Insane ground loop; anybody wanna try?


I have a ground loop that's been killing me for weeks. I've tried several things to limited or no success. I've written to Mike Sanders at Quicksilver, but I'm a little chagrined to keep asking him questions that aren't really the fault of his gear.

Anybody want to have a go at solving this puzzle? It's driving me nuts, and I'd be grateful for any help.

Relevant equipment:
Rowland Capri preamp
Quicksilver Silver 60 mono amps (EL34)
Sunfire True Sub

Amps, preamp, and sub are all plugged into a Monster 2000, so everything shares a common wall outlet.
Plugging the amps into separate wall outlets has little effect either way.
Amps are damn near dead-quiet with no input, so it's shouldn't be the transformers or the tubes.

Amps plugged in to the preamp (shielded DH Labs RCA cables) hum, and the sub does too. Swapping cables has no effect.
Unplugging and reconnecting sources (a turntable and a Mac Mini via a Schiit DAC) has no effect.
Unplugging the sub has little effect (except it eliminates the hum in the sub, haha).

Lifting the ground on the amps reduces the hum — by about half, but definitely not completely.
A Hum-X has no (or very little) effect, whether placed on the preamp, an amp, or the sub.

For obvious reasons I don't want to lift the ground on the amps permanently.

I'm not an electrical engineer, but I'm a logical guy.

Ideas? I'm open to any with two requests: First, if you don't know something for sure, please say so. I don't want to play in electron traffic because somebody just guessed at a solution. And second, if you disagree with somebody, don't call him names, okay? There's more than enough gratuitous meanness in the world right now without insulting people over stereo equipment. Thanks.
pbraverman

Showing 4 responses by toddverrone

What about some history? Has this combo ever been hum free together? Is this pre new to you? Did you changed anything at all before the hum started? Sorry, I know these are basic questions, but if you're at all like me, you'll be searching down rabbit holes for days, just to realize the answer was right where you had started.
If you look at your breaker panel, there will be a column of breakers on the right and one on the left. Each column is a different phase. So it could be a problem if you had an outlet in your room connected to a circuit coming from the left column and a different outlet on a circuit on the right side and then you connected your components to both of those outlets, willy nilly. The power sine waves are shifted relative to each other (180* I think) so that they don’t line up...

Have you checked the connections in the panel (if you’re knowledgeable enough to do this without killing yourself)? It seems it could be a loose/dirty neutral or ground within the service itself.

I second the idea that it would be possibly useful to know which phase the three different locations are on. Particularly if location 1&2 are on a different phase than 3.
Man, what a brain trust!

When I mentioned loose or dirty connection, I was thinking of the connections inside the panel. So the connection where neutral connects to the neutral bus, hot to the hot bus, ground to the ground bus. If you open the panel and shut off the main service breaker, you’ll be able to loosen then re-tighten the connections.

It does sound like a ground loop, though one that is related to the branch circuit it’s on. Which is weird.