Infinity RS 2.5 speaker placement


Hello all,

I've been trying to find the perfect spot for these old behemoths. I have tried the Cardas website, but the formula doesn't seem to work perfectly for these, maybe because they are a mix of cone woofers and the mylar? mids and tweets. He suggest toe in for all speakers while the infinity set up manual says to keep them parallel. Room is approximately 11'x20'x8' rectangle. Big window in front that has been covered and also some crochet blankets on the walls to try and soften things up a bit. I'm looking for the best imaging and soundstage I can get out of these. Any help is greatly appreciated. Btw, it's not bad by any means, just trying to find the best way to set up these speakers.
sswanny_1

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I will give that a try Russ. I moved the audio rack and coffee table out of the listening area as well to see if that has an impact.
For the narrow width of this room, I ended up with the speakers about 14" from the side walls and 24" from the back wall and toed in approx 30 degrees. Maybe I can leave it alone for a while :)
They get about 450 watts a piece from an edge nl-10, so no current problems. I have them 5'2" to the center of the woofer from the back wall and laid out by the cardas formula. I will just have to fine tune it by ear. Thanks for the responses
Wings,

Did you notice a difference when recapping them? Probably not a cheap overhaul either, I imagine. I have the optional eq/crossover that came with these, but I have always left it out because the sound seemed to degrade slightly. Also, I have an audio rack against the wall that I'm sure is not helping things, but it's what I have for now.
I should say...on a good recording, the speakers are invisible as is, the stage goes from past the extreme left of the speaker to past the extreme right of the other speaker. The bass is tight and a huge improvement over where I had them positioned to start with which was about 2 ft. from the back wall and 1.5 ft. from the sides. At that position, the bass was so boomy, my tube phono preamp was picking it up at high volume. Part of the problem is that I'm experimenting with my listening position at the same time as speaker position.

In regards to upper bass, I noticed a big change when I got the Bryston preamp, and another large change going from an Adcom gfa-5500 to the edge nl-10. Something like James Taylor's Fire and Rain, the drum fills are right there like a trap set in front of you. I know these old monsters are far from the end all in speakers, especially these days, but for the price used, I haven't heard anything that compares.

In previous experiments with toe-in, I found that it narrowed the effective listening width in my situation, but that was in a different room too, so I will give it a shot just to see...
They are actually Watkins Engineering 12" dual drive woofers. It is a dual voice coil woofer with one 4-ohm coil and one 2-ohm coil which play at different frequencies. I replaced the originals with exact replacements from Watkins Engineering themselves. I have never come close to clipping the edge, as it will deliver 900 watts continuous into 2 ohms and I have no idea about the transient power ability but I'm not interested in biamping. The system is already more than loud enough. Besides, $15k for another comparable amp is way outta my budget.

Both sets of upper grills were pretty much hammered when I bought the speakers, so a rebuild project is in order sometime in the future.

Also there are two emits and two emims per speaker plus the one twelve.

And I do have a copy of the owner's manual, but thank you.
I asked about the emits because I wondered how the new mids would integrate with the old tweets but I'm sure you would not give such a glowing review if it didn't sound wonderful.

Still a grand that I don't really have at the moment, and while I do love them, between the thousand to upgrade the mids and the price I could get for them right now used, I will have to think on that one for a while.

Do the new diaphrams simply "bolt in" or is there assembly or modification required? I remember reading the thread about the new drivers some time back, but don't remember all the details, and apparently the topic was banned for some reason?
thank you for the response susieschaeffer. I'm a little under the weather at the moment for moving the behemoths but I will give that a try soon. I have moved them a few times since my last post and I'm guessing I have them pretty close to what you have mentioned. This room is a converted 1-car garage that someone built a floor about two feet up from where the actual concrete slab is. Lots of vibrations pass through the floor itself and even though the sota turntable is suspended and sitting on a sixty pound fireplace for a stand with two layers of oak bookshelves with vibration cones between, any large movement within a few feet of the table will cause it to skip. So, I know the room is a huge part of the problem in this situation. Besides, I'm a poor engineering student at the moment, so equipment upgrades are out for now :)