Hwy: this is the second post mentioning the availability of the AR integrated being available used at around $1500.00. I see them more in the $2300.00 to 2500.00 price range. I do however see the Conrad Johnson CAV50 used in the $1700.00 to 1850.00 range occasionaly. Of the three including the Rouge's I have only auditioned the CJ amp which I enjoyed (had a less modern "less clinical" sound) and thought was very musical. I did listen to the AR once, but just very briefly. AES (Cary) made an intergrated (a couple of years ago) that retailed for around $1500.00, is anyone familiar with it? There is also the Moon SS integrated that retails for around $1300.00 (I think). Also the Audion pseudo SET (12 watts per) amp the Sterling, that has a volume pot and can run one source without the addition of a preamp ($1100.00 to 1200.00 new). The Sterling will also accept a wide variety (different types) of output tubes. In another thread Dragon is also looking for a quality (detailed) tube integrated in/around the $1000.00 to $1500.00 price range. There might be more info there.