in your system,if you know what your doing!,one of my test was a $300.00 yamaha cd-player with resonance control on top and bottom with a $4,000.00 I/C,, woh and behold this out performed a spectral amp,cd-player,and pre-amp with lesser quality cables,,A whole lot of people were laughing! then there was the silence,I thought I about made them cry when they heard the yamaha player with better cables!,very true story!" |
Thank You Tls49
I appreciate that . I will keep an eye open for those and try them.
I completely understand about being cantankerous old man.
I will be 51 this April ,and i sometimes have to hold off on posting or replying quickly to someone that i do not agree with.(I have to bite my tongue).
Now in my old age I have learned to wait a while and try to be diplomatic about it , although I am not always.
Well the Solo Crystal Ovals will not deliver until tomorrow. (Weather delays ).
I harbor no hard feelings on your comments prior. |
Wow, What a cool story !! |
Well i am bi-amping. When i say that i am using Golden Cross ICs from pre-amp to amp on both channels for each speaker . The way i said it makes it sound like i am talking about speaker cables because i said that i am using GC ics on the top and the bottom of each speaker .
I should have said that i am using the Golden crocc ICs for the input channels from pre-amp to amp channels . I am using one amp channel for the top of each speaker (L/R)and an amp channel for the Bottom odf each speaker (L/R)
I total of four amp channels for Front Left and Right speakers . I am using Golden Cross ICs on all four channels fromj pre-amp to amp.
Sorry for the confusion |
looks like you can put your items in your cart at his website and pay with paypal . I did not go as far as paying
So i am thinking .. Yes |
@Jmcgrogan2
Can you ezxplain the differences between the DH Labs Q10 speaker cables Versus the Tara Air 1 .I think you said that you owned both .
Thanks |
Boy, I sure would love to own something like that(VAC Phi 300.1a) too. I have often wanted tubes just for Music .
The biggest reason that i haven't looked into a better two channel sytem is two fold . First of , I like full range speakers better than Monitors with a sub. 2nd ,I also can't give up my Home Theater for a 2 channel setup. So.. I tried to find a reasonable trade off.
I play all of my music, whether it be Cds or even Pandora from Directv,(Which really doesn't sound too bad) , in Souce Direct or Direct mode , without any processing. This way there is only ONE Digital to analog conversion.
If i use a sub for music then I would have to have the signal processed because of the Inherent delay that all subs have. Most processors nowadays can take care of this (Audyssey). But to me it usually sounds better without all of the additional processing to sync with the delay of the sub.
Also , if i use analog out from the Source then there is one Analog to Digital conversion , and then a Digital back to Analog.
I always have found that the less processing of the signal the better the sound .
I also think my Cd Players Dac (Sony CDP-M555ES) is better than the DAC in my processor Marantz SR5003) . I believe most Cd player dacs are usually better than Most Processor dacs . In my case I know it is . I have tried .
I hope this makes a liitle sense .
I know it is difficult to explain clearly and concisley . |
Ok Everybody, I need your expertise on one more thing. I am Bi-amping my speakers . Currently I am using Golden Cross ICs from pre-amp to amp. I am using them on the top
(8" Midrange woofer and Vifa DX25-TG05 tweeter ) and also on the bottom (one 8 " Woofer) .
It seems to me that it is quite a waste to use Golden Cross on the bottom. Is there an IC that is Great on bass alone .
I know some of the monster cables , that are relatively cheap, do bass very well.
Also would it be wise to use a sub specific cable . Keep in mind that the Woofer is crossed over at 150 HZ
Here is the Specs
http://www.sourcespeaker.com/8211CWC-2.html |
I was asking about Interconnects from the pre to amp.
Is the M1 an iterconnect ? ...cause it comes up as speaker cable . |
My last question here was asking which interconnect should i use for the pre-amp to amp on the bass cahhels . I am bi-amping . This is for the pre-amp to amp ( the bass channels to the speaker) .they are crossed over @ 150 hz . So the signal from the amp to the speaker will only be 150 hz and below .
What i am using now is Golden Cross ICs. That seems a waste for 150hz and below .i was asking for some suggested ICs That are good for Bass (Tight and defined is what i am looking for ). The speaker cables for the bass are DH Labs Q10s put together with Synergistic Research #2s. Both are used together , right now |
one amp with four channles for two speakers |
Audiolabyrinth , #1. My Amp is not powerful enough to drive these speakers to the level i want without bi-amping.
I tried running this way with jumpers and two amp channels instead of four . #2 The sound is more open sounding and dynamic when i am bi-amping. #3 My system is a little bright for music ,that is one reason for using the Golden Cross. #4 I tried the Analysis Plus Solo Crystal Oval interconnect from CD player to pre-amp ans they are too forward to my liking, also less bass than the Golden Cross ICs and a little bright sounding on some stuff, not bad mind you, I am sure that is more attributed to my sytem more than anything. I would say the AP solo crystal are probably more accurate but also very revealing .
SOOOOO . I'll keep on the lookout for some Tara the one ICs to try. Before i make a final decision on whether too keep the Golden Cross Speaker cables, I will try the Q10 speaker cables back in place of the Golden Cross.
Thanks for the Recommendations.
I Think the Taralabs the one speaker cables out out of my price range . |
Tls49
I have used identical cables with the Q10 and with some previous 12gauge cheap stuff.
Thw Q10 is setup for bi-amping(4 terminals on each end ).I had been doubling up the four connections into two when they were on top and the Synergistics on the bottom. originally i was running the q10s top and bottom |
well, i did not give them a full 200 hours , but about 100 hours.
Audiolabyrinth, i am not using any jumpers ??? i don't know if you do not understand what bi-amping is or not ??
you keep talking about jumpers vs bi-amping ???
Any sopeaker that has more than one set of terminals will require jumpers ,and that is the way most people run them.
My amp only puts out 120 watts per channel into 8 ohms .???? |
Well, I put the Q10 Speaker cables back in on the top . I ran Audyssey again , even though i play music in direct mode,without sub. The Audyssey corrections are not supposed to be applied in this situation, but i believe it actually does. I always tended to have some upper mids to lower highs that were sometimes sharp sounding , especially noticable on certain recordings.
I have a feeling that Audysesey contributed to this. When i re-ran it again after putting in the Q10s, I made sure that the mic was slightly tilted toward the front. This time most of the sharpness is GONE. yippee.
I will be putting the Golden Cross Speaker cables up for sale as well as the Analysis plus Solo crystal Oval interconnects.
Thanks again to everyone for your help. |
Audiolabyrinth
Click on me "Grey9hound"
its in My System |
Thanks again to all for the recommendations and the help.
@Audiolabyrinth. -- I am not going to use jumpers on my speakers. I am going to continue t bi-amp them, unless i get a more powerful amp, which i have not planned on yet . I have considered the Nad M25 in the Future. There is no way i can afford the Tara labs speaker cables, and i really do not want to go the adapter route from XLR to RCA for the ICs either.
I want to hear Waxwaves thoughts on the Air1 ICs.
please Please waxwaves , post your opinion of them here.
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@Waxwaves . You should put them between the Souce and the pre-amp first . That should be where you would hear thee differemnces the most |
ICs are MOST noticable between source and pre-amp.
Any one agree? |
@Audiolabyrinth
My amp is 125 into 8 ohms and 225 into 4 ohms. THD is .04%
29db Gain |
Audiolabyrinth
I am here . i was just busy this past weekend.
Waxwaves
Did you get the cable yet ?
When you do , would you try it between the cd player and pre-amp . I think most systems would allow you to hear more differences in that position.
I know whenever i have tested ics , i was always able to tell a bigger difference between the Source and the Pre.
Differences were not as noticable from pre to amp ,, for me anyway .
Thanks |
Waxwaves
I am waiting for you review. I look forrward to it . Thanks to you and Audiolabyrinth for all of your insight |
Audiolabyrinth
I am here . I have been trying to fix a problem with one of my Sony CDP-M555ES cd players . it has started not being able to find the disc location and spins around back and forth searching for the right disc # . It plays fine until after about 30 minutes or so when it starts actind up.
I purchased a replacement CDP-M333ES. the only diference from the 555 is it doesn't have video out for the song tilte and artist display , on the TV like the 555.
I really did not use it that(menus to tv ) much anyway.
i have been re- loading in each disc artist and the title of the disc and the categoryinto the 333es. Very labor intensive , although it does accept a keyboard which helps a lot.
It will recognize cd text but id you don't have artist and genre put in you can't play by artist or genre.
I really have been thinking about using a pc as a server and running through a pc with jriver media or windows media out to the tv for display.
Are any of you guys doin' that ? |
Wow . Thanks Waxwaves for the initiall impressions of the Air 1. they sound like they are very good. I will consider the McCormack amps. |
