Informed/Insightful information requested on Tannoy GRF loudspeakers


I respect this forum and that's why I opened this discussion.  I live nowhere close to any Tannoy sales/distribution point and have never listened to any of their speakers.  Those of you who have, may be able to provide me invaluable insights.  I am very interested in purchasing a pair of new GRF speakers, as UpScale Audio is having a sale to finally clear out all remaining Tannoy stock, as they are no longer the North American distributor.  I WANT, but don't really NEED this pair of speakers; but I am so into the history of the Tannoy brand, up to the point it turned into a Chinese asset/moreless....build quality is way down; production turns out more blems than A Stock....so I am just asking anyone who's listened, heard, or own a dual concentric speaker, especially the limited production GRF90 or it's follow on GRF speaker, to provide me their insights.  I've purchased speakers before without listening to them, such as Klipsch Hersey3 and Klipschorn AK6s; which i enjoy; but not sold on them for reference.  I recently listened to Wilson Audio SashaV's for about 4 visits to the stereo store....and i bought them....and I love them............BUT....the Tannoys still interst me; maybe for a 2nd audio room for different or refined listening; or just a new experience.  Thinking about dropping about $13500 on a new pair, without hearing them, concerns me; most people tell me "it's a different sound; more detailed and warm" and such things....this forum always seems real....and i can take the good, bad and the ugly of what comments may come forward, but I will appreciate ALL of them as they will guide my decision....i've learned; the two pair of Klipsch speakers are in storage; the pair of Bose 901s as well........I would hate to purchase Tannoys and they be dust collectors somewhere.  Thanks in advance to everyone who provides guidance...i have maybe 25 years left in this life and retirement approaches, and I get so much pleasure out of my stereo system....and music will help, if the speakers are great...which i hope them to be.........I do love my Wilson Audio speakers for sure....Thanks all....

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Nice, you've already got lots of tubes; Tannoys will like that :)
Lots and lots of KT120 is a particular favorite of mine; yep 16 will do it! 

For what it's worth the Prestige cabinets have been built in a Polish factory for many years, not Scotland - I didn't know that either until recently. Fyne cabinets are built in the same factory! And the Poles do a great job IMO; I Iove my Tannoy cabinets.

The Drivers were built in Scotland / UK until ~ 2018 ish? But don't fret; I actually have a set of Kensington GR drivers made in China and they sound great and are built to the exact same spec as before. All my other drivers were made in UK. I don't consider the Chinese drivers any less.

The history of Tannoy is long and admirable; the legacy lives on with the wonderful sound these speakers - new and old - still produce today!

That said, if I'm in your shoes with that money, I'd probably wait until one of the following models pops up for a good deal, from a seller that can pack & ship them properly via freight (e.g. TMR):

  • Canterbury SE or GR - Preferable but usually more expensive
  • Glenair - Comes in 10" and 15" verions; the 15" benefits greatl;y from a crossover fix/upgrade
  • Churchill

All of these have a 15" driver. The Canterbury is the only one with pepperpot/alnico. The others are tulip waveguide/ferrous. All of these have what I'd consider a "good" Tannoy voicing, with the Genair and Churchill being more neutral and Canterbury SE being warmest. 

I think you posted this question on the Tannoy FB forum. Anyways, just be aware the GRF90 is a little different than the Prestige models above & below it. It has rear reflex porting, which makes for amazing bass output, but perhaps at the slight expense of the vibrant, sweet & rich midrange you’ll get with Kensington (below) or Canterbury (above). I’m basing this on my own experience with Yorkminster SE (GRF’s 12" predecessor which has the same acoustic configuration despite very different looks), plus user reports on GRF90 which are inline with what I heard in the Yorks. 

The other Tannoys use front "vented" cabinets, which is really an "Onken" type configuration (multiple ports at various lengths to spread out the response). The Yorks still sounded great to me (compared to my Kensington SE at that time), but I wished for a sweeter midrange and so went to Canterbury SE as my upgrade at the time (and later Canterbury GR). The bass was amazing though - best I’ve ever heard in a Tannoy. Better than even Canterbury GR.

If I’d kept the Yorks, I would’ve looked for a lusher tube amp to sweeten those mids. 

The premium 12" pepperpot driver gives you a sonic image that’s between that of the 10" and 15". The 15" Canterbury renders a very large-sized image with a lot of vibrance; it’s lush and warm and has fantastic midbass but roll soff before the very lowest notes. The Yorkminster (and therefore GRF90) goes deeper for sure. But there’s really nothing like the immersion factor of that 15" driver, which is why some Tannoy aficionados won’t accept anything smaller!

I am a longtime Tannoy fanboy, have 7 (or is it 8?) pairs now, and possibly won’t buy anything else for the rest of my life. So if I have a choice of GRF90 versus another brand? GRF90, for sure. But within the Tannoy line - I’m definitely choosing Canterbury first, then maaaybe Kensington. 

These pepperpot models (Kensington, Yorkminster, GRF90, Canterbury, Westminster) are also very detailed (especially the 12") and very sensitive to gear partners! You do NOT want harsh / bright / etched components partnered to any GR series Tannoy - they are unforgiving to this. Tubes are always a good choice. These Tannoys should also be way, way more refined than Klipsch.

You will no doubt get recommendations to look at Fyne instead. But they are now very expensive and have abandonded some of the traditional features that made the top of Prestige line special: paper/pulp cones, treated textile surrounds, pepperpot tweeter with huge alnico "omni" magnet. I also vastly prefer the traditional styling of Tannoy Prestige cabinets to what Fyne is doing (even in their own Classic and Vintage lines). The GRF90 in particular is quite gorgeous! No Fyne looks half that good, IMO.